Sisi seeks to conclude military deal with France swiftly

[Gabriel92]

@Frogman @Mahmoud_EGY

President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi revealed he had asked his French counterpart Francois Hollande to supply Egypt with modern military equipment, during a meeting in New York, on the sidelines of the general assembly of the United Nations.

Sisi said in his speech Sunday at al-Galaa Theater that he identified three conditions for the conclusion of military equipment deal with France so the equipment could be less expensive and the deal could be concluded quickly.

Egyptian committees have traveled to France to follow up on negotiations.

Sisi and Holland discussed the deal in a meeting in Saudi Arabia while offering condolences on the death of King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, according to Sisi.


Edited translation from Al-Masry Al-Youm

Sisi seeks to conclude military deal with France swiftly | Egypt Independent

Good

 

[Oublious]

What will happen when france give you the finger? Look to russians, they have paid the bill and they are not getting ther ship.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi revealed he had asked his French counterpart Francois Hollande to supply Egypt with modern military equipment, during a meeting in New York, on the sidelines of the general assembly of the United Nations.

Why is there a hurry by Egyptian military junta ? Are there planning to use Rafale to attack Muslim Brotherhood ?

 

[Ceylal]

What will happen when france give you the finger? Look to russians, they have paid the bill and they are not getting ther ship.

Both the dreamer and the gullible got the finger, and they know it...Egypt has neither the money nor the capability to man the Fremm or the Rafale unless they buy them fully staffed until domestic crew is trained. Now, after the Sauds got them to do everything the ask from Egypt, from the putsch against Morsi, putting the MB's on the terrorist list to releasing Mubarek , they left them with an empty wallet...Sadat lived the same affront from Sauds..It is just that the Egyptians can't get it and have never learned from their past (recent)history.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Why is there a hurry by Egyptian military junta ? Are there planning to use Rafale to attack Muslim Brotherhood ?

Why not?

 

[Gabriel92]

What will happen when france give you the finger? Look to russians, they have paid the bill and they are not getting ther ship.

Didn't Russia do the same to Iran with the S300s. ?
It seems that Russia lost 0 credibility and continued to sell its stuff.
What's your point ?

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

The Saudi regime bankrolled Iraq war against Iran for 7 years. Then supported Iraq invasion by US. Now bankrolling military junta against Muslim brotherhood. They are also provided support to Sunni extremist to attack Shia. The Shikarpur bomb attack is another Saudi supported terrorist attack in Pakistan. May be declare Wahhabism as a terrorist philosophy and ban it in Pakistan.

Why Saudi Arabia is Helping Crush the Muslim Brotherhood | The New Republic
Why Saudi Arabia is Helping Crush the Muslim Brotherhood
By Robert Baer
It’s not often that Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates openly defy the United States on an issue that truly matters to the White House. But that’s exactly what happened when the two pledged $12 billion to Egypt in July. Not only was it the size of the package—it’s four times the combined aid provided by the United States and Europe to Egypt—but also the apparent intent. The timing and the size of the package certainly makes it look as if it was meant to help the Egyptian generals exterminate the Muslim Brotherhood—and, in effect, destroy the first and only democratically-elected government in Egypt’s history. Why would the Saudis and Emiratis do it now, and especially when the Middle East is already spinning out of control? Don’t they need the goodwill of the West?

Let me stick with Saudi Arabia for an explanation. Although Saudi Arabia spends 9.1 percent of its GDP on its military and has an active duty armed force of 200,000, the fact is it’s always depended more on alliances for its national security than it has military force. From the moment Franklin Roosevelt sat down with King Ibn Sa’ud on the deck of the USS Quincy in 1945, the United States has been a constant and vital ally for the Kingdom. Even when the United States took up positions against it, Saudi Arabia never let the relationship go.

While Egypt doesn’t carry the international weight of the United States, its generals have been an equally vital ally for the Kingdom. The list of favors they’ve accorded the Saudis is too long to include here, but suffice it to say that when in the eighties Saudi Arabia needed weapons for Afghanistan, the Egyptian generals didn’t think twice before starting to load up the planes. But most recently there was one service in particular that King Abdullah won’t forget. In 2003, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (the former commander of the air force) helped break up a hare-brained Qaddafi scheme to assassinate Abdullah when he was crown prince and de facto king. An Egyptian with close ties to the Saudis told me that to this day Abdullah believes that the Egyptian generals helped save his life. Abdullah’s connection with Egypt’s then is very personal.

There’s also the question of Egypt’s fate and influence in the region. A contact close to Abdullah’s inner circle told me that "Abdullah had early on realized that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood was incapable of ruling Egypt, and the chances of its slipping into chaos and anarchy à la Libya were all but certain. The military, being the only enduring institution in Egypt, alone was capable of heading it off."

Egypt aside, Saudi Arabia has never looked benignly on the Muslim Brotherhood, and, in particular, its position on the political role of Islam. When King Abdullah’s father Ibn Sa’ud founded Saudi Arabia in 1932, he came to a non-negotiable agreement with the Wahhabi religious establishment that, in return for allowing it control of the mosques, culture, and education, they would never go near core political issues, such as royal succession, foreign policy, and the armed forces. It’s a deal that’s been more or less respected for the last 80 years.

On the other hand, a core tenet of the Muslim Brotherhood is that there can be no separation between church and state. The Brotherhood’s nonnegotiable demand is that they get both the pulpit and the crown. The implication then is that the Al Sa’ud are illegitimate rulers of Saudi Arabia. No wonder the Saudis were more than happy to pay the Egyptian generals to do their dirty work.

