Simitis: Turkey-Greece war would last 2 hours

[amalakas]

Except that Greece has no money to ever pay back. The talk RIGHT NOW in Brussels is about the near certainty of Greece defaulting. The German 'profit' is about as real as a dotcom business plan.

Germany is bailing out Greece, not because it makes any financial sense whatsoever, but because is is an ego thing. The entire raison d'être of the EU (and Euro) was a Franco-German attempt to challenge US (and USD) domination. On both counts, the attempt failed and any fissures within the EU would be unbearable to France and Germany.

You have a superficial knowledge of the situation, allow me as a greek to know more.

If you think the reasons for the discussed bailout are the ones you mentioned, you have a lot of reading and catching up to do.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Anadolulu insani, Anadolu topraklarinda herzaman yasamis olan insanlardir. Tabiki Asyadan vesaire göc olmusdur, ama bugünki Turkiyede yasayan insanlarin büyük bir cogunlugu Anadolulu. Eger denildigi gibi Mogolistan civarindan gelseydik, ozaman dedigin gibi cekik gözlü olmamiz lazimdi. Genetik arastirmalarda zaten bunu gayet acik sekilde gösteriyor. Bu utanilacak veya kötü birsey degil, tersine iyi bir sey. Islami cok erken kabul eden ve sunni müslimanligi en cok koruyan topluluk biz anadoluluyuz. Neden bos yerine milliyetcilerin agizndan düsürmedigi sacmaliklarla kafamizi yoralim? Eninde sonunda milli duygudan cok daha önemlisi dini duygu. Milliyetcilik avrupalilara asil has. Biz müslüman olarak hic bir zaman, su türk bu kürt bu arap vesaire ayirt etmememiz lazim. Hepisi gözümüzde esit olmasi lazim.

My keyboard is danish that is why i can't write certain turkish lettes such as &#351;, &#305; etc <--- those letters are copy pasted

We didn't come from Mongolia, we came from modern day Turkmenistan, Khorasan. And ethnic mixture started in Central Asia when Turanid clans moved westwards, genetic intermarriages started in Central Asia let's say during 600's and 700's.

Turks founded Karakhanid, Ghaznavid Khwarzmshah dynasties on Tajik lands, it is natural to intermix. Therefore we call ourselves Oghuz Türks to differentiate ourselves from Qipchaks or Sabars.

Secondly, when someone takes religion from a human, then human starts to ask what am I? Modern day humans are not religious unlike their ancestors were. Even some of them despise religious people. These kind of people are dangerous, they can be manipulated. They can be bought. They can even be Armenian, fake or not.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

We didn't come from Mongolia, we came from modern day Turkmenistan, Khorasan. And ethnic mixture started in Central Asia when Turanid clans moved westwards, genetic intermarriages started in Central Asia let's say during 600's and 700's.

Turks founded Karakhanid, Ghaznavid Khwarzmshah dynasties on Tajik lands, it is natural to intermix. Therefore we call ourselves Oghuz Türks to differentiate ourselves from Qipchaks or Sabars.

Secondly, when someone takes religion from a human, then human starts to ask what am I? Modern day humans are not religious unlike their ancestors were. Even some of them despise religious people. These kind of people are dangerous, they can be manipulated. They can be bought. They can even be Armenian, fake or not.

Look brother, we have similar ideas and ideals but we have to accept certain facts. The Central Asian thesis is disproved by genetic studies. We as Turks are primarily a caucas (kafkas) and asian people. But certainly not entirely from Central Asia. We have some minor remains of Central Asian origin but that is very small percentage. If we were indeed from Central Asia we would look much more like Kazakhs, Turkmens etc. As this source indicates " Orta Asya kaynaklar&#305;n&#305;n üzerindeki a&#351;&#305;r&#305; vurguya ra&#287;men,[2] Anadolu Türklerinin bölgeye özgü bir ezici ço&#287;unlukta olduklar&#305; ve Mo&#287;ol &#305;rk&#305; bak&#305;m&#305;ndan hiçbir anlam&#305; olmad&#305;klar&#305; karar&#305;na var&#305;lm&#305;&#351;t&#305;r" Türklerin kökeni - Vikipedi
You can also read the english page if you wish. Furthermore i do not understand why some are trying so hard to indicate that modern Turks are of Central Asian descent. What is wrong with being descendant of Anatolia? We have a past we should be proud of.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Fine you have your way, I have mine.

 

[silko]

What are you tlaking yout dude? Feroes Islands are in Europe and I have never seen anybody here in Europe claiming it otherwise.

Faroe islanders aren't considered European!

