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What you said could be true, but in this case it is not. There's a couple of things you are not seeing. What you assuming is what is happening today is what will happen tomorrow.

Being Asian, especially east Asian I thought you know enough of our culture to understand, but I could explain it to you.

China and Vietnam is currently in a deadlock over the seas, how we handle this issue is obviously going to be different than when the situation is resolved. Not even the crazy non flexible western mentality would deal with one situation the same in two different environments.

Let's look at the facts. During the Chinese civil war, Mao created a list of war criminals on the nationalists side. However, all who turned and joined the revolution on the side of the people were not only allowed to keep their positions but also promoted depending on merit. The Chinese vice premiership was even given to some one who slaughtered Communists during the purge by the nationalists early on, due to his contribution the country.

Despite all the "bad blood," China is still continue trading with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, sure there is some boycott here and there, that happens on all sides, but the official government stance has never been one of revenge.

Lastly, the ultimate goal for China isn't Asia, it is a leader position in the WORLD, having petty conflicts and not be generous is not the Chinese ruling class' mentality since Ancient times, there has always been the carrot and the stick.

During Zheng He's voyage in Ming dynasty, he took a few kings prisoner for slaughtering his men and trying to rob him, and for fighting with him. On his return, the YongLe emperor granted them pardon and officially gave them recognition as the divine rulers of respected countries and signed trade agreements with them, as well as bestowed gifts on them.

That's the Chinese mentality, I'm not telling Philippines and Vietnam to surrender, it won't come to that, as soon as the US is gone, a mutual defence agreement and exploration agreement is more likely, China could also pump major investments into respective countries.

Working with China historically has also been one of prestige and benefit, kings and princes would kill for the privilege of presenting themselves in front of the emperor. With our return to form, our usual policy of non-interference in internal politics, no strings attached deals are far more attractive than Western counter parts, who got it into their heads that they are superior and knows best. We are not superior, but we are more numerous.

Never mind in the expense of local industries, resources and major lose to the economy and imports of criminal activity i take my chances yes i have seen what china trades does to a country and that notion of western countries thinking that way was so cold war so try other party trick
 
Ngư dân trúng đậm 'lộc biển' đầu năm
Thứ tư, 5/2/2014 14:36 GMT+7

Từng đoàn tàu của ngư dân miền Trung nối đuôi nhau cập cảng với cá ngừ, cá nục hoa, cá cơm... đầy khoang, thu về cả trăm triệu đồng.
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Nhiều ngư dân Quảng Ngãi đánh bắt thủy sản ở Hoàng Sa, Trường Sa cũng đã trở về với cá, mực đầy khoang. Trung bình mỗi tàu đánh bắt được 7-10 tấn thủy sản, thu lãi hơn 100 triệu đồng.'

Ngư dân trúng đậm 'lộc biển' đầu năm - VnExpress


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Fishermen hit 'jacpot' in SCS(East sea) in new year (2014)

Ships r docked with fulled of tuna, anchovies etc about a hundred million VND.

Many fishermen in Quang Ngai fishing in the Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly )has returned with fish, squid full in the holds. Average catch per boat 7-10 tons of seafood, earning more than 100 million VND profit.
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No VN fishermen care abt China fishing ban in SCS(east sea), and China also dare not to do anything to stop our men . We should armed our fishermen with Real Gun, so they can head shoot those pirates :D:D
 
Working with China historically has also been one of prestige and benefit, kings and princes would kill for the privilege of presenting themselves in front of the emperor. With our return to form, our usual policy of non-interference in internal politics, no strings attached deals are far more attractive than Western counter parts, who got it into their heads that they are superior and knows best. We are not superior, but we are more numerous.
Bcz China supported Pol Pot to massacre VN , China also attacked VN surprisingly in 1979, killed a lot of VN kids, women, and never say sorry, so we prefer to shake hands with Japan -Russia to contain China and let China die in corruption - pollution. We dont see any friendly attitude from u , so dont talk nonsense.
 
