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The Gurkha unit of Singapore.

In my opinion, Chinese taking over Singapore is a big accident and chance. The British would rather deliver us to Indians and Malay Islamofascist. The military units of Singapore during British time are compose in large numbers by Indians. The vestige is still there. We still recruit Gurkha from Nepal.

The Gurkha in Singapore are quasi special forces and they are a highly equipped military unit but they are under the control of police.

They can be identify by their funny hat and big knife.

Gurkha Contingent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Quite interesting. They have retained much of the organization of British Power, especially with the use of Gurkhas. I also know that the Sultanate of Brunei also employs Gurkhas.
 
The breakdown in command in the Malayan Command is to be suspect. Given, at that time, seeing at the time the entire French Indochina collapsed in 5 days, then the subsequent alliance created between Siam with the Empire of Japan, and then the subsequent military victories of the 25th Army in Malaya, its only fair to assume that this would have shaken the British Command in the Malayan Peninsula and this would have shown in the behaviors of its soldiers. In the end, it was not the Indian Sepoys who surrendered, but was the British.

Secondarily, I would like to address another point. The issue of Singapore's Naval Defenses. The Indians proved their worth when the 11th Indian Division at the Singapore Naval Base was able to defend against the Imperial Guards Division, which ouflanked them. The 11th Indian Division suffered massive casualties , but also rendered considerable losses to the Imperial Guards Division. The Indians actually fought bravely, many of whom fought to the death.

As for the Sinaporean Depot; the British Naval Squadron that was ordered to defend Singapore was obliterated, many of which escaped Singapore to join the Dutch Oriental Squadron , but were to be annihilated in the Battle of the Java Sea months later.

The point that I want to emphasize is that Singapore's defenses is totally dependent on the presence of a naval force. If this can be negated then the island can be susceptible, this is the reason why Singapore Armed Forces, to this day, have emphasized a powerful Air Force and Navy.

Singapore was well protected on all sides except for malay peninsula side. Japanese found it out and they entered Singapore very easily. Singapore wasn't attacked from Sea but through Land that was achilles heel for SG!!
 
Singaporeans are very skeptical about China so I don't think so and moreover, PRC ppl and indians are kind of burden to Singaporeans (but not to Government) due to their unruly behaviour in public places
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LOL ... :partay::partay::partay: We r doing the work for J-20.
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The breakdown in command in the Malayan Command is to be suspect. Given, at that time, seeing at the time the entire French Indochina collapsed in 5 days, then the subsequent alliance created between Siam with the Empire of Japan, and then the subsequent military victories of the 25th Army in Malaya, its only fair to assume that this would have shaken the British Command in the Malayan Peninsula and this would have shown in the behaviors of its soldiers. In the end, it was not the Indian Sepoys who surrendered, but was the British.

Secondarily, I would like to address another point. The issue of Singapore's Naval Defenses. The Indians proved their worth when the 11th Indian Division at the Singapore Naval Base was able to defend against the Imperial Guards Division, which ouflanked them. The 11th Indian Division suffered massive casualties , but also rendered considerable losses to the Imperial Guards Division. The Indians actually fought bravely, many of whom fought to the death.

As for the Sinaporean Depot; the British Naval Squadron that was ordered to defend Singapore was obliterated, many of which escaped Singapore to join the Dutch Oriental Squadron , but were to be annihilated in the Battle of the Java Sea months later.

The point that I want to emphasize is that Singapore's defenses is totally dependent on the presence of a naval force. If this can be negated then the island can be susceptible, this is the reason why Singapore Armed Forces, to this day, have emphasized a powerful Air Force and Navy.

"Indians' lines simply collapse upon contacting Japanese. They only brave "Indian units" are Gurkhas.

The Gurkhas are "not Indian" per se. There are Sino-Tibetan, meaning cousin of Chinese. Gurkhas are Limbus, Rai, Nagar, and not a single Indo-Aryan.

Worse proabably up to 60% of British Indian soldiers in Malaya defect and fought the Allied under Hindutva Subhas Chandra Bose, a clown today widely loved even today. They formed the so call INA army.

Indian National Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no reason UK forces fighting in Malaya, having the best weapon can be defeated by Japanese who need to be supplied from Tokyo.

These INA veterans and their scions are still powerful especially in Malaysia and according to customs of Hindutva, the form the "Congress" party in Malaysia (MIC). The MIC practice so much caste system that even racist Malay need to keep telling them to be more meritocratic

Bose and Hitler. Bose today is seen as national hero of India.

