Soldiers don't hate soldiers.....

[doppelganger]

We didn't spontaneously land in a position where polio workers were being killed (btw, I'm pretty sure that's not fresh news). It took time and we got to it in small increments of time. As for the climb back to normalcy, sure it might seem like we're still pretty f-ed up and by all reasonable standards, we are. But consider the fact that just over half a decade ago, the Taliban were less than a 100km from the national rockets and Muslim Khan was boasting on TV about how he was soon going to be rolling into the capital with his men.

I do not deny that the signs are cautiously optimistic from your country.

But I'm merely (legitimately) questioning Joe's doomsday extrapolations to mine.

It's fashionable currently in India. From some quarters.

Does not mean other quarters are going to sit silently by the sidelines and swallow it.

P.S. I'm pretty sure the polio news is very recent.

 

[Icarus]

I do not deny that the signs are cautiously optimistic from your country.

But I'm merely (legitimately) questioning Joe's doomsday extrapolations to mine.

It's fashionable currently in India. From some quarters.

Does not mean other quarters are going to sit silently by the sidelines and swallow it.

P.S. I'm pretty sure the polio news is very recent.

Absolutely valid. I shall contest no further.

In other news. Doc, I find your avatar VERY distracting.

P.S. I'm pretty sure the polio news is very recent.

Ah, you mean the blast in January. It wasn't Polio Workers that were killed there, rather it was mostly security personnel and some parents as well as their children who had come to the clinic to get the drops.

“There are 15 dead, including 12 police, one paramilitary, and two civilians,” a local police official told AFP.

 

[Levina]

I will keep voicing my opinion because I don't want India to enter phase Pakistan went through in 70's and 80's.

Don't mind but I see a sort of stubbornness in proving somebody or something wrong to an extent that you've blinded yourself with it.

Threats like India will be the next Pakistan is funny to say the least.
India WILL never be Pakistan for our ideologies are very different. We can never be them!!!
5 years down the lane, things would have changed.
There's always a storm before a rainbow.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

This is from someone else's blog, somewhere else. It was so evocative, and rang so true, that I felt compelled to break my silence and bring this to your collective notice. Especially to the notice of those who have served.

I think it was in 2000 or maybe 2001 in Gurez Valley in North Eastern Kashmir. I was doing some research on the LoC. The Brigade HQ at Davar hosted me and I messed in with the Raj Rif unit that manned several posts on the front. In those days shelling was a regular affair and the whole area was pretty tense. It was hard being a soldier. Pakistani snipers often got the unlucky guy who stepped out of his bunker for a pee and in winter corpses had to be choppered out whenever a chopper could land. Until then the men lived with the corpse of the man who had recently been friend and compatriot.

One day I decided to walk over to a border village to interview civilians. The colonel insisted on sending a JCO with an AK47 as my guide and protector despite my protests. At first I resented his presence. It compromised my neutrality. But then as we began chatting, desultorily at first, I found myself drawn to a most extraordinary man. We sat down on some rocks in the bright sunshine, the blue Kishanganga flowing swiftly past us.

He was very proud of serving in the Rajputana Rifles. Yes, he missed home. Sometimes it was hard on the LoC, but it was better, more honest soldiering than being in the Valley. Why? There it's confusing. You sometimes end up killing people who are supposed to be Indian. And here, the Pakistanis, you said you lost some of your men...you must hate them? Hate? No, I don't hate them. They are sons of poor farmers like me. They are doing their duty, like me. No. I don't hate them.

Some soldiers don't hate soldiers. Others do. The latter are naturally more numerous today.

 

[I.R.A]

What's wrong with a good old fashioned whacking?

Good old fashioned? You are referring to schools right? Because I find good old fashioned people more mature and patient than new modern idiots.

I agree to it .............. As long as this is done to your own male kids inside your own home by their mother.

Have you never been whacked?

Have you never whacked someone?

This is something that does not suit a well behaved educated person......................... I agree there are situations where I feel this is the only solution but still later I thank God things did not boil down to whacking and smacking each other. And whacking somebody to prove you are more loyal and patriotic than him is a dumb thing for me.

Every man (I believe) needs a good proper solid whacking (preferably no-break bones and teeth) at least once in his life for him to actually grow up and realize he's no longer a kid and this the real world.

