South China Sea Forum

[NiceGuy]

Four new 2,100ton patrolling ships ... 2,100ton ... when Vietnam begin to build this type of ship ???

I don't know the detail numbers of China Coast Guard ships, there'r hundreds.

Pls let me using the PLAN 056 class corvette as a example:
China 1,300~1,400ton 056 corvette, 1st 056 built in 2012.05.23 in ShangHai, now China had built 18x 056 corvettes (13x 056 served in PLAN and 6x in shipyard). From 2012.05 to 2014.07, China built 18x 056 corvettes.

Many years ago S.Korea is the N.o1 world ship building nation,China behind. Recent years China replace S.Korea is the N.o1 and export 40% ships to the world. (just google)

4x 2,100ton ships r the most advanced ship which Vietnam can build now, but 4x little boats for China shipbuilding industry, they'r nothing.

SCS(east sea) is a small sea, small and medium ship r fit with it. Big ship is easy to become big target of anti-ship missile.

 

[cnleio]

@cnleio: we do not have so many enemies as China has ...

China's enemies more than Vietnam, but China's friends much more than urs in Europe/ America/ Africa/ Asia.
China get more powers than Vietnam on the world stage. If u did business, "the power & beneift come from the threat."

SCS(east sea) is a small sea, small and medium ship r fit with it. Big ship is easy to become big target of anti-ship missile.

U mean American Aircraft Carrier Strike Fleet ?

 

[NiceGuy]

U mean American Aircraft Carrier Strike Fleet ?

Any kind of big warship including China big warship will become easy targets for anti-ship missile in SCS(east sea) coz SCS(east sea) is quite small.

 

[BoQ77]

but China's friends much more than urs in Europe/ America/ Africa/ Asia.

Your 18x 1,400 ton has anywhere to operate far away from home?
I can't find any friend of you all around ...

Btw, we are interested in some advanced ship of China and don't forget India INS and Japan, South Korea DDG, because we could get something from the cooperation with those countries, not China.

India is the most suitable supplier to Vietnam Navy. Their Kolkata class and Shivalik are state of art design. They are joining us in oil exploration in SCS and their warships could call for our naval ports.

Any kind of big warship including China big warship will become easy targets for anti-ship missile in SCS(east sea) coz SCS(east sea) is quite small.

As defending side, we never focus on building big warship ... but under 3,000 ton as max.
Antiship coastal missile and submarine, air dominate ... warship operate under protection range of coastal defense system are what we build for.

We expect, P3C Orion, more submarine including large quantity of domestic mini-sub in group, and LRASM and Yakhont / Brahmos missile too.

Hello !!!

 

[cnleio]

Your 18x 1,400 ton has anywhere to operate far away from home?
I can't find any friend of you all around ...

Btw, we are interested in some advanced ship of China and don't forget India INS and Japan, South Korea DDG, because we could get something from the cooperation with those countries, not China.

India is the most suitable supplier to Vietnam Navy. Their Kolkata class and Shivalik are state of art.

First u should think around whether above nations like Japan, India, America like to go to War with China ? Or make friends with ours and doing trade & business in China market ? About S.Korea it always be a Chinese friend when face to Japan due to history & disputed island problem, Korean need China supports.

HAHA, Vietnam is not as powerful as u thought. Whether become enemies or friends in this century, it depned on economy relationship for each nation. China do much better than Vietnam, so we have more friends than urs.

Any kind of big warship including China big warship will become easy targets for anti-ship missile in SCS(east sea) coz SCS(east sea) is quite small.

Pls google American SM-II/ SM-III missile, RIM-116 and M61A1 CIWS; Chinese HHQ-9/ HHQ-16 missile, HHQ-10 and type730 CIWS. AK-630 CIWS.

 

[BoQ77]

@cnleio : Do you think China want a war to anyone ?

Do you know all big neighbors of China always have several plans to counter-strike to China ?

 

[NiceGuy]

Pls google American SM-II/ SM-III missile, RIM-116 and M61A1 CIWS; Chinese HHQ-9/ HHQ-16 missile, HHQ-10 and type730 CIWS. AK-630 CIWS.

No idea abt US missile, but everyone know China missile is just a cheap copy from Russia one

 

[cnleio]

@cnleio : Do you think China want a war to anyone ?

Do you know all big neighbors of China always have several plans to counter-strike to China ?

I believe anyone who shoot first bullet to China, China will fight back.

But there's a very important rule, China only fight for the victory. If there's the strongest rival shoot China like 1999 U.S bomb China embassy, China will choose to avoid it others China can fight back immediately. China will wait for weakest time of the strongest rival, Chinese can wait decades for the victory.

No idea abt US missile, but everyone know China missile is just a cheap copy from Russia one

Good idea for Vietnamese.