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The breakdown in command in the Malayan Command is to be suspect. Given, at that time, seeing at the time the entire French Indochina collapsed in 5 days, then the subsequent alliance created between Siam with the Empire of Japan, and then the subsequent military victories of the 25th Army in Malaya, its only fair to assume that this would have shaken the British Command in the Malayan Peninsula and this would have shown in the behaviors of its soldiers. In the end, it was not the Indian Sepoys who surrendered, but was the British.

Secondarily, I would like to address another point. The issue of Singapore's Naval Defenses. The Indians proved their worth when the 11th Indian Division at the Singapore Naval Base was able to defend against the Imperial Guards Division, which ouflanked them. The 11th Indian Division suffered massive casualties , but also rendered considerable losses to the Imperial Guards Division. The Indians actually fought bravely, many of whom fought to the death.

As for the Sinaporean Depot; the British Naval Squadron that was ordered to defend Singapore was obliterated, many of which escaped Singapore to join the Dutch Oriental Squadron , but were to be annihilated in the Battle of the Java Sea months later.

The point that I want to emphasize is that Singapore's defenses is totally dependent on the presence of a naval force. If this can be negated then the island can be susceptible, this is the reason why Singapore Armed Forces, to this day, have emphasized a powerful Air Force and Navy.

There more to it than solely Naval power. The battle of Singapore is lost before it was even fought, the premises is They lost Singapore when they lost the Top half of Malay Peninsular

Would have elaborate more clearly but I am currently working on something...
 
"Indians' lines simply collapse upon contacting Japanese. They only brave "Indian units" are Gurkhas.

The Gurkhas are "not Indian" per se. There are Sino-Tibetan, meaning cousin of Chinese. Gurkhas are Limbus, Rai, Nagar, and not a single Indo-Aryan.

Worse proabably up to 60% of British Indian soldiers in Malaya defect and fought the Allied under Hindutva Subhas Chandra Bose, a clown today widely loved even today. They formed the so call INA army.

Indian National Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no reason UK forces fighting in Malaya, having the best weapon can be defeated by Japanese who need to be supplied from Tokyo.

These INA veterans and their scions are still powerful especially in Malaysia and according to customs of Hindutva, the form the "Congress" party in Malaysia (MIC). The MIC practice so much caste system that even racist Malay need to keep telling them to be more meritocratic

Bose and Hitler. Bose today is seen as national hero of India.

Netaji%252520Subash%252520Sandhra%252520Bose%252520Rare%252520Photos%252520%25252842%252529_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg

Bose is an extremely talented physicist who collaborated with Einstein. If it was up to me I'd give comparable credit and publicity to Bose with Einstein. However sad thing is many people does not recognize Bose.Those times were the strange times. Heisenberg was the head of German nuclear program, Oppenheimer gave secret technologies resulting from Manhattan project to Russians.

We should not judge those people with today's values. This will be an anachrony.
 
Bose is an extremely talented physicist who collaborated with Einstein. If it was up to me I'd give comparable credit and publicity to Bose with Einstein. However sad thing is many people does not recognize Bose.Those times were the strange times. Heisenberg was the head of German nuclear program, Oppenheimer gave secret technologies resulting from Manhattan project to Russians.

We should not judge those people with today's values. This will be an anachrony.

The physicist Bose is different person from the gangster Bose.

Subhas Chandra Bose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Satyendra Nath Bose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
There more to it than solely Naval power. The battle of Singapore is lost before it was even fought, the premises is They lost Singapore when they lost the Top half of Malay Peninsular

Would have elaborate more clearly but I am currently working on something...

I would love to read your conjecture, @jhungary .

From my own understanding and military analysis of the situation in British Malaya / Singapore during the formentioned time frame (1941-1942), most of the British Naval ships were recalled to defend Britain, leaving only 3 large warships to defend the British Orient. The battle cruiser Repulse was commanded by Captain W. G. Tennant, an older design but sported six 15" guns. The second ship was the battleship Prince of Wales, a ship practically fresh out of the docks (she was commissioned in March 1941), sporting ten 14" modern guns and good anti-aircraft defenses, but her total tonnage was limited by the treaty. The Prince of Wales was commanded by Captain J. C. Leach of the Royal Navy. The last large ship was the Indomitable, a 23,000-ton aircraft carrier with a compliment of 45 fighters. This force was designated "Force G" and sent underway to rendezvous in Singapore. These then were supported with 4 Destroyers and assorted smaller light destroyers.

