Siachen Glacier, Fighting On The Roof Of The World

[Rafi]

Really don't you know.. how many millions Taimur the lame murdered?

Timur was a man of his time, it is useless to equate a medieval person, from the enlightened 21st Century, he killed people who resisted him, city's that surrendered were treated well.

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The Mongol's that stayed and lived and died there, and have their descendant's in Pakistan are certainly Pakistani

The ones that settled in our land's belong to us.

 

[HinduAtheist]

Of course - he belonged to the Geographical Area of Pakistan ie the Indus Valley. As I have mentioned before - my village is planning to build a monument in Jhelum to Porus, with a large Pakistani Flag.

Right Porus belonged to what is Modern day pakistan However anything beyond the Indus was called "India" before partition


Indian Subcontinent ring a bell? That includes... India, pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, etc...
Hence Colombus' travel to find India

The English term is from Greek Ἰνδία (Indía), via Latin India. Iindía in Byzantine (Koine Greek) ethnography denotes the region beyond the Indus (Ἰνδό&#962 river, since Herodotus (5th century BC) ἡ Ἰνδική χώρη, hē Indikē chōrē; "Indian land", Ἰνδός, Indos, "an Indian", from Avestan Hinduš (referring to Sindh, and listed as a conquered territory by Darius I in the Persepolis terrace inscription). The name is derived ultimately from Sindhu, the Sanskrit name of the river, but also meaning "river" generically. Latin India is used by Lucian (2nd century).

The name India was known in Old English, and was used in King Alfred's translation of Orosius. In Middle English, the name was, under French influence, replaced by Ynde or Inde, which entered Early Modern English as Indie. The name India then came back to English usage from the 17th century onwards, and may be due to the influence of Latin, or Spanish or Portuguese.

Sanskrit indu "drop (of Soma)", also a term for the Moon, is unrelated, but has sometimes been erroneously connected, listed by, among others, Colonel James Todd in his Annals of Rajputana. Todd describes ancient India as under control of tribes claiming descent from the Moon, or "Indu" (referring to Chandravanshi Rajputs)

Tenjiku (天竺?) (meaning "center of heaven") is the obsolete Japanese word for ancient India.


Five Indies Xuanzang c.650 The circumference of 五印 (Modern Chinese: Wǔ Yìn, the Five Indies) is about 90,000 li; on three sides it is bounded by a great sea; on the north it is backed by snowy mountains. It is wide at the north and narrow at the south; its figure is that of a half-moon."

Indoi, Indou c. 140 Arrian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The boundary of the land of India towards the north is Mount Taurus. It is not still called Taurus in this land; but Taurus begins from the sea over against Pamphylia and Lycia and Cilicia; and reaches as far as the Eastern Ocean, running right across Asia. But the mountain has different names in different places; in one, Parapamisus, in another Hemodus; elsewhere it is called Imaon, and perhaps has all sorts of other names; but the Macedonians who fought with Alexander called it Caucasus; another Caucasus, that is, not the Scythian; so that the story ran that Alexander came even to the far side of the Caucasus. The western part of India is bounded by the river Indus right down to the ocean, where the river runs out by two mouths, not joined together as are the five mouths of the Ister; but like those of the Nile, by which the Egyptian delta is formed; thus also the Indian delta is formed by the river Indus, not less than the Egyptian; and this in the Indian tongue is called Pattala. Towards the south this ocean bounds the land of India, and eastward the sea itself is the boundary. The southern part near Pattala and the mouths of the Indus were surveyed by Alexander and Macedonians, and many Greeks; as for the eastern part, Alexander did not traverse this beyond the river Hyphasis. A few historians have described the parts which are this side of the Ganges and where are the mouths of the Ganges and the city of Palimbothra, the greatest Indian city on the Ganges. (...) The Indian rivers are greater than any others in Asia; greatest are the Ganges and the Indus, whence the land gets its name; each of these is greater than the Nile of Egypt and the Scythian Ister, even were these put together; my own idea is that even the Acesines is greater than the Ister and the Nile, where the Acesines having taken in the Hydaspes, Hydraotes, and Hyphasis, runs into the Indus, so that its breadth there becomes thirty stades. Possibly also other greater rivers run through the land of India."