Bcz China supported Pol Pot to massacre VN , China also attacked VN surprisingly in 1979, killed a lot of VN kids, women, and never say sorry, so we prefer to shake hands with Japan -Russia to contain China and let China die in corruption - pollution. We dont see any friendly attitude from u , so dont talk nonsense.

MONRE: environment sacrificed for economic development - News VietNamNet

Dr. Hoang Duong Tung, Deputy Director General of the Environment Directorate under the Ministry of Natural Resources and the Environment (MONRE), in an interview given to the local press, expressed his worry that local authorities have been sacrificing the environment for economic development.

He noted that the great efforts by the ministry and the community to protect the environment would be in vain if local authorities determine the local economic development as the top priority.

Vietnam has to pay a heavy price for the economic growth. A lot of areas have got seriously polluted. The forests have been destroyed. The biodiversity has been degrading. The river water has got polluted. The air in urban areas has got problematic. Meanwhile, big problems still exist in the solid waste treatment.

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily |
In Vietnam, unsustainable ‘modernization’ too much for sanitation services


Huynh Thanh Long said he and his neighbors close all their doors and windows whenever they are at home but that doesn’t keep the awful stink from the Ba Bo Canal out of the house.

“Pollution often forms a thick layer of foam on the surface of the flowing water,” said the resident of Ho Chi Minh City’s Thu Duc District.

According to the city’s anti-inundation center, pollution in the canal is a combination of wastewater from residential areas and industrial zones upstream.

Pollution in big cities is common in Vietnam, threatening public health and sustainable growth, experts say.

Vietweek recently reported serious pollution in Hanoi’s rivers, the result of untreated wastewater being discharged from series of new urban areas built without wastewater treatment facilities.

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily |
Real estate investors destroying Vietnam capital’s rivers


Nguyen Thi Loi, a resident of Hanoi’s Tu Liem District, said her local Nhue River is so polluted that residents have not been able use it to water their vegetable gardens for years. They say the stagnant black liquid kills plants.

“Fish and shrimp in the river used to be the main food for families living alongside the river, but they [fish and shrimp] no longer survive,” said Loi.

“Contact with the water causes itchy rashes and the [river's] stink makes you dizzy.”

The Nhue, a small river 76 kilometers long, is black for the 20 kilometers it flows through Hanoi. In some places it is covered in foam and too thick to even flow.

Many other rivers in the capital are also seriously polluted like the Nhue, a result of rapid urbanization without strict planning and the lax enforcement of wastewater treatment regulations in new residential areas.

Up the creek without a paddle

At the Nhue River, the pollution gets worse the further downstream you go.

People in Ha Dong District said heavy downpours reduce the stink, but only temporarily.

Things are horrific during the dry season at the turn of the year, they said.

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily |
The Besins Healthcare in Vietnam


A large number of lifestyle issues and current environmental changes such as unhealthy diet; increasing obesity rates; smoking; air pollution from transport, industrial gas, water pollution; foods containing toxins, or stress in modern life, etc. are big factors affecting fertility of couples, leading to serious consequences as miscarriage, preterm birth, or even infertility .

According to the latest epidemiological studies carried out by the Ministry of Health, 7.7% of couples are infertile in Vietnam. Thus there are over 1 million of infertile couples who should be examined and treated. Preterm birth and miscarriage are also two of the leading causes of perinatal mortality in children worldwide and in Vietnam. (Source: Nearly 8% of couples are infertile in Vietnam. Dan Tri Newspaper, 5 April, 2013)

Social Headlines January 16 - News VietNamNet

Illegal miners from other provinces flocked to the jungles to dig for gold, creating headaches for local authorities concerning security and environment pollution, according to Hoa.
 
US economy is double than Chinese economy. So unless Chinese GDP grows 2 time, there is not any narrowing of GAP. If Chinese GDP grows more than 2 times of that of US, the gap will narrow. If US grows at 3 %, China need to grow above 6 % to narrow the GAP.

