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Similarities of NAZI Germany under Hitler & forthcoming HINDUTVA India under Modi

Since Indians can’t take a punch, they only go after the defenseless.
That I agree. For instance they show bluster to Pakistan, a country 7 times smaller in population but remain incredibly restrained with a country it's own size, China.


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The Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, and none Brahmins/high caste Indians need to respond to Indian bullying. Indians only respond if they get a punch in the face as they are only civilized enough to respond only to violence, not reasoning.
Modi could be the best thing since sliced bread, By pushing this Hindutva thing he the space for minorities like Muslims, Christians, Bhuddists and Sikhs is squezzed. That might hopefully led to those minorities fighting back causing civil war although as most are of untouchable stock particulary the Muslims, Christians I don't expect much reaction - they along with the 25% Dalits have India are so used to be the mud under the feet for 5,000 years that they won't do anything but take the burden.
 
Similarities of Nazi Germany under Hitler & forthcoming HINDUTVA India under Modi

The last 5 years and especially forthcoming scenario after coming elections of India is very similar to Nazi Germany under the time of Hitler.

The situation can be
ascertained by the recent BJP tweet in which the BJP tweet indirectly yet quite explicitly said in clear terms that they will remove Muslims from India after coming into power.




Similarities

1) RSS was founded in 1925 after being inspired from Nazi party. It's political arm is the current ruling party of India i.e. BJP. RSS is similar to paramilitary organization of Hitler's SS.

2) SS used to terrorize anyone who opposed Hitler. They used to do riots, beat people and even murder them on the streets even before Hitler came into power. Today, the same thing is happening in India under Modi where Hindutva gangs are beating/murdering Muslims on the streets under Modi.

3) Nazis installed its members after coming into power in bureaucracy, judiciary and military. Modi in India has done the same thing by installing RSS thugs in bureaucracy,
judiciary and military.

4) SS used to recruit, brainwash and train youth to use weapons and physical force. Today in India RSS is doing the same thing by running gangs of Shakhas.

5) Hindutvas present India’s Hindu majority as a victim by stoking fears of being outnumbered one day, and claiming that Hindus are under threat and attack from the country’s minorities. They use this pretext to justify violence and exclusion as "self- defense".
Nazis used to do the same thing.

6) After Hitler came into power in 1933, he gave all his attention to Nazification of Germany. Today, the Hindutva-fication of India will be completed after Modi gets his second term.

7) Education was Nazified during Hitler's era and false and bullshit history used to be taught to students. Today in India, education has been completely under the spell of Hindutvas who have erased the entire history of India under Muslims. While bullshit history lessons like ancient 5000 year old spacecrafts invented by Hindus is being taught.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...ndians-had-airplanes-stem-cell-technology-and

8) Media in Nazi era used to be nothing more than propaganda tool for Nazis who used to brainwash their nation into hating Jews. Today, Indian media is nothing more than propaganda tool propagating hate against Muslims and Pakistan.

9) Nazis and Hitler were helped and funded by industrialist tycoons like Krupp etc. Today, industrial tycoons like Ambani are helping BJP and Modi in India.

10) During the reign of Hitler, German nation hated Jews to the core. No matter whether they are professors or highly educated people or masses. Today, in India almost every Hindu, even the ones who call themselves liberal, hates Muslims, their history, their religion fundamentally.

Future Plans

1) Hitler after coming into power sent military forces and annexed Rhineland permanently. Today, even though the political autonomy of Indian occupied Kashmir is just a farce but BJP has said that they will remove this special status of Kashmir as well. Which means that they will do settlement of Hindus in Kashmir and remove Kashmiris from their lands just like Israel is doing in occupied Palestine.

2) Hitler after coming into power removed Jews from their posts, banned their businesses and started revoking their citizenship. Today, BJP is saying that it will also revoke the nationality of Muslims in India. Which would mean all Muslims in India would end up without a country.

3) Hindutvas want to create a Hindu Rashtra which is only for Hindus similar to Nazi Germany only for Germans.

4) Hitler and Nazis believed in ideology of Greater Germany. They waged a war and burned Europe and Germany in trying to achieve their dream. Hindutvas under Modi also believe in ideology of Greater India from Myanmar to Bamyan (Afghanistan). And they know that as long as Pakistan is standing, their dream of Greater India will only remain a Hindu's wet dream. To create Greater India, BJP/RSS wants a final war with Pakistan.

