South China Sea Forum

[atatwolf]

In the other thread about Turkey-china, even when the chinese were insulting Islam and your Prophet, the pakistanis sided with china. If they put china over their own religion, that is true friendship. In fact, they even sided with china over Turkey.

It is sad but the truth but not all Pakistani are like this.

I wonder Pakistan government position on this is?

I hope Pakistani government sees that China is enemy of human freedom, islam and enemy of this earth.

 

[Viet]

Explain me how 18th century primitivism, isolation and stupid nationalism helps your cause?

it is clear.

the Chinese suffered under the guns of western powers in the past.
now they want to copy them.

 

[Rechoice]

depending on who have the bigger gun and can impose their strength on others

Its mentality of Chinese today. USA is stronger than China, so they could destroy China in to samall pierces for peace of region. so china could stop say USA interfere in to internal affair of China.

Idiot China could bully Vietnam, but to facing with USA you can not. I said; China is crying and crying now when USA stated clearly to protect Japan against China.

40 year is not ancient time. we never give up our sovereignty over our Islands.

 

[xunzi]

Well explain me how this "bilateral negotiation" would look like and how a compromise could look like between china- japan-vietnam and so on.

And no, Japan is not our "puppet ally". I see Japan as a friend. And i would be happy if China see us as friends too.

You should ask the Vietnamese/Japanese this question than to us. A bilateral settlement in our definition is to do joint-exploration on the resources and leave the sovereignty at a later day or time. The Vietnamese wants multilateral basis. It is unacceptable for us to bring 3rd party in our own dispute with relevant country.

 

[atatwolf]

You should ask the Vietnamese/Japanese this question than to us. A bilateral settlement in our definition is to do joint-exploration on the resources and leave the sovereignty at a later day or time. The Vietnamese wants multilateral basis. It is unacceptable for us to bring 3rd party in our own dispute with relevant country.

Vietnam needs third party for security. Try to have some empathy. Imagine you are small country, and your big neigbhor wants to gobble your resources up. What are you going to do? You are going to your big brother so when you break the rules, the brother can come and learn you a lesson and make you regret you ever made that move.

 

[xunzi]

Its mentality of Chinese today. USA is stronger than China, so they could destroy China in to samall pierces for peace of region. so china could stop say USA interfere in to internal affair of China.

Idiot China could bully Vietnam, but to facing with USA you can not. I said; China is crying and crying now when USA stated clearly to protect Japan against China.

40 year is not ancient time. we never give up our sovereignty over our Islands.

The US can bully us because they are powerful. The difference between us and the USA is that we don't pretend to be righteous, fair, and objective in our international image. LOL

Vietnam needs third party for security. Try to have some empathy. Imagine you are small country, and your big neigbhor wants to gobble your resources up. What are you going to do? You are going to your big brother so when you break the rules, the brother can come and learn you a lesson and make you regret you ever made that move.

If you have two kids sitting at a dinner table, one big and one small, and there is one full cake, how should it be split? The skinny guy don't need to eat as much as the big guy because his appetite is not large enough.

 

[Rechoice]

The US can bully us because they are powerful. The difference between us and the USA is that we don't pretend to be righteous, fair, and objective in our international image. LOL

when you don't pretend to be righteous, fair, and objective in our international image, you are true Chinaman.

 

[Beast]

it is more closer of Vietnam main land , to technically it belong to Vietnam, 200 NM from china dose means it can end up on land of Vietnam, It divided equally.



If India start claiming as per china law India owns the 90% of Indian ocean from where Chinese ships passes. Andaman and laskshdeep.

The problem is Indian navy has not such capabilities to claim whole indian ocean.while PLAN has such capabilites. Just look at IN submarine fleet and see how pathetic is it.

 

[xunzi]

control 100% means no dispute ? nonsense ...
Paracels are disputed because China robbed it from Vietnam in 1974.

Do you apply the same argument when you snatch the Scarborough shoal from Phillipines ?

Japan robbed us our Diaoyu, who cry for us? NOBODY! This fucking world works like that.

taken with force is illegal.

China is liar. after 1954, China and North VN signed it. Islands belong to South Vietnam, it located in south of 17th parallel. north regime didn't have right about Island of South vietnam.

No evidence for that renounce or exchange. China stop lie.

If North regime don't have right to Paracel back then, why do they have now considering fait accompli? The south regime no longer exist. We won this through hard fought with South Regime!

 

[Viet]

You should ask the Vietnamese/Japanese this question than to us. A bilateral settlement in our definition is to do joint-exploration on the resources and leave the sovereignty at a later day or time. The Vietnamese wants multilateral basis. It is unacceptable for us to bring 3rd party in our own dispute with relevant country.

come on, we know you since more than 2,000 years.

don´t bullshit.

you come with 7 warships and 33 patrol boats without invitation into our water, damaged our civil vessels, injured the crew members and ask us to surrender. that is your understanding of:

"A bilateral settlement in our definition is to do joint-exploration on the resources and leave the sovereignty at a later day or time."

 

[Viet]

Vietnam needs third party for security. Try to have some empathy. Imagine you are small country, and your big neigbhor wants to gobble your resources up. What are you going to do? You are going to your big brother so when you break the rules, the brother can come and learn you a lesson and make you regret you ever made that move.

it is similar if Vietnam negotiates with Brunei.

Don´t expect the Chinese ever understand it. they live in their own world.

 

[xunzi]

come on, we know you since more than 2,000 years.

don´t bullshit.

you come with 7 warships and 33 patrol boats without invitation into our water, damaged our civil vessels, injured the crew members and ask us to surrender. that is your understanding of:

"A bilateral settlement in our definition is to do joint-exploration on the resources and leave the sovereignty at a later day or time."

This would not have happened if you did not confront us by sending your ship to harass us. We are simply self-defense.

 

[xunzi]

when you don't pretend to be righteous, fair, and objective in our international image, you are true Chinaman.

We keep it real just as our pragmatic policy have shown unlike the US who keep a two-face approach. LOL

 

[Rechoice]

Japan robbed us our Diaoyu, who cry for us? NOBODY! This fucking world works like that.


If North regime don't have right to Paracel back then, why do they have now considering fait accompli? The south regime no longer exist. We won this through hard fought with South Regime!

Chinese are liar, Atlas printed in China PRC stated that Senkaku is in Japan territory. forget it ? other than Lee Deng Hui president of Taiwan confirmed it.

China signed Geneva Accord 1954, Islands in south of 17 parallel belong to South Vietnam. But 1956 and 1974 China stolen Islands of South Vietnam with force.

You don't have evidence for what you say about North regime in Vietnam war. Stop lie. when we unified Vietnam, Islands belong South Vietnam is part of territory Vietnam after 1976 when we declared new state SR Vietnam.

If North regime don't have right to Paracel back then, why do they have now considering fait accompli? The south regime no longer exist. We won this through hard fought with South Regime!

When feudalism Dynasties in China is not existed, China stop telling about the fake historical evidences, which fabricated recently.

 

[Viet]

Tell us what we did wrong. Why can't we drill near our island, just 18 miles away?

how many times do I need to drill it into your head?

we never recognise your accupation of Paracels.

the government of Vietnam silently tolerates your administration of the islands, until a final solution has been worked out.
nothing else. neither drilling nor expanding your activities into our EEZ.

Get it?