Somalia,Pakistan, Iraq Top 3 in World Terrorism Risk Index

[CaptainJackSparrow]

i like to differ from it, Maoist r also promoting themselves to the order of Terrorist's,remember the train bombing,i canot term that as a counter insurgency movement,that was sheer terrorism

Terrorism: What Maoists do

COIN: What security forces do

Terrorism: What Kashmiri militants do

COIN: What security forces do

Terrorism: what taliban do

COIN: what US does.

 

[SMC]

Terrorism is mostly limited to NWFP and in particular to FATA in Pakistan. Bomb blasts in the bigger cities, or for that matter the vast majority of the country arent that common. In Iraq on the other hand, bomb blasts only pretty much only happen in the bigger cities. Though I can't expect those who are making these lists to know the difference, given what western media feeds them.

 

[SMC]

The index uses data from June 2009 to June 2010 to assess the frequency of terrorist incidents and the intensity of attacks, which includes the number of victims per attack and the chances of mass casualties occurring.

This is exactly the problem. Terrorist attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq seem to happening pretty uniformly across the country. In Pakistan, they are, on the vast majority of occasions, limited to KP and FATA.

What more to notice is that FATA only has about 1% of the whole countries population living there while KP has maybe 12% of population living there. The big provinces of Punjab and Sindh, which probably have 80% of whole population living there, are far safer.

So when they put Pakistan at number 2, they aren't really being accurate. Sure, FATA overall may be more dangerous than Iraq or Afghanistan, but is Pakistan overall more dangerous than Iraq or Afghanistan? The answer is a resounding no.

 

[SMC]

Bomb blasts in Pakistan 2010

Listen man, this list includes every single random incident that has happened. You can see a lot of 'bomb blasts' where no one died or got killed. Those 'bomb blasts' seem to be making up like 20-30% of the list. Then you have a ton of attacks where only 1 or 2 people got injured or got killed.

Areesh posted a link that doesn't make look India too pretty either. You have 577 people killed by Maoist violence whereas 1352 killed by TTP/BLA/LeJ/whatever else violence in Pakistan. I am not counting civilians killed due to non-maoist terrorism in India, which may bring that figure to 600-650. Additionally, the numbers about Pakistan include police killed in the terrorist attacks while the 600-650 figure of India only looks at civilians. Including policemen brings the number to around 800-850. Yes, it's about 1.6x higher in Pakistan compared to India, but considering how Indians and media portray Pakistan, you'd think its about 1000x higher.

However, despite that, India doesn't seem to be in the news for terrorism as much either. The same can apply to Pakistan. When you start picking every single random incident, a large number of which are insigificant, then you're making things look much worse than they are. We can do the same for India. I am sure there are probably lots of attacks in India where maybe no one gets killed or injured or only 1 or 2 people. Those tend to get brushed aside.


The point to drive home is listed in my two posts above. And that point - about bomb blasts being concentrated in one area - is well reflected in this list.

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistan (2),
Iraq (3),
Afghanistan (4),

Not agree with report...

I feel Pakistan is much more safer place than Iraq and Afghanistan .
In Afghanistan and Iraq each and every place is vulnerable to attack.
They have attacks in their respective capital all the time and attacks on their prominent political figures.
In Pakistan except few exceptions like Bombing in Karachi and Lahore .. most of terrorist activities are in FATA and it is limited to that.

Agree with @AMCA that both countries should deal with these F****** B****** at any cost. Even at cost of strategic depth and superiority.

In India still internal agencies are in better shape and after bomb blast in Mumbai trains and attack on 11/26 things changed in more positive direction.
Because of people's anger home minister of India and Maharashtra step down from position and all politicians got good lesson.
Keep your citizens safe or get lost.

Even in Pakistan I feel Interior Ministers should step down after any big attack in side country and they should take moral responsibilities of attacks.

Oh come on dont act as if you dont know, Pakistani ******* Polititions are curse to us, they only knows how to save their chairs, people are saved or not they dont care.

And yes I think Pakistan is much safer from Iraq Afghanistan or Somalia.

 

[fast and furious]

Listen man, this list includes every single random incident that has happened. You can see a lot of 'bomb blasts' where no one died or got killed. Those 'bomb blasts' seem to be making up like 20-30% of the list. Then you have a ton of attacks where only 1 or 2 people got injured or got killed.