During the Battle of Kuantan, these ships or otherwise known as "Force Z" were dispatched from Ceylon (Sri Lanka) to defend Singapore, only to turn aside and evade the Imperial Japanese Navy's Kido Butai during the initiating events. The 22nd Air Flotilla of the Nihon Kaigun (Imperial Japanese Navy) did spot the 2 capital ships, and were supported by a Destroyer Squadron. The HMS Repulse and her support destroyers were sunk during the engagement, with the HMS Prince of Whales , Britain's largest warship in the East, escaping into the Indian Ocean. It was later sunk by the Nihon Kaigun, as with other remaining Dutch vessels.

With naval supremacy, and practical air superiority, Japanese Operations into Singapore proper and Dutch Malaccas was ensured and could proceed unharassed. Thus the 25th Imperial Army , under command of Gen. Yamashita, supported by the Kaigun Tokubetsu Rikusentai (Imperial Naval Landing Force), and supported by the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division, initiated the pincer force attack / invasion of Singapore.

And in 7 days, the British Malaya Command was defeated. Over 138,000 British Soldiers yielded to the Imperial Army. It was, in British History, the most humiliating defeat of the British Empire.

There more to it than solely Naval power. The battle of Singapore is lost before it was even fought, the premises is They lost Singapore when they lost the Top half of Malay Peninsular

Would have elaborate more clearly but I am currently working on something...

I also would like to add some information for you and also to @Lux de Veritas , who thinks that the Indians were not capable. During the Battle of the City of Jitra, the it was the 11th Indian Division that was tasked to defend the area of strategic interest. The 11th Indian Division was badly and poorly supplied, but managed to hold against what the Imperial Japanese Army considered its best , the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division. Despite being undermanned, poorly supplied and poorly armed, the 11th Indian Division managed to hold back advances of the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division for almost a day and a half.

A shift in tactics allowed the Japanese column to drive a deep wedge into the center of the British line of defense, and then the addition of a reinforcement force broke through the line. During the British retreat, there was much confusion due to the lack of a good communications system, and it was fueled by unorthodox tactics employed by the Japanese. I even read a book written by IJA veterans that noted how soldiers of the 11th Indian Division fought to the last man, many of whom were bayoneted to death by the Imperial Guards Division.

This is one thing that I admire about the Indians fighting spirit. While the British were keen to surrender en masse and English soldiers surrendered when enabled, Indians fought almost to the last man.
 
I would love to read your conjecture, @jhungary .

From my own understanding and military analysis of the situation in British Malaya / Singapore during the formentioned time frame (1941-1942), most of the British Naval ships were recalled to defend Britain, leaving only 3 large warships to defend the British Orient. The battle cruiser Repulse was commanded by Captain W. G. Tennant, an older design but sported six 15" guns. The second ship was the battleship Prince of Wales, a ship practically fresh out of the docks (she was commissioned in March 1941), sporting ten 14" modern guns and good anti-aircraft defenses, but her total tonnage was limited by the treaty. The Prince of Wales was commanded by Captain J. C. Leach of the Royal Navy. The last large ship was the Indomitable, a 23,000-ton aircraft carrier with a compliment of 45 fighters. This force was designated "Force G" and sent underway to rendezvous in Singapore. These then were supported with 4 Destroyers and assorted smaller light destroyers.

During the Battle of Kuantan, these ships or otherwise known as "Force Z" were dispatched from Ceylon (Sri Lanka) to defend Singapore, only to turn aside and evade the Imperial Japanese Navy's Kido Butai during the initiating events. The 22nd Air Flotilla of the Nihon Kaigun (Imperial Japanese Navy) did spot the 2 capital ships, and were supported by a Destroyer Squadron. The HMS Repulse and her support destroyers were sunk during the engagement, with the HMS Prince of Whales , Britain's largest warship in the East, escaping into the Indian Ocean. It was later sunk by the Nihon Kaigun, as with other remaining Dutch vessels.

With naval supremacy, and practical air superiority, Japanese Operations into Singapore proper and Dutch Malaccas was ensured and could proceed unharassed. Thus the 25th Imperial Army , under command of Gen. Yamashita, supported by the Kaigun Tokubetsu Rikusentai (Imperial Naval Landing Force), and supported by the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division, initiated the pincer force attack / invasion of Singapore.