Pakistan should be ready as war is coming for us whether we want it or not........

@Rashid Mahmood
BS.

We are not the Jews.

We (with some help) can protect ourselves and turn the tables on the Hindu Nazi wannabes.
 
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Is there a differance? Nope. They are all manifestions of the same enemy. Indira Gandhi's India sliced Pakistan in half. Nehru's India occupied Kashmir. Rajiv's India occupied Siachin. Bajpayee's India almost attacked Pakistan. Kashmir, the bone of contention has been continously occupied by India, through decades, through dozen leaders.

So Modi is no differant. His is the latest face of a enemy of 70 years.

True!!

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But this time, the enemy is openly hostile. Not the usual Hindu's philosophy of
"Baghal men Churi or munh men Ram Ram".

So BJP/Modi is good for Pakistan. Modi/BJP will do to India what Pakistan couldn't do to India in 70 years. Disintegration of India due to civil war is on the cards now.

An openly hostile enemy is better than a hidden enemy.....
 
I beg to differ. Thus far Nehru is the leading contender in the damage he did to Pakistan and even arguably South Asian peace. He was the reason we have a 70 year, three wars Kashmir and nuke face down, followed by his daughter Indira who was responsible for Bangla. By comparison Modi is just puffed up hooligan.

There is no difference. You are perfectly right, on the factual basis. I was referring to the inner intentions. Modi's misfortune, from the Indian perspective, would be that, under the prevailing constrained circumstances, opportunities to damage Pakistan are limited, in comparison with Nehru's and Indira's times.
 
Had Hitler not ruled Germany , it would have been one of the greatest power of our time. But he broke the backbone of an economically and militarily powerful country because of war mongering and hatred.


Same goes for India, although India is far poorer and has far less resources than Germany , things would have been different if India had a better leadership over the last 5 years. Numerous opportunities have been missed by India. India would have been a model for the smaller countries in the region. However India decided to chose path of Hindu supremacy and Hinduvata ideology which is destined to fail and collapse. If Modi's BJP comes to power again you ll see further deterioration of Indian social fabric.
Modi is a third class caricature of even Mussolini. Forget Hitler.

There is no comparison.

Hitler's Germany still had the support of its people who had a great civilization. What do the Hindus have except an apartheid Brahminical system and anti Muslim hatred? Will they make a Olympic stadium out of this hatred?
@Joe Shearer
 
Modi is a third class caricature of even Mussolini. Forget Hitler.

There is no comparison.

Hitler's Germany still had the support of its people who had a great civilization. What do the Hindus have except an apartheid Brahminical system and anti Muslim hatred? Will they make a Olympic stadium out of this hatred?
@Joe Shearer

You are wrong. Hitler's popularity at his peak, before grabbing power and turning elections into farce, got him 37% votes.
While Modi is in a way even much more popular than Hitler in India.
 
You are wrong. Hitler's popularity at his peak, before grabbing power and turning elections into farce, got him 37% votes.
While Modi is in a way even much more popular than Hitler in India.
I am not talking about his popularity but his efficacy.

even if 100% of Hindus support him they wont be able to do what Hitler did to the Jews.

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But this time, the enemy is openly hostile. Not the usual Hindu's philosophy of
"Baghal men Churi or munh men Ram Ram".

So BJP/Modi is good for Pakistan. Modi/BJP will do to India what Pakistan couldn't do to India in 70 years. Disintegration of India due to civil war is on the cards now.

An openly hostile enemy is better than a hidden enemy.....
Which museum is this?
 
@Reddington my dear Pak,


Please, dig into how much money people made from this Modi regime period.

Beating up minorities and killing of untouchables is nothing new. Has been going on for 1000s of years.

By the way, maybe some old people can tell you that before Pak became a reality... there used to be a grand segregation... even for water... one tap for muslims and the other one for hindus... obviously better one for hindus.

Long list. #ThankyouJinnah

RSS's marriage with big capital along with NRIs form a nexis... more of fascist state... NAZIs are quite popular in India... has to be admitted. Hitler is still famous and his book is still selling there...

Regardless, what India does or does not is not our affair.

Pak is only interested in IoJK, Sir Creek, part of Thur desert, part of Bhawalpur state and of course, recovery of that little statue of dancing girl.

Rest it is upto Indians what they do with their own.

