Simitis: Turkey-Greece war would last 2 hours

[Deno]

cant pakistan sell some nukes or technology for it i heard an ex president even offered it for us

Most of the Pakistan's nuclear knowledge came from China and stolen US nuclear secrets by Turkish diplomats... We already have enough knowledge to develop a nuclear warhead... What we need for nuclear warhead is not knowledge, its scientists... Both Clinton and Bush signed orders to let Turkish scientist to have access to US civil nuclear files... So We have what we need for nuclear warhead but accuring nuclear arsenal is not just know-how...

Turkey can not developed nuclear warheads not because of her incapibilty but because Turkey is already percieved as agressive nation by world thanks to Armenian and Greek diasporas... Adding a nuclear to our list is not something Turkey would want or could handle...

But from new goverment policy, I think we are waiting for Iran to explode her own bomb even though Irans army is not a big threat towards Turkish Armend Forces we can justify our own nuclear arsenal. Turkey already started to developed long ranged missiles -its not certain if we are going for ballistic or cruise, but propably cruise because when our head of TUBITAK announced these news he also mentioned our newly developed cruise misslile SOM-, This way with both Israel and Iran as nuclear states. there won't be much voice against Turkish nuclear warheads and propably US will have to back Turkey for balance the regional power.

 

[RazPaK]

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Wtf?


I think you need to read up on our nuclear program. LOL.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

this is unnecessary a discussion. If Turkey and Pakistan working together anybody can't knows that. Pakistan allways helped to us in history if we need anything they are again help to us we know that.

 

[RazPaK]

It's not a big deal if technology is passed on from one people to another. That's the way it's always worked in history. However saying that some turks and chinese gave us some tools and a blue print to develop our nuclear program is laughable.

 

[Deno]

It's not a big deal if technology is passed on from one people to another. That's the way it's always worked in history. However saying that some turks and chinese gave us some tools and a blue print to develop our nuclear program is laughable.

Did I seem to insult Pakistan or her work on nuclear knowledge? There was an investigetions for this in 2005... you can found a lot of articles in this issiue in internet...

Pakistan Turkey always shared both intelligence and know-how...

 

[RazPaK]

Did I seem to insult Pakistan or her work on nuclear knowledge? There was an investigetions for this in 2005... you can found a lot of articles in this issiue in internet...

Pakistan Turkey always shared both intelligence and know-how...

No insults taken. Just made me laugh. I will say one last thing on the subject.

There were Pakistani Scientists working on the original, Manhattan Project, so I find it funny that we got all of our "Nuclear Knowledge" from China or Turkey.

 

[Armstrong]

Most of the Pakistan's nuclear knowledge came from China and stolen US nuclear secrets by Turkish diplomats... We already have enough knowledge to develop a nuclear warhead... What we need for nuclear warhead is not knowledge, its scientists... Both Clinton and Bush signed orders to let Turkish scientist to have access to US civil nuclear files... So We have what we need for nuclear warhead but accuring nuclear arsenal is not just know-how...

Turkey can not developed nuclear warheads not because of her incapibilty but because Turkey is already percieved as agressive nation by world thanks to Armenian and Greek diasporas... Adding a nuclear to our list is not something Turkey would want or could handle...

But from new goverment policy, I think we are waiting for Iran to explode her own bomb even though Irans army is not a big threat towards Turkish Armend Forces we can justify our own nuclear arsenal. Turkey already started to developed long ranged missiles -its not certain if we are going for ballistic or cruise, but propably cruise because when our head of TUBITAK announced these news he also mentioned our newly developed cruise misslile SOM-, This way with both Israel and Iran as nuclear states. there won't be much voice against Turkish nuclear warheads and propably US will have to back Turkey for balance the regional power.

That is news to me and may I say, contrary to the accepted version out there.

 

[Deno]

No insults taken. Just made me laugh. I will say one last thing on the subject.

There were Pakistani Scientists working on the original, Manhattan Project, so I find it funny that we got all of our "Nuclear Knowledge" from China or Turkey.

All? I don't seem to recall saying all... You can research ''Sibel Edmonds'' if you want... And in 2001 Department of Defense report mentioned that when Pakistan was strugling with sanctions for nuclear meterials China supplied Pakistan with both needed metarials and helped them to build facilities...