 

[ares]

Timur was a man of his time, it is useless to equate a medieval person, from the enlightened 21st Century, he killed people who resisted him, city's that surrendered were treated well.



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The ones that settled in our land's belong to us.

My question remains why Taimur is a Pakistani and Geghis is not?

 

[blackops]

Is she 1,000 years old, that she managed to burn Babur and Ghazanavi -

LOL ASK the dead soldier who died while trying to get her land she was the bravest woman of gond dynasty no muslim ruler was able to conquer her either there hands were choped of or they were burnt alive

 

[Rafi]

There were two civilizations that unfortunately get lumped together, the Indus based and the Ganges based, the Ganges based is yours and the Indus based is ours, india is not and has never been a nation. It was a geographic term, like middle east.

 

[blackops]

Is she 1,000 years old, that she managed to burn Babur and Ghazanavi -

and yeah one more thing she was the daughter of Vidyadhar who repulsed the muslim attacks of Mahmud Ghaznavi.

 

[Rafi]

LOL ASK the dead soldier who died while trying to get her land she was the bravest woman of gond dynasty no muslim ruler was able to conquer her either there hands were choped of or they were burnt alive

She was the exception rather the rule.

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and yeah one more thing she was the daughter of Vidyadhar who repulsed the muslim attacks of Mahmud Ghaznavi.

Nothing to do with us, that is your history, our's is the Indus Valley.

 

[Windjammer]

Guys, aren't we drifting a little.
Who came, conquered, converted, claimed or collapsed doesn't matter in today's scenario.
What counts is who climbed contested and conquested in today's game.
Thanks.

 

[ares]

There were two civilizations that unfortunately get lumped together, the Indus based and the Ganges based, the Ganges based is yours and the Indus based is ours, india is not and has never been a nation. It was a geographic term, like middle east.

Tell that to Asoka or Akbar or even Britishers.
PS: you din't answer my query in the previous post.

 

[Rafi]

Tell that to Asoka or Akbar or even Britishers.
PS: you din't answer my query in the previous post.

Next time I meet them in the pub, will ask them. Regarding your query anybody who has lived on our soil belong's to us, hope that answers your question.

 

[HinduAtheist]

She was the exception rather the rule.

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Nothing to do with us, that is your history, our's is the Indus Valley.

The Indus Valley Civilization is pretty much linked with Punjabis (both India and pakistan), Haryana, Delhi, Sindh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, etc...

There was no India-pakistan boundries some 100 + years ago.. everything that included Modern Day India, pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka was called the Indian Subcontinent

 

[Rafi]

The Indus Valley Civilization is pretty much linked with Punjabis (both India and pakistan), Haryana, Delhi, Sindh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, etc...

There was no India-pakistan boundries some 100 + years ago.. everything that included Modern Day India, pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka was called the Indian Subcontinent

More than 74% of Punjabi's are Muslim Pakistani's.

 

[HinduAtheist]

Next time I meet them in the pub, will ask them. Regarding your query anybody who has lived on our soil belong's to us, hope that answers your question.

Muhammad Iqbal lived in our soil and even died before partition however your national poet is an Indian

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More than 74% of Punjabi's are Muslim Pakistani's.

Congrats that's not relevant to anything I was talking about though

 

[ares]

Next time I meet them in the pub, will ask them. Regarding your query anybody who has lived on our soil belong's to us, hope that answers your question.

But he never lived on your soil..he lived in Delhi ..that too for a very brief period of time..so why is he a pakistani?

 

[Rafi]

The Indus Valley Civilization is pretty much linked with Punjabis (both India and pakistan), Haryana, Delhi, Sindh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, etc...

There was no India-pakistan boundries some 100 + years ago.. everything that included Modern Day India, pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka was called the Indian Subcontinent

india is a geographical term, there is too much difference in culture, religion from region to region for india to be a single country. Partition proved that, beyond a shadow of a doubt.