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[Jungibaaz]

@WebMaster @Oscar @Horus @Jango @Jungibaaz @waz Please educate me why this terrorist apologist is being tolerated here?

I've had several heated rants with this man, and I'd say he's extreme. But that, by the forum rules is not exactly enough for a ban. Especially when, he does not troll, he has other content, and he does not name openly any support for actual terrorists groups. At least not that I've seen. So a ban is difficult and perhaps unnecessary.

Besides, we do not allow terrorist propaganda on the forum, however having a few deviant views like this might actually help in debate, it's no good to assume these people don't exist, right?

 

[Zarvan]

I've had several heated rants with this man, and I'd say he's extreme. But that, by the forum rules is not exactly enough for a ban. Especially when, he does not troll, he has other content, and he does not name openly any support for actual terrorists groups. At least not that I've seen. So a ban is difficult and perhaps unnecessary.

Besides, we do not allow terrorist propaganda on the forum, however having a few deviant views like this might actually help in debate, it's no good to assume these people don't exist, right?

I have never supported TTP yes I don't compromise on orders of Islam to make seculars and others groups happy. As for TTP I only tell How our stupid policies mainly of General Musharraf led to formation of this cancer and if you want to remain in denial on How the issue started and what policies of yours are giving oxygen to it than you will be never able to eradicate it. I hate all three TTP and MQM and BLA they are cancers of different forms with different solutions.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I have never supported TTP yes I don't compromise on orders of Islam to make seculars and others groups happy. As for TTP I only tell How our stupid policies mainly of General Musharraf led to formation of this cancer and if you want to remain in denial on How the issue started and what policies of yours are giving oxygen to it than you will be never able to eradicate it. I hate all three TTP and MQM and BLA they are cancers of different forms with different solutions.

Your views I find extreme, distasteful at times. But not worthy of a ban.
I also despise the violent groups, though I do not blame Musharraf alone, he is on that list, but there are several others on that list who are to blame, including folks who think like you do.

 

[VCheng]

And that is what is required and what people have been doing, I agree with you.

There are far more people trying to shut down any debate critical of the role of religion than those trying to do what is really required.

Not religion, the followers of religion have created problems that Pakistan is facing today, nobody cares to look and research what is being taught as religion, blind following whereas religions itself prohibits it. You will have to distinguish between religion and followers of religion. Wrong deeds and interpretation of followers cannot be blamed on religion.

A religion is only what its followers actually do, not what they claim.

There are persons living in the 21st century that blow themselves up-
so back to square does the person living in 21st century is qualified enough to critically analyse a work of a scholar? -

Those who blow themselves up carry with them the mindset of a era long gone by. A scholar is a scholar for their own times, since there is nothing eternal about scholarship. It must change and update itself constantly to remain relevant.

 

[Zarvan]

Your views I find extreme, distasteful at times. But not worthy of a ban.
I also despise the violent groups, though I do not blame Musharraf alone, he is on that list, but there are several others on that list who are to blame, including folks who think like you do.

Sir I stand by my views until some one proves me wrong from Quran and Sunnah as for TTP we need to fight yes but also change those disastrous policies which gave birth and than energy boosts to TTP.

 

[VCheng]

Sir I stand by my views until some one proves me wrong from Quran and Sunnah as for TTP we need to fight yes but also change those disastrous policies which gave birth and than energy boosts to TTP.

You do realize that the likes of TTP use the same Quran and Sunnah to motivate their war, right?

 

[Zarvan]

You do realize that the likes of TTP use the same Quran and Sunnah to motivate their war, right?

Yes and Muslims have to counter it, but by not coming up with some moderate crap but by telling what are those ayats and Hadees for their background and How TTP is actually lying about them.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Sir I stand by my views until some one proves me wrong from Quran and Sunnah as for TTP we need to fight yes but also change those disastrous policies which gave birth and than energy boosts to TTP.

And what would those be?

Yes and Muslims have to counter it, but by not coming up with some moderate crap but by telling what are those ayats and Hadees for their background and How TTP is actually lying about them.

People have been trying that for years, all the religious authorities in the world combined have had 0 effect.

 

[VCheng]

Yes and Muslims have to counter it, but by not coming up with some moderate crap but by telling what are those ayats and Hadees for their background and How TTP is actually lying about them.

More people believe that what the TTP says is the truth, unfortunately. What Muslims are doing to counter it is precious little, and totally ineffective.

 

[Zarvan]

And what would those be?



People have been trying that for years, all the religious authorities in the world combined have had 0 effect.