NAZIs committed crimes against humanity on an industrialised base. And must be condnmed on every turn.

A year or so ago I posted a few threads about rise of fascism in India... source material was from an Indian author.

In a nutshell all stages of fascism a state goes through before big capital, religion and popular political rhetoric can combine to achieve their total control of state machinery for the benefit of the fascist elite.

Quite recently Congress leader exposed how RAW and BJP profited from demonitisation by using IAF planes to smugle fake Indian ruppee... more than 100 billion dollar scam.

Same in the case of Orangification of India... The fundamental question: Who benefits?

A point to ponder: Pak has been under the occupation of unionists, big capital and #DieselMullahs... we have seen what it did. Lucky for Pak that both the State and Pepole are going back to the original Purpose.

Over to you...

Regards,

Mangus
 
Rest it is upto Indians what they do with their own.

I believe there will be a war (might be limited in Kashmir or a total all out war) in September/October. By that time Modi/BJP would have removed special status of Kashmir.
Even if a war not happens now, it will definitely happen later. Certainly not more than 2 years.

The real question is are we ready????
Shouldn't we have we removed this corrupt system by now and recovered the looted money???
Is the present leadership competent/clean/honest?????
 
I believe there will be a war (might be limited in Kashmir or a total all out war) in September/October. By that time Modi/BJP would have removed special status of Kashmir.
Even if a war not happens now, it will definitely happen later. Certainly not more than 2 years.

The real question is are we ready????
Shouldn't we have we removed this corrupt system by now and recovered the looted money???
Is the present leadership competent/clean/honest?????
Imo you don't need a military to defeat a nation that is rotten from within
 
Well, well, well......
Looks like it has started. Now even more lynching and killings of Muslims are taking place in India under Modi's second term.

This is just a mere trailer btw for the things to come in the future.








 
As the Hindu Rashtra Project Rolls on, It’s Time to Consider What the End Goal Is

The long-term aim is a Hindutva version of Israel.

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We are not there yet, but the warning bells have been sounded. Illustration: Pariplab Chakraborty
Achin Vanaik

12/JUN/2019

How should we understand the concept of ‘Hindu Rashtra’ or ‘Hindu Nation’? Is it a reality or a project? Spokespersons of the Sangh Parivar sometimes do talk of Hindu Rashtra as an already long-existing entity but nevertheless also speak of the need to ‘transform’ India. This suggests it is a project yet to be completed.

Today, the hold of Hindutva has reached a new level – a hegemony across geographical space and social depth which, according to its acolytes, must be further widened and deepened.

But what is the end goal? When can the project be said to have been fulfilled? The fact is that a proper Hindu Rashtra cannot be secured until a Hindu state in all but name (or even explicitly) is established.

For a long period in its history, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) believed that the construction of a Hindu Rashtra required keeping a certain distance from the politically and morally corrupting influence of the state.

From the mid-1970s, this changed and occupying state power came to be seen as vital for building and institutionalising the structures that would undergird a permanent Hindu Rashtra.

Also read: Why Hindutva’s Dark Fantasy About India’s Muslims Could Become Real

As a result, two shifts have taken place over time. First, the balance in the relationship between the Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP), on one hand, and the RSS and other Sangh bodies on the other has shifted towards the BJP.

Second, there is a shift within the BJP towards much greater centralisation of power and authority for Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the select coterie around him. But it is the cadres and activists of the other main bodies of the Sangh that is vital for maintaining the electoral machine of the BJP and also for carrying out the homogenising drive within the broader society.

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi meets with cabinet ministers and BJP Office Bearers at on July 2, 2014.

There is no escape now or later from a partnership between the BJP and the RSS and other key agencies within the Sangh; this means the Sangh is never going to be a basically one-person show.

While credit must go to the intellectuals of the Left who first and consistently highlighted the far-right fascistic (for some straightforwardly fascist) character of the BJP and Sangh, they now aver that there will not be a fascist state per se.

Liberals were more prone to talking about the BJP as a “rightwing force with an unfortunate communal dimension” but were hopeful that the responsibilities of power at the Centre would help to moderate this aspect. But if there is not going to be a one party dictatorship led by a ‘supremo’ that eliminates all basic features of democracy – and indeed retains, for crucial legitimising purposes, an electoral system at all levels of governance whose results can be broadly trusted as accurate – then what is the end goal?

