Siachen Glacier, Fighting On The Roof Of The World

[mautkimaut]

Actually it was 1948 after India ignored the fact that muslim majority areas should go to Pakistan, we had no choice but to attack, since India only understands the lanuague of war.

Had the Indians not installed too many Israeli radars in Kashmir, Kargil would not have happened. We do not trust India because of its hipocratric policies.

(01) Vajpayee comes to Lahore and shaked hand with Nawaz Sharif and wants friendship, as soon as he gets back to Delhi he orders the construction of dams in Kashmir

(02) India wants friendship and wants people to people contacts. We start Samjotha Express which is bombed resulting in the deaths of 75 Pakistani citizens and injuring 150+. India blames it on the ISI and plays this snake game. But we know that Col. Prohit was a RAW Agent and was acting on Indian Government's Orders.

Lets talk about trust, do not even get me started on the number of times India tried to harm Pakistan.

Time to come out of rabbit hole Alice.
Kargil was a misadventure by Geenral Musharraf, And what is it about Israeli radars? Where do you get this kind of news ? I have not heard about Israeli radars as the reason of war in past 12 years....
None of the dams are being constructed against Shimla accord.

 

[sniperr]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Bossman]

Time to come out of rabbit hole Alice.
Kargil was a misadventure by Geenral Musharraf, And what is it about Israeli radars? Where do you get this kind of news ? I have not heard about Israeli radars as the reason of war in past 12 years....
None of the dams are being constructed against Shimla accord.

Kargil was not a misadventure but test of a strategic doctrine. Somewhat similar to reconnaissance in force. It was tested and it worked. Your generals know it, your senior politicians know it, only kids like you, fed on bollywood propaganda, posting on websites don't know it. It is being discussed, debated and analyzed in military staff colleges all over the world, including yours. Infact repeated failures by Indian to react to incidents such as Kargil etc. has led to the so called "Cold Start" , which in itself is a flawed strategy. When the enemy changes strategy to react your actions, it is a victory of sorts as you are taking initiative away from your enemy. We are a little distracted right now, but very soon we will focus our attention back to you guys.

 

[lionheart1]

Kargil was not a misadventure but test of a strategic doctrine. It was tested and it worked. Your generals know it, your senior politicians know it, only kids like you posting on websites don't know it. We are a little distracted right now, but very soon we will focus our attention back to you guys.

now i know in pakistan strategic blunder are called as strategic doctrine

 

[Bossman]

now i know in pakistan strategic blunder are called as strategic doctrine

All the action was on your land, you lost 4 aircrafts, you were running around like headless chickens and as per Indian sources we are still sitting on your land in Kargill plus we proved that you will not and cannot start an all out war. This was proved again after the Mumbai attack. Kargill showed a whole lot of weaknesses in your defence doctrine and prepardness. You were running all over the place trying to buy every thing from 155mm shells to AKs to coffins and your politicians and generals getting kickbacks on every thing even on coffins for your dead soldiers. India has still not come up with an effective answer to limited incursions from Pakistan under the nuclear umbrella. If it had Mumbai would not have happened. Cold Start is a non-starter. So hardly a blunder.

As I said we are a little distracted right now but as soon as the Americans leave Afghanistan, which will be soon, we will turn our attention to you guys again.

Do remember you are 7 times bigger than us and you guys cannot find a way to deal with us other running to the Americans to ask for help.

 

[ares]

All the action was on your land, you lost 4 aircrafts, you were running around like headless chickens and as per Indian sources we are still sitting on your land in Kargill plus we proved that you will not and cannot start an all out war. This was proved again after the Mumbai attack. Kargill showed a whole lot of weaknesses in your defence doctrine and prepardness. You were running all over the place trying to buy every thing from155mm shells to AKs to coffins and your politicians and generals getting kickbacks on every thing even on coffins for your dead soldiers. Hardly a blunder.

According to your ex -prime minister you lost your entire NLI brigade in that war..what do you have to show for it?..you don't have the land and you don't have those soldiers ..our soldiers died..but atleast we have the land to justify their sacrifice...what do you have?

 

[third eye]

Kargil was not a misadventure but test of a strategic doctrine. Somewhat similar to reconnaissance in force. It was tested and it worked. Your generals know it, your senior politicians know it, only kids like you, fed on bollywood propaganda, posting on websites don't know it. It is being discussed, debated and analyzed in military staff colleges all over the world, including yours. Infact repeated failures by Indian to react to incidents such as Kargil etc. has led to the so called "Cold Start" , which in itself is a flawed strategy. When the enemy changes strategy to react your actions, it is a victory of sorts as you are taking initiative away from your enemy. We are a little distracted right now, but very soon we will focus our attention back to you guys.