 

[BoQ77]

I believe anyone who shoot first bullet to China, China will fight back.

But there's a very important rule, China only fight for the victory. If there's the strongest rival shoot China like 1999 U.S bomb China embassy, China will choose to avoid it others China can fight back immediately. China will wait for weakest time of the strongest rival, Chinese can wait decades for the victory.

Good idea for Vietnamese.

Yes China waited for change in your own political system to cancel previous treaty as Treaties to Japan to give them Taiwan , Senkaku ... for free of Qing dynasty. estimate over 1 century.

You are discrepancy : self defense and offending ...

 

[cnleio]

@BoQ77 Just watching China defence threads, end of 2014 or early 2015 China 2nd A.C and 055 DDGs will out. China shipbuilding industry r building many advanced ships.

 

[BoQ77]

Are they all for defensive purpose ?
Keen to see 2nd AC of yours ... but I'm sorrow that cnleio always forget what we predicted and wait for true or not.

Let answer me : Am I true, last month to predict China would withdraw the oil rig and all escorts earlier than deadline ?
you could say that you forget it ... but you would make me sad ... in person.

 

[cnleio]

Yes China waited for change in your own political system to cancel previous treaty as Treaties to Japan to give them Taiwan , Senkaku ... for free of Qing dynasty. estimate over 1 century.

You are discrepancy : self defense and offending ...

At least Chinese not as fool as urs to drive wood boats to challenge World N.o1 ship building nation. 4x 2,100ton ships can not change anything.

Are they all for defensive purpose ?
Keen to see 2nd AC of yours ... but I'm sorrow that cnleio always forget what we predicted and wait for true or not.

Let answer me : Am I true, last month to predict China would withdraw the oil rig and all escorts earlier than deadline ?
you could say that you forget it ... but you would make me sad ... in person.

What's the answer ? I didn't deny the 981 oil rig move to other place, isn't it ?
Relax, they will come back. It's just the beginning.

 

[BoQ77]

At least Chinese not as fool as urs to drive wood boats to challenge World N.o1 ship building nation. 4x 2,100ton ships can not change anything.


What's the answer ? I didn't deny the 981 oil rig move to other place, isn't it ?
Relax, they will come back.

If you said no oil, so what's the reason for it to come back ?

In 29 June
BoQ77 said: ↑
We have a proverb "Hit the soft, avoid the hard"
China always act as that proverb.

Next month, we would know how China goes downstair.

cnleio said: ↑
I hear rumors said Vietnam military force will plan to attack CHINA COAST GUARD boats near H981 rig coz China boats much more than VN's and stronger, is that u mean China goes downstair in next month ?

BoQ77 said : ↑
I means at that time, China leaders could measure the pro/con of the policy they follow.

Why is China trying to bully its neighbors? | Page 11
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And in 15 July
AP said :
China moves oil rig out of waters Vietnam claims

 

[cnleio]

If you said no oil, so what's the reason for it to come back ?

In 28 June
BoQ77 said: ↑
We have a proverb "Hit the soft, avoid the hard"
China always act as that proverb.

Next month, we would know how China goes downstair.

cnleio said: ↑
I hear rumors said Vietnam military force will plan to attack CHINA COAST GUARD boats near H981 rig coz China boats much more than VN's and stronger, is that u mean China goes downstair in next month ?

BoQ77 said : ↑
I means at that time, China leaders could measure the pro/con of the policy they follow.

Why is China trying to bully its neighbors? | Page 11
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And in 15 July
AP said :
China moves oil rig out of waters Vietnam claims

Well i see, u mean ur Vietnam beat China again ??? LOL, what China lost in this game, or Vietnam's economy ?

The 海洋981 oil rig is a floating boat indeed, it can sail to other waterarea then can return. Next time when China oil rigs back again, how Vietnam to face them ? Hold riots again ?

I believe China oil rig will back, it will play like the time of 1980s Sino-Vietnam border conflicts. A China oil rig can make troubles to Vietnam society, it's cheap & effective.

 

[NiceGuy]

If you said no oil, so what's the reason for it to come back ?

They can come back, but we know how to kick them out already

Just like guerrilla warfare, our small forces keep harassing them day and night . Keep them to stay alert 24/24 hours, give them no chance to sleep, gain more support from our friends around the world etc then that loser will have to withdraw again

Well i see, u mean ur Vietnam beat China again ??? LOL, what China lost in this game, or Vietnam's economy ?

The 海洋981 oil rig is a floating boat indeed, it can sail to other waterarea then can return. Next time when China oil rigs back again, how ur Vietnam to face them ? Hold riots again ?

I believe China oil rig will back, it will play like the time of 1980s Sino-Vietnam border conflicts.

Then u should volunteer to work on that oil rig, I bet that u will pee on ur pant soon coz u dont know when our frog men suddenly come and break ur neck