@Color_Less_Sky

Agree as long as this is done by teachers, mother and to some extent seniors during school age only. Once you are grown up its hard to change you no matter how much whacking and smacking is done.

On topic the idea of soldiers respecting each other is fine as long as they are ready to kill for and to defend their country.

 

[doppelganger]

Good old fashioned? You are referring to schools right? Because I find good old fashioned people more mature and patient than new modern idiots.

I agree to it .............. As long as this is done to your own male kids inside your own home by their mother.

This is something that does not suit a well behaved educated person......................... I agree there are situations where I feel this is the only solution but still later I thank God things did not boil down to whacking and smacking each other. And whacking somebody to prove you are more loyal and patriotic than him is a dumb thing for me.

Agree as long as this is done by teachers, mother and to some extent seniors during school age only. Once you are grown up its hard to change you no matter how much whacking and smacking is done.

On topic the idea of soldiers respecting each other is fine as long as they are ready to kill for and to defend their country.

Disappointing.

I am not referring to kiddy pappis by moms and teachers.

I am talking of a dhulai.

Proper.

 

[I.R.A]

Disappointing.

I am not referring to kiddy pappis by moms and teachers.

I am talking of a dhulai.

Proper.

Disappointing?

Dhulai on a national level or in a personal scuffle? On national level it does not matter except that I would be glad if such events happen every other day in Modi's India. On personal level well not everyone is fit to do dhulai and get one in return.

For your thoughts regarding Hinduism vs Islam ................. well there never was Hinduism vs Islam, if it had been that you won't be seeing today's India as it is. If your chaddi friends keep trying to make it happen then it would be stupid of them, the results would be very different from what they are used to witness. So better educate them to forget it and stop with their trials at making Ghazwa e Hind a reality, we live on all sides of you except one and amongst you so let us respect each other and live happily. You would agree that people of Afghanistan and Balochistan are majority followers of Islam.

 

[doppelganger]

Disappointing?

Dhulai on a national level or in a personal scuffle? On national level it does not matter except that I would be glad if such events happen every other day in Modi's India. On personal level well not everyone is fit to do dhulai and get one in return.

For your thoughts regarding Hinduism vs Islam ................. well there never was Hinduism vs Islam, if it had been that you won't be seeing today's India as it is. If your chaddi friends keep trying to make it happen then it would be stupid of them, the results would be very different from what they are used to witness. So better educate them to forget it and stop with their trials at making Ghazwa e Hind a reality, we live on all sides of you except one and amongst you so let us respect each other and live happily. You would agree that people of Afghanistan and Balochistan are majority followers of Islam.

Actually, we have 320+ million of you pretty much where we want them. You are not on three sides of us. Rather we are on three sides of you.

Muslims on the sub-continent will have to live with the burden of the Ummah of the failure to completely Islamize Hindustan when they had the upper hand.

That opportunity, now past, is never going to come again.

Effectively, Hindustan broke forever the eastward spread of militant Islam.

That is the reality that Pakistan will have to make peace with. And live with. For its own welfare.

Cheers.

You would agree that people of Afghanistan and Balochistan are majority followers of Islam.

As we both know, Islam is not really the great unifier your Quaid thought it would be.

Or made it out to be.

Does that answer your premise of who surrounds who?

I do note with a degree of vicarious pleasure though that you call out Balochistan separate along with Afghanistan.

Freudian slip Imran?

 

[I.R.A]

Actually, we have 320+ million of you pretty much where we want them. You are not on three sides of us. Rather we are on three sides of you.

Muslims on the sub-continent will have to live with the burden of the Ummah of the failure to completely Islamize Hindustan when they had the upper hand.

That opportunity, now past, is never going to come again.

Effectively, Hindustan broke forever the eastward spread of militant Islam.

That is the reality that Pakistan will have to make peace with. And live with. For its own welfare.

Cheers.

You are being overconfident here. You may wish to believe status quo prevails but who has seen the future? There is no burden of Ummah it is not something that can be forced upon you, instead you simply become part of it happily.

The credit of breaking India goes more to Hindus rather than Muslims, Gandhi's killer knew it did not he?

