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@Talon,
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No one in this world identifies the academic achievement of any community to the religion. They are always region based. One's being a Greek is not a religious, but a regional identity. If an American finds something, it will be an American discovery, not Christian/Muslim/Jewish. We all say the Chinese invented funpowder, no one says they were the Taoist, or Buddhists or Shamanic. Heck, even 0, which was reached upon because it holds a central place in Hindu philosophy, is never considered a Hindu invention. It is always said that Indians invented it, even when the very first mention of 0 is there inside a Vishnu temple. And there is a strong reason behind this convention, which has been adhered to for over millenia. The reasoning behind this convention is that every region holds all kinds of religions and cultures and that every culture and religion, irrespective of its significance in the region, has played a role in the development of knowledge.
So please do not start saying Muslims this Muslims that. No one is responding to you in the same manner because it would appear too petty to talk about something so insignificant. Otherwise, if someone were to merely troll you out of here, they could count the number of inventions done by the Jews, and identify them with Judaism as well. While that would be completely wrong in every sense, I am sure it won't leave you with a nice aftertaste.
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Most of impediments in the way of knowledge, for which free thinking is a prerequisite, as pointed out in the article, come from religion. And there is a strong reason for that - Religion wants us, entire population, to think in a certain way. But Nature goes against that. Every single person is different, and they are bound to think differently, and that is exactly how we create different fields of knowledge and attain mastery in them. So when FaujHistorian names the Ayatollahs and Mullahs, he clearly means those authorities on religion who dictate others on what shall be right and what shall be wrong. Naturally, anyone who differs would be 'wrong' for obvious reasons. And in his context (FaujHistorian's) these Ayatollahs and Mullahs do not have to hold exactly the same title that have been mentioned. They could very well be Rabbis and Priests of Hindu temples. In fact, in India itself, the dark age came upon when Bhakti movement began to take pace. While scientific development continued somewhat, philosophical development stalled completely, and took new reformers to come out and point that merely singing "bhajans" (devotional songs) and worshiping for long hours won't fetch us anything. That we have to be proactive and work for the society, if we do wish to attain salvation.
While I am not saying that religion has always been the main hurdle in the way of science, in fact among Hindus it helped develop the sciences as the priests were required to accurately predict the eclipses for mass worshiping, but in later eras, the eras that came after Rumi and all, religion did indeed become the greatest hurdle in the way of knowledge. And the process was always the same - curb free thinking as one day it may challenge the authority. As pointed out by FaujHistorian, the same process of curbing free thinking has today matured into a massive violent caricature in Pakistan.
Believe it or not, your mention of the term "Muslim invention" is nothing more than a peek into that caricature.
Off Topic:
No one in this world identifies the academic achievement of any community to the religion. They are always region based. One's being a Greek is not a religious, but a regional identity. If an American finds something, it will be an American discovery, not Christian/Muslim/Jewish. We all say the Chinese invented funpowder, no one says they were the Taoist, or Buddhists or Shamanic. Heck, even 0, which was reached upon because it holds a central place in Hindu philosophy, is never considered a Hindu invention. It is always said that Indians invented it, even when the very first mention of 0 is there inside a Vishnu temple. And there is a strong reason behind this convention, which has been adhered to for over millenia. The reasoning behind this convention is that every region holds all kinds of religions and cultures and that every culture and religion, irrespective of its significance in the region, has played a role in the development of knowledge.
So please do not start saying Muslims this Muslims that. No one is responding to you in the same manner because it would appear too petty to talk about something so insignificant. Otherwise, if someone were to merely troll you out of here, they could count the number of inventions done by the Jews, and identify them with Judaism as well. While that would be completely wrong in every sense, I am sure it won't leave you with a nice aftertaste.
On Topic:
Most of impediments in the way of knowledge, for which free thinking is a prerequisite, as pointed out in the article, come from religion. And there is a strong reason for that - Religion wants us, entire population, to think in a certain way. But Nature goes against that. Every single person is different, and they are bound to think differently, and that is exactly how we create different fields of knowledge and attain mastery in them. So when FaujHistorian names the Ayatollahs and Mullahs, he clearly means those authorities on religion who dictate others on what shall be right and what shall be wrong. Naturally, anyone who differs would be 'wrong' for obvious reasons. And in his context (FaujHistorian's) these Ayatollahs and Mullahs do not have to hold exactly the same title that have been mentioned. They could very well be Rabbis and Priests of Hindu temples. In fact, in India itself, the dark age came upon when Bhakti movement began to take pace. While scientific development continued somewhat, philosophical development stalled completely, and took new reformers to come out and point that merely singing "bhajans" (devotional songs) and worshiping for long hours won't fetch us anything. That we have to be proactive and work for the society, if we do wish to attain salvation.
While I am not saying that religion has always been the main hurdle in the way of science, in fact among Hindus it helped develop the sciences as the priests were required to accurately predict the eclipses for mass worshiping, but in later eras, the eras that came after Rumi and all, religion did indeed become the greatest hurdle in the way of knowledge. And the process was always the same - curb free thinking as one day it may challenge the authority. As pointed out by FaujHistorian, the same process of curbing free thinking has today matured into a massive violent caricature in Pakistan.
Believe it or not, your mention of the term "Muslim invention" is nothing more than a peek into that caricature.
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