They built the EU out of scratch, they are holding it together and they are financing it. Therefore, they have every right to decide who comes in and who should be kept outside.

ehm. EU is supposed to be democratic, where is the democracy here? it is pure prejudiced union. Serbia who has a muslim hating majority searched for a membership in the union after us and still has a bigger chance of getting in.

it's this prejudice, hatred, fear that makes sarkozy and merkele not wanting us in EU. they know their power will shrink. so therefor comes up with stupid demands.

i'm not for EU, what i am trying to say is. why all this prejudice against Turkey, even Croatia's prime minister went out and said EU (especially France and Germany) should stop being prejudiced against Turkey. Great Britain supports us. they dont ***** and moan about "the evil Turks"

 

[Developereo]

You have a superficial knowledge of the situation, allow me as a greek to know more.

If you think the reasons for the discussed bailout are the ones you mentioned, you have a lot of reading and catching up to do.

On the contrary, I have an objective assessment of the situation, untainted by national pride or regional chauvinism.

Most independent analysts believe that countries like Greece and Portugal have never been in the same economic league as Germany or Holland.

 

[Porus]

Faroe islanders aren't considered European!

Who says that? Hardly anybody would know anything in the mainland Europe if asked anything about the Faroe Islands, but still I want to know the answer to my question?*

ehm. EU is supposed to be democratic, where is the democracy here? it is p[qure prejudiced union. Serbia who has a muslim hating majority searched for a membership in the union after us and still has a bigger chance of getting in.

it's this prejudice, hatred, fear that makes sarkozy and merkele not wanting us in EU. they know their power will shrink. so therefor comes up with stupid demands.

i'm not for EU, what i am trying to say is. why all this prejudice against Turkey, even Croatia's prime minister went out and said EU (especially France and Germany) should stop being prejudiced against Turkey. Great Britain supports us. they dont ***** and moan about "the evil Turks"

GB wants Turkey to be a member of Eu because her only and ture ally American wants so. This is the main reason of Britain's current stance on this issue. First of all the Britain itself should become a complete member of the Union before it speaks for other nations, nobody knows what they actually want. De gaulle had rejected their first two applications for the EU membership, he was of the opinion that Britain would be an American Trojan horse. The old man knew the British in and out. Forget what the government says, read the comments of normal citizens in any British newspaper and see how most of them vehemently oppose Turkish accession to the EU. The main reason according to the people is that culturally and geographically Turkey is not an European country.

 

[amalakas]

On the contrary, I have an objective assessment of the situation, untainted by national pride or regional chauvinism.

Most independent analysts believe that countries like Greece and Portugal have never been in the same economic league as Germany or Holland.

That still doesn't mean that german taxpayers are paying for the Greek bailout or that they are saving Greece out of ego.

There are solid political and economic reasons that you don't seem to grasp.

Do you know how much time it will take the world to fully appreciate the effects of LB? about 15 years.

God knows how long it will take to evaluate the effects of a Greek default when so many banks and hedge funds are involved in the billions.

 

[Cerian]

The main reason according to the people is that culturally and geographically Turkey is not an European country.

Like as if there is a common European identity...

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Turkey needs to respect Greece and Leave Cyprus end of story.

 

[Developereo]

That still doesn't mean that german taxpayers are paying for the Greek bailout or that they are saving Greece out of ego.

There are solid political and economic reasons that you don't seem to grasp.

Do you know how much time it will take the world to fully appreciate the effects of LB? about 15 years.

God knows how long it will take to evaluate the effects of a Greek default when so many banks and hedge funds are involved in the billions.

The economic logic for/against the bailout is the old adage about throwing good money after bad. At some point, you have to realize that you are not going to get your money back and it's time to cut the losses. The motivation for the bailout is purely political (i.e. ego). Germany and France can not let Greece fail because that would amount to an admission that the EU has failed.

 

[Cerian]

Germany and France can not let Greece fail because that would amount to an admission that the EU has failed.

If you happen to follow recent WEF Davos meetings, clearly no one even questioned about the fact of failure of EU's monetary policies. So, I agree with you completely, its all about saving the face.

 

[Porus]

Greece bailout can cost up to &#8364; 145 billion and they also want to have direct control over Greek budget. I am sure this will sink Greece further into crisis. They didn't learn anything from last times high interest loan that raised Greece's interest repayment to a new hight.

 

[amalakas]

Greece bailout can cost up to &#8364; 145 billion and they also want to have direct control over Greek budget. I am sure this will sink Greece further into crisis. They didn't learn anything from last times high interest loan that raised Greece's interest repayment to a new hight.

No they haven't learned anything. The approach to solving the crisis is absolutely the wrong one.

Greece didn't need the bailout in the first place, all it needed was low interest rates to carry on borrowing in a rolling kind of way.

 

[Quasar]

dont know may be you guys should turn back to your national currency! at least your centeral bank may have some authonomy and start functioning! understandably you economy is in recesson and people are expecting you guys to pay your dept with shrinking tax revenus and via budget cuts!??? madness!!