Areesh posted a link that doesn't make look India too pretty either. You have 577 people killed by Maoist violence whereas 1352 killed by TTP/BLA/LeJ/whatever else violence in Pakistan. I am not counting civilians killed due to non-maoist terrorism in India, which may bring that figure to 600-650. Additionally, the numbers about Pakistan include police killed in the terrorist attacks while the 600-650 figure of India only looks at civilians. Including policemen brings the number to around 800-850. Yes, it's about 1.6x higher in Pakistan compared to India, but considering how Indians and media portray Pakistan, you'd think its about 1000x higher.However, despite that, India doesn't seem to be in the news for terrorism as much either. The same can apply to Pakistan. When you start picking every single random incident, a large number of which are insigificant, then you're making things look much worse than they are. We can do the same for India. I am sure there are probably lots of attacks in India where maybe no one gets killed or injured or only 1 or 2 people. Those tend to get brushed aside.


The point to drive home is listed in my two posts above. And that point - about bomb blasts being concentrated in one area - is well reflected in this list.

Ever considered the size and population difference. you just compared the killings in absolute terms where still Pakistans toll is higher.
Who said India is as safe as USA.We are at rank 15 which is an improvement from last year.Thats all we care for.

You have reached rank 2 worse than two countries where there is a war situation against foriegn occupation.But you will rather compare yourself with India,blame the western,India media then do some introspection.

 

[SMC]

Ever considered the size and population difference. you just compared the killings in absolute terms where still Pakistans toll is higher.

That doesn't work in these cases. We're talking about number of people killed and frequency of terrorist attacks.

I mean if you wanna go down this road, then Iraq and Afghanistan have significantly lower populations than Pakistan. What you're saying doesn't work for terrorist attacks - i.e. the frequency of terrorist attacks and number of people killed.

You have reached rank 2 worse than two countries where there is a war situation against foriegn occupation.But you will rather compare yourself with India,blame the western,India media then do some introspection.

But the rank is what we're questioning. Just because some list ranks us that way, doesn't automatically make it right. Sometimes there seems be a complete lack of skepticism from many bharatis when discussing anti-Pakistan news. Just because it is listed, it must be true. No degree of questioning the list - that the list makes sense and is consistent with the ground reality. No, I am not saying that you should outright reject the list, but at least have some degree of skepticism - which is something every reasonable person should have. The funny thing is, westerners tend to take these kinds of lists that are released every now and then with a grain of salt. That speaks a lot about their maturity compared to Indians such as yourself.

My comparison with India is in regard to BENNY's post and not for any other reason. Though I doubt you'll see that.

 

[fast and furious]

That doesn't work in these cases. We're talking about number of people killed and frequency of terrorist attacks.

I mean if you wanna go down this road, then Iraq and Afghanistan have significantly lower populations than Pakistan. What you're saying doesn't work for terrorist attacks - i.e. the frequency of terrorist attacks and number of people killed.


But the rank is what we're questioning. Just because some list ranks us that way, doesn't automatically make it right. Sometimes there seems be a complete lack of skepticism from many bharatis when discussing anti-Pakistan news. Just because it is listed, it must be true. No degree of questioning the list - that the list makes sense and is consistent with the ground reality. No, I am not saying that you should outright reject the list, but at least have some degree of skepticism - which is something every reasonable person should have. The funny thing is, westerners tend to take these kinds of lists that are released every now and then with a grain of salt. That speaks a lot about their maturity compared to Indians such as yourself.

My comparison with India is in regard to BENNY's post and not for any other reason. Though I doubt you'll see that.

No sir please go through the thread again no Indian I mean no Indian is trick or treating on your rank.
Some of them have even questioned the Rank of Pakistan above Iraq and afghanistan.

Benny is one of the sensible posters on this forum.He gave that link to support Durran's post.He even explained this
.
It was you sir who enetered the room with nightvision on and all guns blazing against India which was not required.

P.S. 2 rank or 15 doesnt really matter both our countries require a lot of work to be done for security.

 

[Vimana1]

This list must be updated every year that's why Russia has moved up since 2009.

 

[SMC]

No sir please go through the thread again no Indian I mean no Indian is trick or treating on your rank.
Some of them have even questioned the Rank of Pakistan above Iraq and afghanistan.

Benny is one of the sensible posters on this forum.He gave that link to support Durran's post.He even explained this
.
It was you sir who enetered the room with nightvision on and all guns blazing against India which was not required.

P.S. 2 rank or 15 doesnt really matter both our countries require a lot of work to be done for security.

Looks like my expectations turned out to be realistic. Let me say it once again. I brought up India in response to BENNY's post. Otherwise I couldn't care less about India as far as this topic is concerned.

 

[GentlemanObserver]