It is not enough to say that in the coming period we can expect efforts to hollow out Indian democracy from within – through restrictions on the exercise of civil liberties of various kinds, through imposition of existing repressive laws, more manipulation and indirect influence of the public media, making favoured appointments and seeking to suborn investigating agencies and other sections of the civil services as well as the Election Commission and Supreme Court. This would be a continuation of what was being done in Modi’s first term and can be expected.


To move forward in establishing an enduring ‘Hindu Rashtra’, there will have to be the effort to push through a raft of new laws below the level of the constitution that will render Muslims, in particular, as second class citizens while providing certain individual and collective rights to Hindus not available for other religious communities.

Of course, there will be an effort to achieve a sufficient majority in both houses of parliament to make constitutional changes that the BJP and Sangh have long sought. These will not stop at repudiating Article 370 but will extend to securing special status for Hindus perhaps in ways similar to Nepal where the state is formally declared as secular but this is then undermined by the provision of a special status for Hinduism, i.e., “protection of Sanatan religion culture”.

The longer-term aim is a Hindutva version of Israel. Some observers, such as Christopher Jaffrelot, have recognised this. But they have accepted the dangerously misleading term “ethnic democracy” coined by Professor Sammy Smooha to rationalise and basically provide an excuse for Israel’s existence as a Jewish state with formalised second class citizenship for its Arab Palestinian population.

So yes, “ethnic democracy” means there are undemocratic features in Israel, but overall it can pass off as a democracy; a view supported by many pro-Israel liberals and of course by many Western and other governments keen to consolidate relations with the apartheid and therefore anti-democratic state of Israel It should not be forgotten that apartheid South Africa was held by many Western democracies to be the only democracy in Southern Africa even as they lamented its treatment of non-whites as second class.

A Hindu Rashtra will be a fundamentally undemocratic state and society but with various democratic features certainly for the religious majority and even extending somewhat beyond. But like Israel, which does not have a caste system requiring internal structures supporting ruthless repression by upper castes, it will not be a democracy.

No matter which party in Israel comes to power through the electoral process – whether it is considered Left, Right or centrist – this will not change the fundamental character of Israel as a Jewish state. Hindutva too will strive to create a similar political reality no matter which other party ascends to New Delhi.

Two other broad similarities of purpose can be seen. First, no party in Israel will allow any part of the occupied territories to secure full independent sovereignty. They must keep overall control over the land. The status of Jammu and Kashmir is totally different from Palestine in international law but the parallel with Israeli policy is that no party in India will contemplate full respect for the autonomy of Jammu and Kashmir, as was originally envisaged at the time of its accession, or even accord the people of the state the same respect for their human rights as people elsewhere in India expect under the constitution.

For both the Israeli and Indian political classes, “land is more important than the people”. Brutality over a deeply alienated people will reign. While Israel can offer varying degrees of autonomy – always retractable – in place of the international law obligation to end its illegal occupation of Palestinian territory and even contemplate annexation of larger and larger swathes of this land, the BJP will seek to eliminate the two articles of the constitution that give legal expression to J&K’s accession – Section 35A and 370.

While other ruling parties at the Centre have all presided over massive erosion in the autonomy to the state promised in 1948, the BJP would like to do away with autonomy as a legal category altogether.


Second, Israel has the ‘right of return’ for Jews all over the world as an integral part of its citizenship law. Similarly, the BJP is pursuing through the Citizenship Amendment Bill the initiation of a similar ‘right of return’ for non-Muslim Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Afghans and may eventually expand this to include persons of ‘Indic’ religions from outside the South Asian region too.

There is, of course, one basic difference between these two viciously exclusivist and undemocratic projects.

Zionism is happy to ride piggyback on current Islamophobia. However, its fundamental enemy is not Islam but Palestinians – regardless of whether they are atheists, Muslims or Christians. It is, therefore, a more tolerant religious state.

For Hindutva, however, anti-Muslimness is foundational and the Hindu Rashtra will be an intolerant religious state.

We are not there yet, but the warning bells have been sounded.

Achin Vanaik is a writer and social activist, a former professor at the University of Delhi and Delhi-based Fellow of the Transnational Institute, Amsterdam. He is the author of The Painful Transition: Bourgeois Democracy in India and The Rise of Hindu Authoritarianism.

https://thewire.in/politics/hindu-rashtra-project-end-goal
 

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