India needs to realise that everyone now living inside it is equally an Indian and nobody has the right to judge anyone except the state. Treat people equally my sincere advise for India's own welfare otherwise it may get broken further into number of smaller lands.

As we both know, Islam is not really the great unifier your Quaid thought it would be.

Or made it out to be.

Does that answer your premise of who surrounds who?

You sure because every year the whole world witnesses Indian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Afghan, Iranian Muslims alongwith many other from different regions in one place together, wearing same clothes, chanting same slogans, bowing together in one direction at one time in one manner. Black, white, wheatish, old, young you name it and you will find one there............... Can you deny that unity?

I do note with a degree of vicarious pleasure though that you call out Balochistan separate along with Afghanistan.

Freudian slip Imran?

That was intentional my friend, because you at one hand call it Islam vs Hinduism but on other you forget that Afghans and Baloch (you raise voice for) are equally as much Muslim as any Pakistani, they hold the same Islamic views as rest of Pakistanis by the way. It may be India vs Pakistan, Akhand Bharat dream but going beyond that ............ I don't think it benefits the agenda.

 

[doppelganger]

You are being overconfident here. You may wish to believe status quo prevails but who has seen the future? There is no burden of Ummah it is not something that can be forced upon you, instead you simply become part of it happily.

The burden I refer to is different. Its the reason Pakistanis try to be more Arab than the Arabs themselves. But they are fooling no one. Is it not true that in the Syrian conflict, the real Arabs have a very poor opinion of enthusiastic volunteers from the subcontinent as fighters. And give them pretty peripheral and menial roles. Cooks, couriers, etc.? One part of me actually feels bad for those of my soil to be treated thus, but then the cold water of reality pours over me and I wake up.

The credit of breaking India goes more to Hindus rather than Muslims, Gandhi's killer knew it did not he?

Regardless (and I do not fundamentally disagree with you in the entirety, just so you know). Who actually broke away? Not the Hindus. Not the Sikhs (though some tried a lot later). Not the Tamils (though some still harbor delusions). Not the Nagas. Not the Mizos.

Only one religion broke away. Same blood, same land no? Or is everyone is Pakistan of non-Indic blood?

India needs to realise that everyone now living inside it is equally an Indian and nobody has the right to judge anyone except the state. Treat people equally my sincere advise for India's own welfare otherwise it may get broken further into number of smaller lands.

Yet to date, of the two parts that got broken apart in Partition, only one part broke into two again. And it was not the one with different faiths living alongside. Evil Hindus to blame of course?

You sure because every year the whole world witnesses Indian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Afghan, Iranian Muslims alongwith many other from different regions in one place together, wearing same clothes, chanting same slogans, bowing together in one direction at one time in one manner. Black, white, wheatish, old, young you name it and you will find one there............... Can you deny that unity?

And on either side of those 10 days (or is it month) the world also witnesses another form of unity. Can you deny that?

That was intentional my friend, because you at one hand call it Islam vs Hinduism but on other you forget that Afghans and Baloch (you raise voice for) are equally as much Muslim as any Pakistani, they hold the same Islamic views as rest of Pakistanis by the way. It may be India vs Pakistan, Akhand Bharat dream but going beyond that ............ I don't think it benefits the agenda.

I have never doubted their Muslim-ness. Yet they have no love for you. And work with us. Against you. Why?

Not just them.

Look at the leader of the Shia world. Iran.

Look at the leader of the Sunni world. The Saudis.

Are either of them going to go to war with us for you? Ever?

Wake up my friend. Your ultimate destiny lies on this land. Among your brothers. Your blood brothers.

 

[I.R.A]

The burden I refer to is different. Its the reason Pakistanis try to be more Arab than the Arabs themselves. But they are fooling no one. Is it not true that in the Syrian conflict, the real Arabs have a very poor opinion of enthusiastic volunteers from the subcontinent as fighters. And give them pretty peripheral and menial roles. Cooks, couriers, etc.? One part of me actually feels bad for those of my soil to be treated thus, but then the cold water of reality pours over me and I wake up.

Arabs =/ Islam. I would be an idiot if I would try to be someone else when I cannot be them. Muslims follow Islam not Arabs or Iranians. This confusion of mixing Islam with personal preferences is confusion and misunderstanding a Non Muslim carries.