The Saudis watched in mute horror as Egypt’s Arab Spring led to the legitimization of the Muslim Brotherhood in voting booths. They could only ask whether their turn was next. A source close to the Saudis told me, “The royal family looks at the Muslim Brotherhood as hands down the most serious threat to its existence. Its Shia minority doesn’t come even close.”

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In fact, there’s been anecdotal evidence of popular support for the Brotherhood, at least in social media. But of more immediate concern to the Saudis are the two million Egyptian guest workers residing in the Kingdom. They’re poor and susceptible to the Muslim Brotherhood’s message. Adding to Saudi anxiety, the bulk of them live in the Hijaz, the home to Mecca and Medina, Islam’s two holy sites. There’s been no evidence the Saudis are on the verge of losing them. But in the long run who could tell what problems a triumphant Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt would have caused for the Saudi royal family.

Robert Baer, a former CIA case officer in the Middle East, has also written for TIME, Vanity Fair, and the Wall Street Journal.

 

[258963147harry]

Didn't Russia do the same to Iran with the S300s. ?
It seems that Russia lost 0 credibility and continued to sell its stuff.
What's your point ?

u r right fact is fact

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

@Frogman @Mahmoud_EGY



Sisi seeks to conclude military deal with France swiftly | Egypt Independent

Good

great news i hope it will be only the beginning of better cooperation

 

[Ceylal]

Didn't Russia do the same to Iran with the S300s. ?
It seems that Russia lost 0 credibility and continued to sell its stuff.
What's your point ?

Russia is not Iran...Not only France lost Russia, but India too...due to Holland volte face.

 

[Falcon29]

Both the dreamer and the gullible got the finger, and they know it...Egypt has neither the money nor the capability to man the Fremm or the Rafale unless they buy them fully staffed until domestic crew is trained. Now, after the Sauds got them to do everything the ask from Egypt, from the putsch against Morsi, putting the MB's on the terrorist list to releasing Mubarek , they left them with an empty wallet...Sadat lived the same affront from Sauds..It is just that the Egyptians can't get it and have never learned from their past (recent)history.

Welcome back.

 

[Frogman]

Egypt has neither the money nor the capability to man the Fremm or the Rafale unless they buy them fully staffed until domestic crew is trained.

You're still a blithering idiot. Training of initial crews (or future ones) is usually included in the deal, I admit training a crew for the FREMM for August of this year would be challenging but any Rafales will be delivered in the latter half of 2016 allowing plenty of time for the French to train Egyptian pilots for the Rafale. Any system acquired will not enter operational service until the platform and crew are ready.

Deal isn't financed by the Sauds btw, but don't let reality get in your way.

 

[Falcon29]

You're still a blithering idiot. Training of initial crews (or future ones) is usually included in the deal, I admit training a crew for the FREMM for August of this year would be challenging but any Rafales will be delivered in the latter half of 2016 allowing plenty of time for the French to train Egyptian pilots for the Rafale. Any system acquired will not enter operational service until the platform and crew are ready.

Deal isn't financed by the Sauds btw, but don't let reality get in your way.

Sure it isn't.

 

[Frogman]

Sure it isn't.

Ergh!

Ripped from Olybrius on MP.net

...] Egypt is interested by the Dassault Aviation fighter. By 24 aircraft. Cairo has expressed this interest during the mid-September visit of [MoD] Jean-Yves Le Drian. A request that is not new. Early summer 2011, Egyptian militaries had sent to Paris had an "expression of interest" from 12 to 20 Rafale . Paris was then very embarrassed [2011 = revolt against Moubarak...] and Dassault not interested. However, Paris had begun to discuss with Cairo to understand the needs of the Egyptian military. Egyptian pilots even flew the Rafale. But it does not go any further. Today, the Egyptians demand should be studied more carefully.
However, the dossier is not yet ripe. It's rather "medium term," said a source familiar with the matter. Especially because Egypt, during Abdel Fattah al-Sisi visit [next week], could seek a funding via Coface*, to be able to buy 24 Rafale. [...] which would be difficult to achieve, but not impossible. [...]

Le Rafale atterrira-t-il un jour en Egypte ? Pas impossible

* The Compagnie Française d'Assurance pour le Commerce Extérieur (COFACE) is a globally operating credit insurer which manages public export guarantees on behalf of the French state, acting as France's Export Credit Agency


A high level delegation of fifteen Egyptian military of the Air Force and Navy arrived in Paris on Wednesday to discuss major contracts with French companies, including Dassault Aviation and DCNS naval group.
[...]And if Egypt become the first Rafale customer, beating Qatar and India in the last minute ?. Not impossible even if we must stay careful in this type of negotiations, very careful. It is undeniable the Rafale seems currently fashionable but Dassault still have to sign the famous first contract as expected. One thing is sure, Cairo is devilishly interested in the Rafale (between 23 and 26 combat aircraft, according to interviewed sources). To sign this contract valued at 3.6 billion euros, Egyptians ask France a Coface credit for all or part of the funding of the combat aircraft. Some suggest a Coface credit* for half of the contract, the other half would be supported by the banks, which , until recently, were still very cautious.
[...]

Des Rafale et des frégates FREMM pour l'Egypte avant Noël ?

Bercy is reluctant to grant to Egypt financing facilities wished to buy 23 Rafale and 2 multimission FREMM frigates. A situation reminiscent of Morocco in 2007 when the Rafale had lost an almost captive contract.[...]

Et si Bercy faisait capoter la vente des Rafale et des frégates en Egypte?

The financial hurdles have been solved.

 

[Oublious]

Didn't Russia do the same to Iran with the S300s. ?
It seems that Russia lost 0 credibility and continued to sell its stuff.
What's your point ?

The difference between france and russia is they are oppressed by the west. france in the other hands is not, so i can not blame russians. maybe they wil sell the missile system to iran.