South China Sea Arbitration News & Discussion

[Irfan Baloch]

China will not leave the SCS area anytime soon, such ruling is meaningless.

rules change in these international organisations according to sweet wills. countries are attacked on flimsy claims. face embargoes and some favourite ones are allowed to swallow land and disregard names sake resolutions and then this one

China can follow the Indian and Israeli lead and tell the tribunal where to go

This will change absolutely nothing. China has already stated they reject and will not recognize this. International law only works for countries who have both the might and willingness to enforce it, and then only against countries who do not have the might and/or willingness to fight back. It's the same way USA rejected ICJ ruling in the Nicaragua case.

There are essentially two methods of enforcement that can be attempted: Military intervention and economic sanctions.

Military intervention is a non-starter. No country on earth is going to risk what would quickly and easily escalate into World War 3 over the South China sea. It's just not going to happen.

This leaves economic sanctions, and no country worth a damn is going to attempt to enforce economic sanctions on China, which would be detrimental to their own economy and would run the risk of China retaliating economically in return. Simply put, most countries outside of maybe the US would end up doing more harm to their own economies in the long run than they would do to China's. Any economic sanctions are virtually guaranteed never to be actually enforced.

So what's going to happen? Countries like the Philippines will make a whole bunch of noise. The international community will engage in a whole bunch of sabre rattling, toothless resolutions, condemnations, and "sternly worded letters". China will reply by telling them to mind their own business and stay out of "China's affairs", just like they always do. Then everybody will shrug and just move on with life.

International law doesn't really apply to countries like the US and China because they are way too strong militarily, and cornerstones of the global economy, making it impossible to fight economically. I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying that this is the reality of the world we live in. For better or worse, some countries really are "above the law".

summed it up well

 

[Zero_wing]

Oh you guys are making more seen now then ever it just make you people look guilty and bitter

 

[yolo2016]

If Pakistan backs China in stating old maps equals rights of territory, then it says to those Indians who claim Pakistan should be back into India's fold- that they are correct.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...nity-pakistan-bangladesh-151224100753698.html

 

[jha]

China has 14 border sharing neighbors. India is the only country which China has land disputes with. It is India that has disputes with almost every neighbor. as for sea neighbor, Japan is the country who has island disputes with every single neighbor, China, Russia, N.Korea, S.Korea and Taiwan.

Not interested in rhetoric sir. Please carry on your debate with other people. Thank You.

 

[Zero_wing]

This will change absolutely nothing. China has already stated they reject and will not recognize this. International law only works for countries who have both the might and willingness to enforce it, and then only against countries who do not have the might and/or willingness to fight back. It's the same way USA rejected ICJ ruling in the Nicaragua case.

There are essentially two methods of enforcement that can be attempted: Military intervention and economic sanctions.

Military intervention is a non-starter. No country on earth is going to risk what would quickly and easily escalate into World War 3 over the South China sea. It's just not going to happen.

This leaves economic sanctions, and no country worth a damn is going to attempt to enforce economic sanctions on China, which would be detrimental to their own economy and would run the risk of China retaliating economically in return. Simply put, most countries outside of maybe the US would end up doing more harm to their own economies in the long run than they would do to China's. Any economic sanctions are virtually guaranteed never to be actually enforced.

So what's going to happen? Countries like the Philippines will make a whole bunch of noise. The international community will engage in a whole bunch of sabre rattling, toothless resolutions, condemnations, and "sternly worded letters". China will reply by telling them to mind their own business and stay out of "China's affairs", just like they always do. Then everybody will shrug and just move on with life.

International law doesn't really apply to countries like the US and China because they are way too strong militarily, and cornerstones of the global economy, making it impossible to fight economically. I'm not saying this is right, I'm just saying that this is the reality of the world we live in. For better or worse, some countries really are "above the law".

Funny that what they said about the civil rights movement

Not interested in rhetoric sir. Please carry on your debate with other people. Thank You.

Bitter as bitter as they can get

 

[beijingwalker]

Oh you guys are making more seen now then ever it just make you people look guilty and bitter

Just as what US is doing around the world every single day? Sorry, all big powers in the human history stepped on someone feet sometimes.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka...

I hope China does not accept this verdict.

 

[Providence]

China also has the backing of another power, must I mention the name? It might hurt your feelings. You see, that power also needs China's backing more than ever. It's a question of give and take.

Russia ? LOL

Sorry to break your dream. Russia has actually used clauses of UNCLOS to set up mining bases in Arctic Ocean

 

[William Hung]

No not at all. Just accepting the natural order. YOu will not accept unilateral imposed on you wil ya ? You are inida not iraq or libya for that matter ( no offence to those countries) the only fact that you guys can sustain is because you're strong. Same logic goes with China

Saying “unilateral imposed on you”, are you refering to the ruling made by the Tribunal?

If that is what you are referring to then its not truly unilateral because China had agreed to the UNCLOS with clause that says if there is a certain dispute, then a Tribunal can be set up to issue a legally binding ruling, even if one party does not participate. China claims that the Tribunal does not have jurisdiction over the case, but the UNCLOS also have a clause that say if any party don’t agree that the Tribunal has jurisdiction, then its still the Tribunal that gets the final say in having jurisdiction. Yep, thats what China had agreed to when it ratified UNCLOS.

So its not something unilaterally imposed on China, its actually something that China had previously agreed to when it ratified UNCLOS.

 

[Zero_wing]

Just as what US is doing around the world every single day? Sorry, all big powers in the human history stepped on someone feet sometimes.

First your regional power not world power well not yet second you're not the US you ust another cheap sweatshop factory that is about to go down and lasty your screwed this well have long term effect for china so give it up your drone reasoning will not change peoples mind and china made a lot of enemies and they capitalized on this so please you're screwed

 

[SamantK]

So China is nothing more than expected, a two faced country selectively applying moral principles.

It should tone down on the principles part and say it out in the open - It doesn't care for principals.

 

[jha]

Funny that what they said about the civil rights movement



Bitter as bitter as they can get

Am not one to generalize but people from this particular country can get real boastful at times. Impossible to discuss anything with them.

 

[kankan326]

There should not be any international court that could judge territory ownership. The reasonable role of International court should be a mediator rather than a judge. Which will create problems and flare conflicts between countries. This derails the real purpose and spirit of UN.

 

[Zero_wing]

Saying “unilateral imposed on you”, are you refering to the ruling made by the Tribunal?

If that is what you are referring to then its not truly unilateral because China had agreed to the UNCLOS with clause that says if there is a certain dispute, then a Tribunal can be set up to issue a legally binding ruling, even if one party does not participate. China claims that the Tribunal does not have jurisdiction over the case, but the UNCLOS also have a clause that say if any party don’t agree that the Tribunal has jurisdiction, then its still the Tribunal that gets the final say in having jurisdiction. Yep, thats what China had agreed to when it ratified UNCLOS.

So its not something unilaterally imposed on China, its actually something that China had previously agreed to when it ratified UNCLOS.

Otherwise known is your screwed china

 

[Kinetic]

Historic right!