That menial work was assigned to Indian by the way or is there another story?

Regardless (and I do not fundamentally disagree with you in the entirety, just so you know). Who actually broke away? Not the Hindus. Not the Sikhs (though some tried a lot later). Not the Tamils (though some still harbor delusions). Not the Nagas. Not the Mizos.

Only one religion broke away. Same blood, same land no? Or is everyone is Pakistan of non-Indic blood?

How much India is sure of its unity today? And for how long? They did not break away but are they trusted and treated like others? And it was not the basically the religion but the region that broke away, mainly because they felt they won't be trusted and treated equally.

Yet to date, of the two parts that got broken apart in Partition, only one part broke into two again. And it was not the one with different faiths living alongside. Evil Hindus to blame of course?

Again mainly because of two different separate regions and religion had no role whatsoever in it, it was a political failure plus India being in between those two regions.

And for Goodness sake come on you know it Islam does not preach to hate Hindus, this thing is more to do with hatred and emotions of people of subcontinent. I quoted this somewhere today on this forum and I will quote it again for your information, the messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him) once told one of his dear ones "Let me tell you the greatest of all the acts of mine that you need to follow is That I don't hold hatred for any other human being in my heart". Clearly it was said Human being not Muslim but human being irrespective if he is Hindu or Jain or Pagan or Christian or Jew.

And on either side of those 10 days (or is it month) the world also witnesses another form of unity. Can you deny that?

What other unity is that?

I have never doubted their Muslim-ness. Yet they have no love for you. And work with us. Against you. Why?

Not just them.

Look at the leader of the Shia world. Iran.

Look at the leader of the Sunni world. The Saudis.

Are either of them going to go to war with us for you? Ever?

Wake up my friend. Your ultimate destiny lies on this land. Among your brothers. Your blood brothers.

So it is not Islam vs Hinduism. My original point to remove your confusion and misunderstanding

Chor na yar check this out the ad I am seeing today on PDF

 

[doppelganger]

Arabs =/ Islam. I would be an idiot if I would try to be someone else when I cannot be them. Muslims follow Islam not Arabs or Iranians. This confusion of mixing Islam with personal preferences is confusion and misunderstanding a Non Muslim carries.

That menial work was assigned to Indian by the way or is there another story?




How much India is sure of its unity today? And for how long? They did not break away but are they trusted and treated like others? And it was not the basically the religion but the region that broke away, mainly because they felt they won't be trusted and treated equally.




Again mainly because of two different separate regions and religion had no role whatsoever in it, it was a political failure plus India being in between those two regions.

And for Goodness sake come on you know it Islam does not preach to hate Hindus, this thing is more to do with hatred and emotions of people of subcontinent. I quoted this somewhere today on this forum and I will quote it again for your information, the messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him) once told one of his dear ones "Let me tell you the greatest of all the acts of mine that you need to follow is That I don't hold hatred for any other human being in my heart". Clearly it was said Human being not Muslim but human being irrespective if he is Hindu or Jain or Pagan or Christian or Jew.




What other unity is that?




So it is not Islam vs Hinduism. My original point to remove your confusion and misunderstanding

Chor na yar check this out the ad I am seeing today on PDF

Hmmmmm your search preferences are touching chaar chand!

 

[I.R.A]

Hmmmmm your search preferences are touching chaar chand!

not me searching anything like this yar ............... I am fond of watching "What would you do" or "Faith in Humanity restored" or "Got talent" etc on youtube. This one is like PDF hinting me with ideas of what I can watch, a sort of recommendation.

 

[doppelganger]

not me searching anything like this yar ............... I am fond of watching "What would you do" or "Faith in Humanity restored" or "Got talent" etc on youtube. This one is like PDF hinting me with ideas of what I can watch, a sort of recommendation.

That's not how it works bro. Google Ads ka AI is pretty sophisticated.

As a happy coincidence of You Tube, on a totally unrelated search I chanced upon free FULL PDF's of the first 18 episodes of Savita Bhabhi.

Have them all on my phone now. Love the 3G early morning surges ......

 

[Vassnti]

Thanks, but this is a one-off, to bring that story to the forum. I felt it deserved it.

If we could convince Oscar to give you his ban hammer for say two days a week would you stay?

Good to see your still about