Becoming ally of USA and than sending troops in Tribal areas bombing our own people which eventually led to formation of TTP. We need to slowly get rid of alliance with USA, and after operations are completed pull out Army at max FC should be in Tribal areas and last but not the least start serious work on implementation of Islamic laws. Until and unless you do these things one year on TTP is still alive and they will remain alive until we start doing these things and eventually separating their support base from them.

 

[Zarvan]

And what would those be?



People have been trying that for years, all the religious authorities in the world combined have had 0 effect.

Because mostly its done by either government puppets or those so called moderates who try to interpret Quran and Hadees in most pathetically hilarious way which in the end instead of building another narrative they end up providing support to TTP.

 

[syedali73]

Becoming ally of USA and than sending troops in Tribal areas bombing our own people which eventually led to formation of TTP. We need to slowly get rid of alliance with USA, and after operations are completed pull out Army at max FC should be in Tribal areas and last but not the least start serious work on implementation of Islamic laws. Until and unless you do these things one year on TTP is still alive and they will remain alive until we start doing these things and eventually separating their support base from them.

The day you implemented Shariah laws in FATA, at-least 50% of its male population would end up with severed hands for dealing with drug and weapon smuggling, lashes for human trafficking, and stoning to death for Bacha baazi. Are you sure you want Shariah laws in FATA?

Because mostly its done by either government puppets or those so called moderates who try to interpret Quran and Hadees in most pathetically hilarious way which in the end instead of building another narrative they end up providing support to TTP.

Try to get it in your royally screwed up thick skull that TTP or their likes are not doing anything in the love of Islam nor are they concerned about the interpretations of Quran or Hadith. Their agenda is to rule and subdue and they are using the name of Islam to lure in idiots like you who are insanely prone to their poisonous propaganda thanks to your insanely narrow and idiotic interpretation of Islam that you have learnt from sectarian bigots. It is foolish like you who are used by TTP/ISIS as their foot soldiers and gun fodder and you are clueless how miserably you fools, in your search of heavens and hoors, are being abused.

Kaun si doodh aur shehed ki nehrein behna shooro ho gai theen Sawat mein jab Fazal harmazadey key susser Sufi soor ney wahan apni 'shariat' naafiz ki thi? Sekdon ladkiyan zabardasti utha li gai theen or ek raat mein char char nikkah hoyey they. Tum kis qadar zaalim aur munafiq insaan ho jo sab jaantey hoyey bhi ghalat baat kar rahey ho. Khuda tumharey haal par rehem nahin karey.

 

[Zarvan]

Try to get it in your royally screwed up thick skull that TTP or their likes are not doing anything in the love of Islam nor are they concerned about the interpretations of Quran or Hadith. Their agenda is to rule and subdue and they are using the name of Islam to lure in idiots like you who are insanely prone to their propaganda thanks to your narrow and idiotic interpretation of Islam that you have learnt from sectarian bigots. It is foolish like you who are used by TTP/ISIS as their foot soldiers and gun fodder and you are clueless how miserably you fools, in your search of heavens and hoors, are being abused.

Yes but their was no TTP before 2006 so where we went wrong what blunder we made and answer is first we have a dumbo Musharraf as our head who was busy being loyal to USA even more than USA itself. USA never asked him to send in troops but he did those who knew that area asked him to not to make this blunder but he did and operation ended up creating TTP. So we have to end TTP as they have become a monster but it was our stupidity which gave birth to this monster. If we had used our brain their would have been no monster in first place hence we wouldn't have lost 90000 in this battle. I am most pissed of on loosing 90000 of our brothers and sisters but what led to their deaths has to be answered and changed.

 

[SQ8]

So what you want from them? to take up weapons and start massacring those who do not tend to agree with their approach? You were a terrorist sympathizer, you will remain one.

@WebMaster @Oscar @Horus @Jango @Jungibaaz @waz Please educate me why this terrorist apologist is being tolerated here?

Because the majority of Pakistanis here tolerate him. Hence it shows that we as a nation are generally sympathetic to terrorists.

 

[Secur]

People don't understand the role played by likes of Deputy Nazeer ahmed and Ashraf Ali thanvi in their respective times. They wrote their respective pieces so to make ordinary muslim well versed in matters of Deen and Duniya. The muslims of that era were as superstitious and ignorant about Islam as poor people of Inner sindh are.

The question is that in the process of enlightening people about religion and worldly life in age of illiteracy and ignorance, why start having thoughts like them so to start rationalizing and compromising on key matters? Why agree with people to carry forward your argument if they are wrong in the first place?