And in 7 days, the British Malaya Command was defeated. Over 138,000 British Soldiers yielded to the Imperial Army. It was, in British History, the most humiliating defeat of the British Empire.



I also would like to add some information for you and also to @Lux de Veritas , who thinks that the Indians were not capable. During the Battle of the City of Jitra, the it was the 11th Indian Division that was tasked to defend the area of strategic interest. The 11th Indian Division was badly and poorly supplied, but managed to hold against what the Imperial Japanese Army considered its best , the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division. Despite being undermanned, poorly supplied and poorly armed, the 11th Indian Division managed to hold back advances of the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division for almost a day and a half.

A shift in tactics allowed the Japanese column to drive a deep wedge into the center of the British line of defense, and then the addition of a reinforcement force broke through the line. During the British retreat, there was much confusion due to the lack of a good communications system, and it was fueled by unorthodox tactics employed by the Japanese. I even read a book written by IJA veterans that noted how soldiers of the 11th Indian Division fought to the last man, many of whom were bayoneted to death by the Imperial Guards Division.

This is one thing that I admire about the Indians fighting spirit. While the British were keen to surrender en masse and English soldiers surrendered when enabled, Indians fought almost to the last man.
One question.. May be stupid. But why after independence Malaysia or Indonesia never try to annex singapore.

Even when india realized it invaded Goa.
 
11th Indian Division
  • Divisyen ke-11 Infantry India
    Maj. Gen. D.M. Murray-Lyon
    Briged infantri India Ke-6 - Brig. W.O. Lay
    Batalion Ke-2 Rejimen East Surrey Regiment
    Bn1/8th, Rejimen Punjab
    Bn 2/16th, Rejimen Punjab
    Briged infantri Gurkha ke-28 - Brig. W. St J. Carpendale
    Bn 2/1, Gurkha Rifles
    Bn 2/2, Gurkha Rifles
    Bn 2/9, Gurkha Rifles

They are mostly Sepoy/Punjabi/Sikh. Like my friend in school says, never underestimate the Punjabi spirit. Those guys are huge/natural body even during school. Not to mention, you have Gurkha in the mixed. Best mercenary you could buy.
 
  • Divisyen ke-11 Infantry India
    Maj. Gen. D.M. Murray-Lyon
    Briged infantri India Ke-6 - Brig. W.O. Lay
    Batalion Ke-2 Rejimen East Surrey Regiment
    Bn1/8th, Rejimen Punjab
    Bn 2/16th, Rejimen Punjab
    Briged infantri Gurkha ke-28 - Brig. W. St J. Carpendale
    Bn 2/1, Gurkha Rifles
    Bn 2/2, Gurkha Rifles
    Bn 2/9, Gurkha Rifles
They are mostly Sepoy/Punjabi/Sikh. Like my friend in school says, never underestimate the Punjabi spirit. Those guys are huge/natural body even during school. Not to mention, you have Gurkha in the mixed. Best mercenary you could buy.

Precisely. I can add in more later , am heading out so maybe tonight i'll post some thoughts.

Regards,
 
Precisely. I can add in more later , am heading out so maybe tonight i'll post some thoughts.

Regards,
My neighbor an old man who died recently had a chance to meet a Gurkha. As a kid, he unsheathe his Kukri. He had to cut himself before he had to put it back. He says the Kukri must taste blood if unsheathe. Trust me, those guys are not shy of going hand to hand combat.
 
  • Divisyen ke-11 Infantry India
    Maj. Gen. D.M. Murray-Lyon
    Briged infantri India Ke-6 - Brig. W.O. Lay
    Batalion Ke-2 Rejimen East Surrey Regiment
    Bn1/8th, Rejimen Punjab
    Bn 2/16th, Rejimen Punjab
    Briged infantri Gurkha ke-28 - Brig. W. St J. Carpendale
    Bn 2/1, Gurkha Rifles
    Bn 2/2, Gurkha Rifles
    Bn 2/9, Gurkha Rifles
They are mostly Sepoy/Punjabi/Sikh. Like my friend in school says, never underestimate the Punjabi spirit. Those guys are huge/natural body even during school. Not to mention, you have Gurkha in the mixed. Best mercenary you could buy.
I would love to read your conjecture, @jhungary .

