Siachen Glacier, Fighting On The Roof Of The World

[Burnz]

Bandit in Addition

The Prime Minister was such a Dumbass that he even didn't knew that his Army chief was preparing Nuclear Warheads, even after the war ended

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Wrong your arty was definitely involved it ..it provided direct arty fire against Indian arty positions shelling Pak intruders.

Dude read abt it.
No arty was used frm our side.

 

[justanobserver]

If you want to discuss 1971, we can also discuss 800 years of hindu subjugation. In reality, muslim domination of India was the best thing which happened to hindus. It improved their gene pool and put some sense of wrong or right in their lives.

Those Hindus sure were cowards, forcefully converted under the sword.

Their language was changed, script altered to a foreign one. Suffering from a Stockholm syndrome, they reward their rapists by proudly claiming Arab, Turkish, Persian descent.

Sad tale of a once proud people that lived in the region now called Pakistan

 

[Bossman]

Those Hindus sure were cowards, forcefully converted under the sword.

Their language was changed, script altered to a foreign one. Suffering from a Stockholm syndrome, they reward their rapists by proudly claiming Arab, Turkish, Persian descent.

Sad tale of a once proud people that lived in the region now called Pakistan

All Muslim invasions starting from Mohamed Bin Qasim were supported by local hindu tribes because their were some hindus who could see the folly and corruption of their people, their rulers and even their own beliefs. They could see they had a better option. Forced conversion is a myth. It is practically impossible for a few thousand warriors to subjugate millions and rule over them for a 1000 year unless they had local support. If widespread conversion were forced, there would not have been any hindus left at least in Northern India. In Pakistan a strong belief in Islam does not take away their pre muslim heritage. Most people have Rajput, Punjabi and other pre Muslim last names and they are proud of them and they are even more proud that they are Muslims. You can see the difference between Northern/Western Indian Hindus and Southern Indian Hindus. The Northern Indian Hindus are much more decent and self respecting people compared to the Southerners and this is due to a longer Islamic influence. Also you very conviniently forgot the impact of the sufis.

You are just another ill informed Indian fed on propaganda.

 

[justanobserver]

Sure, ancient Pakistan was liberated. Totally agree. But the process is not done yet, modern Pakistan must continue it's liberation by changing it's official language to Arabic and enforcing strict sharia

It shall truly become the land of the pure

 

[ares]

Dude read abt it.
No arty was used frm our side.

I have read about it and I have talked with officers involved Operation Vijay..your artillery was used to against Indian artillery positions, shelling Pakistani intruders on peaks..you had Weapons locating Radar from USA which helped you pin point our arty positions(when they opened fire)..India then lacked these radars.

It was also used to choke up NH1 ..was being directed Pakistani intruders sitting on peaks...thats why peaks you still have in control ..are not being pursued actively..as they have little strategic or even tactical implications for NH1 and are surrounded by Indian posts.

 

[Bossman]

I have read about it and I have talked with officers involved Operation Vijay..your artillery was used to against Indian artillery positions, shelling Pakistani intruders on peaks..you had Weapons locating Radar from USA which helped you pin point our arty positions(when they opened fire)..India then lacked these radars.

It was also used to choke up NH1 ..was being directed Pakistani intruders sitting on peaks...thats why peaks you still have in control ..are not being pursued actively..as they have little strategic or even tactical implications for NH1 and are surrounded by Indian posts.

We had one old 120mm on the hills which was mule packed to the top and was used to hit NH1. Only Pakistani artillary locating radars in Kargil were those in the imagination of Indian Army. Supporting fire from Pakistan came from WWII vintage British guns which are on semi permanent locations on our side of the border. We used minimum resources in Kargil. We are very conservative about how we deploy our resources. Kargil was never that important for us to mobilise our best equipment.

 

[ares]

We had one old 120mm on the hills which was mule packed to the top and was used to hit NH1. Only Pakistani artillary locating radars in Kargil were those in the imagination of Indian Army. Supporting fire from Pakistan came from WWII vintage British guns which are on semi permanent locations on our side of the border. We used minimum resources in Kargil. We are very conservative about how we deploy our resources. Kargil was never that important for us to mobilise our best equipment.

From your reaction it seems.. clearly your men too were expendable, but why wouldn't you use WLR in such limited field of operations, even though you have had them since 80s ..it could have played havoc with India arty positions and saved your boys up there from our accurate arty fire.

 

[EagleEyes]

Where did I disrespect anyone's religion?
1) Its is a fact that hindus worship Hanoman, which is a monkey,
2) it is a fact they practice Kama sutra. Scenes from Kama sutra are engaraved in their temples
3) It is a fact that some hindus including their prime minister have publicly stated that they drink not only cow's but thier own urine.

stating publicly known facts is not disrespect. As far as tolerance is concerned, I would be very tolerant if these Indian respect this forum as a Pakistani forum and don't come here to spread their lies, misinformation, contempt and prejudice against Pakistan and its military. What's even worse is some people on the forum allow them to do so and take what they say line, hook and sinker.