 

[silko]

wasn't it a Khan or someone that gave Pakistan nuke knowledge or something?

watched a documentary not so long ago, but can't remember the name of it. it was about nukes and terrorists or something similar.

 

[RazPaK]

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Abdul Qadir Khan. He stole many blueprints from the west for centrifuges. He is our hero.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

no way ever will US back us in a war with isreal never ever the only country they will stay neutral is wil UK in case of UK-Israel war ( will never happen but still)

 

[BaybarsHan]

we must only wait the greeks give there country to us for free without war.

 

[Mehmet]

can someone please tell me why we dont try to develop nucleur missiles we need to if we want to be a world power otherwise we will never pass a regional power to a world power we need some nukes

Turkey cannot become a world power with the inclusion of nuclear missiles, rather world power status is awarded to nations that have global clout in the form of economic and political influence. Nuclear power remains to this day as a deterrent only. For Turkey to become armed with her own developed nukes would mean the instant and overnight complete s*** f*** up of the region as relationship based border lines between existing rivals and "friends" are re-drawn upsetting the current status-quo big time. Additionally we are calling for a nuclear free region and Turkey would have 0 credibility if we were to be armed with nukes of our own additionally it would also increase the desire of our current rivals who do not have nuclear missiles to arms themselves with such WMDs making any future military conflict involving Turkey far more dangerous then it already is.

The only circumstance where Turkey develops and arms herself with nuclear missiles is if we leave NATO or an already nuclear power in the region lowers their relationship with us to almost war like level of hostility and subsequent access to nukes on our soil as provided by the nuclear sharing agreement is denied.

 

[Mehmet]

I cannot comment on the balance of trade. It has been a long and steady demise of the manufacturing in Greece.

It is logical that you as a Turk, see only the Greek opposite you. It makes sense, but it also hides the truth.

You for example are unaware (because you don't have to), that EU regulations forced Greece to reduce its produce year after year after year.

Farming and industry have been funded to essentially go still. i.e. stop.

I just noticed this & what total bollocks!!! The EU by it's very design is an economic union intended to increase trade
between member states through market liberalization for individual member nations, ie: businesses are meant to through the democratic process be no longer anchored in their own domestic market but expand to foreign markets protected by a common set of laws and agreements, yet 90% of Greek businesses remained under the ownership of the corrupt Greek government despite joining an economic union who's function and eventual tighter integration was meant to be through the co-dependence that multinationals would eventually bring about.

It is the Greek government's fault for not privatizing your economy when it should have & lol now your all paying for it Your confusing pressure for market liberalization from the EU as unfair treatment of Greek output, although a country full of xenophobes cannot be blamed for viewing everyone as the enemy lol.

Honestly where is the logic??? Why do you always blame others for your mistakes, I mean do you even understand just how total bs your statement is my dear paranoid Greek friend? It's like the absurdity of blaming say NATO for the pressure that they place on a member country that is communist who promised their way into the alliance but does not want to change LMFAO.

Your education, your government and your mindset is what has placed yourself into this mess!! When Greek farmers cannot compete with prices of German and French imported base foodstuffs, that is not because they are undercutting the Greek market but because your farming industry is not competitive

and I will not only say/express this regarding Greece but there are members of other unions/international bodies that are not suitable for membership. Haiti for example virtually collapsed when it joined the WTO & I believe that Pakistan was not ready when it joined the WTO since joining the WTO Pakistan has experienced a flood of imports seriously destabilizing her import/export ratio.

But Greeks take the cake for joining an economic union thinking it would be a blank check/political union However some treaties within the EU are totally unfair one called something like schenegen or some such basically uses Greece as a virtual dumping ground for illegal immigrants LMFAO no way is Turkey going to sign such a stupid treaty especially if we are not a member lol

 

[XILLAX]

wasn't it a Khan or someone that gave Pakistan nuke knowledge or something?

watched a documentary not so long ago, but can't remember the name of it. it was about nukes and terrorists or something similar.

do u mean this documentary ?

World War?! Israel - Turkey - Weltkrieg eine frage der zeit?! Israel - Türkei- usa etc - YouTube