Rather than worrying about the pace of growth for China,you should be more concerned about the fact that,5 years after the financial crisis in 2008,India's GDP,at a puny 1.7 trillion USD for FY 2013-2014,is back where it started。
 
Rather than worrying about the pace of growth for China,you should be more concerned about the fact that,5 years after the financial crisis in 2008,India's GDP,at a puny 1.7 trillion USD for FY 2013-2014,is back where it started。


Do not expose your brilliance once again on forum. The thread is about china. Some Chinese members were talking about surpassing US economy. I simply show them a mathematical calculation saying that china should progress at double the rate of US to narrow the Gap. If you can not accept such a simple plain fact, why are you here on the forum?
 
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You should take CNY inflation factor into calculation.


You take and put up your calculation.

go calculate India GDP from one year to the next and see if the difference is the growth. There's tons of factors that goes into it.


Rather than talkig like a big Economist, put some thoese tons of Factor for the knowledge of forum member.
 
Friday February 14,2014

US Admiral stresses importance of mutual defence treaty with the Philippines in powerful message of support for Manila over any future conflict over South China Sea
US Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert. Photo: AFP

The United States will “help” the Philippines in the event that China occupies disputed islands in the South China Sea, the US Chief of Naval Operations said on Thursday.

Admiral Jonathan Greenert also stressed that the US would honour its mutual defence treaty with the Philippines amid a seething territorial conflict with China over the resource-rich waters.

“Of course we would help you. I don’t know what that help would be, specifically. I mean we have an obligation because we have a treaty,” he told students at a state defence college during a visit to Manila.

His remarks – one of the strongest US declarations of support for the Philippines – come as concerns rise that China will attempt to forcefully assert its claim to almost all of the South China Sea.

“We have an obligation because we have a treaty.”
ADMIRAL JONATHAN GREENERT

China’s claim conflicts with that of the Philippines, which has a 1951 treaty with the United States that officials say bind the two partners to defend each other in case of external attack.

The United States has not taken a stand on the conflicting territorial claims over the South China Sea, which also involve Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam.

But Admiral Greenert said that he wanted to send a “clear signal ... that aggressive behaviour outside of international norms is contrary to good order.”

“You may have seen some statements coming from our policy makers exactly in that direction. You will see more of that from us,” he added.


He also said that the US Navy would increase its presence in the Western Pacific region from the present level of about 50 ships to 60 ships by 2020.

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In December, during a visit to the Philippines, US Secretary of State John Kerry warned China against any move to declare an air defence zone in the South China Sea, a declaration that was seen as an affirmation of the defence ties between Manila and Washington.

Greenert also praised the Philippines’ move to ask a UN tribunal to strike down China’s claims to most of the South China Sea, saying it was “a terrific idea”.

He urged the Philippines “to stay the course and bring this to fruition,” even though China has refused to participate in the process.

US would ‘help’ Philippines in South China Sea: Navy chief | South China Morning Post
 
Its time for China (may be with the help of Pakistan) to attack the US to show who is the boss:lol:
 
I dont know. But you cant ignore it either. What do you think should be your next step?

China is not the provocateur, but if Pinoy wants to act like the troublemaker, then China will put it back to its rightful place.

What USA gonna do? Start a war with China for that worthless banana republic?
 
What was the admiral supposed to say to these pinoy students? "No, we're not going to help you because we are not risking a full scale war with China for cheap whores and bananas. You guys are not worth the drive to Acton." That is what he wanted to say.
 
China is not the provocateur, but if Pinoy wants to act like the troublemaker, then China will put it back to its rightful place.

What USA gonna do? Start a war with China for that worthless banana republic?
They have a deal to defend each other in case of an attack.

I am not saying that China will attack Philippines, but if they (Philippines) enter that "zone" which you call it Chinese territory, is where you would have to act. That would, unfortunately, be considered as provocation.

This is going to be interesting.
 
They have a deal to defend each other in case of an attack.

I am not saying that China will attack Philippines, but if they (Philippines) enter that "zone" which you call it Chinese territory, is where you would have to act. That would, unfortunately, be considered as provocation.

This is going to be interesting.

Those defense treaty on paper means nothing when USA thinks this nation is not worthy and totally expendable.

You have to know even those American politicians and military officials don't even have a common agreement when it comes to China.

U.S. General Tells Japan, Philippines to Cool China Rhetoric - Bloomberg
 
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