Nothing to do with this topic.

 

[Bossman]

Sure, ancient Pakistan was liberated. Totally agree. But the process is not done yet, modern Pakistan must continue it's liberation by changing it's official language to Arabic and enforcing strict sharia

It shall truly become the land of the pure

So what is wrong with Sharia? Islam is there for all times and all people, its a universal religion. It doesn't become outdated. We are proud of Sharia. It should be implemented in its true form. It can meet the needs of the so called modern times. Its implementation will take us away from the subservience to the West and its ideas and culture. It will help us regain our identity, power and glory. The change has already started to happen in most Muslim countries and it is not the rise of the so called militant Islam. Those just some misguided people who are doing more harm than good for the cause they are fighting for. But grass root change is happening and it will take generations and maybe more to see the final outcome and neither the west with all its power and wealth or you can do anything about it. We again will dominate you for another 1000 years as we did in the past. The reason we will do it is because your mentality, society and culture allows it to be dominated. Even now there is no bigger pleasure for India and Indians to be accepted as an humble servant of the west. All this cosourcing and backoffice work that you are so proud of is nothing more than that. The west throws a few crumbs at you in return, pumps you up a little bit in the media and you think you are the next super power. For Godsake the most powerful person in your country is not even an Indian by birth, she is a European white women. You people are gulliable and think the only truth in the world is the one which comes from the west. The only way you will accept us if we become monkey worshipping, kama sutra practising, piss drinking people like you - it will never happen. We have our own better way of life and if it involves Sharia, so be it.

 

[Bossman]

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From your reaction it seems.. clearly your men too were expendable, but why wouldn't you use WLR in such limited field of operations, even though you have had them since 80s ..it could have played havoc with India arty positions and saved your boys up there from our accurate arty fire.

They were all volunteers, they knew they were getting into an assymetric warfare situation. This was like a Commando raid with no guarantee of support or supplies. They knew the consequences of setting up positions inside your territory. Our artillary fire was effective without the radars because of the forward observers on the hills. In any case artillary radars have very limited benefit in high altitude mountainous regions like Kargil. Our best equipment was being saved in case Indians decided to open a new front. Which it never dared to do becuase of the nuclear threat.

 

[ares]

They were all volunteers, they knew they were getting into an assymetric warfare situation. This was like a Commando raid with no guarantee of support or supplies. They knew the consequences of setting up positions inside your territory. Our artillary fire was effective without the radars because of the forwards observers on the hills. In any case artillary radars have very limited benefit in mountainous regions like Kargil.

You had very healthy supply lines up untill operation Safed Sagar was launched.
But accept it or not Kargil was an extremely strategically unsound operation...though it might have tactically well executed..lack of strategic foresight while planing it costed you dearly in terms of both men and reputation.. while having almost nothing to show for it.
It shows a military planners needs more than just cavalier attitude to execute a successful operation ie Compare it to our success in Siachen, where we still hold 2/3 rd of the land.

 

[Bossman]

You had very healthy supply lines up untill operation Safed Sagar was launched.
But accept it or not Kargil was an extremely strategically unsound operation...though it might have tactically well executed..lack of strategic foresight while planing it costed you dearly in terms of both men and reputation.. while having almost nothing to show for it.
It shows a military planners needs more than just cavalier attitude to execute a successful operation ie Compare it to our success in Siachen, where we still hold 2/3 rd of land.

Hey Ares ole,

Our supply line was a couple of mules everyday. You guys tend to make kargil into such a big deal to make your achievements look big. Read up on the older post on why this was not an unsound operation. This operation laid down the rules of engagement between Pakistan and its 10 times bigger enemy which are still valid today and you guys have not come up with a solution. BTW can't you come up with a better name, I keep confusing it with not a very pleasant part of human anatomy.

 

[ares]

Hey Ares ole,

Our supply line was a couple of mules everyday. You guys tend to make kargil into such a big deal to make your achievements look big. Read up on the older post on why this was not an unsound operation. This operation laid down the rules of engagement between Pakistan and its 10 times bigger enemy which are still valid today and you guys have not come up with a solution. BTW can't you come up with a better name, I keep confusing it with not a very pleasant part of human anatomy.

I had read it before hand ..those are but excuses for a botched up operation.. only a maniac general will get hundreds his own men killed just to prove it to himself that 'see I can get away it..without being bombed'

All I am asking is 13 yrs later.. what do you have to show for it..for the men who gave their lives there?

I am sure those were not trying to prove .."see I will give up my life because my general has an itch ..and he wants to prove it to Indians..that they can't attack us..even though we will try our best to provoke them ?

As far as my name is concerned ..you like to talk about warfare ..but you don't know who Ares is?

Ares - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hopefully the above will help you relate 'it' to some thing more pleasant than a self portrait.

 

[Mech]

Hey Ares ole,.......blah........blah....... BTW can't you come up with a better name, I keep confusing it with not a very pleasant part of human anatomy.

"ares" is the goddess of war. I applaud your creative genius for coming up with "ares-hole".