From my own understanding and military analysis of the situation in British Malaya / Singapore during the formentioned time frame (1941-1942), most of the British Naval ships were recalled to defend Britain, leaving only 3 large warships to defend the British Orient. The battle cruiser Repulse was commanded by Captain W. G. Tennant, an older design but sported six 15" guns. The second ship was the battleship Prince of Wales, a ship practically fresh out of the docks (she was commissioned in March 1941), sporting ten 14" modern guns and good anti-aircraft defenses, but her total tonnage was limited by the treaty. The Prince of Wales was commanded by Captain J. C. Leach of the Royal Navy. The last large ship was the Indomitable, a 23,000-ton aircraft carrier with a compliment of 45 fighters. This force was designated "Force G" and sent underway to rendezvous in Singapore. These then were supported with 4 Destroyers and assorted smaller light destroyers.

During the Battle of Kuantan, these ships or otherwise known as "Force Z" were dispatched from Ceylon (Sri Lanka) to defend Singapore, only to turn aside and evade the Imperial Japanese Navy's Kido Butai during the initiating events. The 22nd Air Flotilla of the Nihon Kaigun (Imperial Japanese Navy) did spot the 2 capital ships, and were supported by a Destroyer Squadron. The HMS Repulse and her support destroyers were sunk during the engagement, with the HMS Prince of Whales , Britain's largest warship in the East, escaping into the Indian Ocean. It was later sunk by the Nihon Kaigun, as with other remaining Dutch vessels.

With naval supremacy, and practical air superiority, Japanese Operations into Singapore proper and Dutch Malaccas was ensured and could proceed unharassed. Thus the 25th Imperial Army , under command of Gen. Yamashita, supported by the Kaigun Tokubetsu Rikusentai (Imperial Naval Landing Force), and supported by the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division, initiated the pincer force attack / invasion of Singapore.

And in 7 days, the British Malaya Command was defeated. Over 138,000 British Soldiers yielded to the Imperial Army. It was, in British History, the most humiliating defeat of the British Empire.



I also would like to add some information for you and also to @Lux de Veritas , who thinks that the Indians were not capable. During the Battle of the City of Jitra, the it was the 11th Indian Division that was tasked to defend the area of strategic interest. The 11th Indian Division was badly and poorly supplied, but managed to hold against what the Imperial Japanese Army considered its best , the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division. Despite being undermanned, poorly supplied and poorly armed, the 11th Indian Division managed to hold back advances of the Emperor's Imperial Guards Division for almost a day and a half.

A shift in tactics allowed the Japanese column to drive a deep wedge into the center of the British line of defense, and then the addition of a reinforcement force broke through the line. During the British retreat, there was much confusion due to the lack of a good communications system, and it was fueled by unorthodox tactics employed by the Japanese. I even read a book written by IJA veterans that noted how soldiers of the 11th Indian Division fought to the last man, many of whom were bayoneted to death by the Imperial Guards Division.

This is one thing that I admire about the Indians fighting spirit. While the British were keen to surrender en masse and English soldiers surrendered when enabled, Indians fought almost to the last man.

According to wiki, out of 140,000 UK soldiers, 5,500 killed 5,000 wounded 40,000 captured in Malayan campaign. Many British soldiers surrendered. Japan just throw in 70,000 men.

Malayan Campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also British give absurd excuse for their failure such as they are not equip with much tanks. But Malayan is largely rain Forrest with small roads cutting across them. And if British are braver, they could easy ambush the tanks or just cutting a few trees and laid it in the middle of the roads will stop the Japanese.

That is why armour warfare did not work in Vietnam war.

Basically most of the lines simply collapse without much fighting.

The Battle of Jitra lasted just three days and lines collapse immediately on engagement, which is a disgrace.

The Traitor Indian INA

At the outbreak of World War II in South East Asia, 70,000 Indian troops were stationed in Malaya. After the start of the war, Japan's spectacular Malayan Campaign had brought under her control considerable numbers of Indian prisoners of war, nearly 55,000 after the Fall of Singapore alone. The conditions of service within the British Indian Army as well as the conditions in Malaya had fed dissension among these troops. From these troops, the First Indian National Army was formed under Mohan Singh and received considerable Japanese aid and support

Indian National Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Above is what Wiki say about Indians who change side. Basically 40-60% of British soldiers in Malayan campaign are Indians. And around 80% survive the Malayan campaign. That is to say, they fight like cowards.
 
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