I have maintained all along the Pak Generals have the ability to think out of the box but lack the singular ability to think a military plan through to its logical end keeping in mind all options available to them & to the enemy.

The options include military,Political , economic and others for war is too serious a thing to be left to the Generals to conduct.

Kargil followed the same pattern as Gibraltar, Grand Slam, Laungewala and so many others did.

A recce in force which cannot be exploited is a wasted effort and a case of premature disclosing of hand with no political will to back a ham handed military mis adventure it was doomed from the start .

If at all this is being discussed at military forums / institutions it is being done as an example of how & why military aims of a nation must be in sync with the Political aims and capabilities of the nation and how disastrous & humiliating is for a PM of a nation to go to US uninvited on 4th July ( a national holiday) to seek help to get out of situation its rogue army chief out it in.

Not to mention how relevant it is for a nation to prepare the ground internationally before embarking on military missions.

 

[lionheart1]

According to your ex -prime minister you lost your entire NLI brigade in that war..what do you have to show for it?..you don't have the land and you don't have those soldiers ..our soldiers died..but atleast we have the land to justify their sacrifice...what do you have?

ares bhai idiots should be ignored, he is talking about a country which broked his country into two parts( erased west from west pakistan ) . that kido dont know if war begins 48 hours Indian flag will be flying GHQ Rawalpindi

 

[rockstarIN]

Kargil was not a misadventure but test of a strategic doctrine. Somewhat similar to reconnaissance in force. It was tested and it worked. Your generals know it, your senior politicians know it, only kids like you, fed on bollywood propaganda, posting on websites don't know it. It is being discussed, debated and analyzed in military staff colleges all over the world, including yours. Infact repeated failures by Indian to react to incidents such as Kargil etc. has led to the so called "Cold Start" , which in itself is a flawed strategy. When the enemy changes strategy to react your actions, it is a victory of sorts as you are taking initiative away from your enemy. We are a little distracted right now, but very soon we will focus our attention back to you guys.

Wonderful post..!! I never read such an 'explanation' for Kargil adventure earlier.

Strategic doctrine? Is this the same 'operation Gibraltar' in a new bottle? you still believe 1:10?

And we did not react? well your then prime minister admitted about the ferocity of our 'reaction' (well, you can say that he said it for political gains)

You keep changing strategies, well we have our economy as our first priority and we know that your 'changing strategies are your weak point'

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

According to your ex -prime minister you lost your entire NLI brigade in that war..what do you have to show for it?..you don't have the land and you don't have those soldiers ..our soldiers died..but atleast we have the land to justify their sacrifice...what do you have?

nawaz has been proven wrong many times... terrorist lover.

Abt land.... the 4 highest -stategic peaks r still in our control today.

 

[rockstarIN]

All the action was on your land, you lost 4 aircrafts, you were running around like headless chickens and as per Indian sources we are still sitting on your land in Kargill plus we proved that you will not and cannot start an all out war. This was proved again after the Mumbai attack. Kargill showed a whole lot of weaknesses in your defence doctrine and prepardness. You were running all over the place trying to buy every thing from 155mm shells to AKs to coffins and your politicians and generals getting kickbacks on every thing even on coffins for your dead soldiers. India has still not come up with an effective answer to limited incursions from Pakistan under the nuclear umbrella. If it had Mumbai would not have happened. Cold Start is a non-starter. So hardly a blunder.

As I said we are a little distracted right now but as soon as the Americans leave Afghanistan, which will be soon, we will turn our attention to you guys again.

Do remember you are 7 times bigger than us and you guys cannot find a way to deal with us other running to the Americans to ask for help.

Care to check your Army web site? ( with respect )

"The best win is the war without a fight". If Americans can 'control' you inside and out, why should we fire at you. Indirectly we have certain control over Americans, thanks to our economy.

 

[rockstarIN]

nawaz has been proven wrong many times... terrorist lover.

Abt land.... the 4 highest -strategic peaks r still in our control today.

Whose words are accountable? Nawaz? or Gen. Musharaf? (to whom Pakistan trying to extradite for court cases)?

 

[ares]

nawaz has been proven wrong many times... terrorist lover.

Abt land.... the 4 highest -stategic peaks r still in our control today.

Nawaz might have been proven wrong on other subjects and occasions ..but he was still your then prime minister and your next prime minister in waiting ..so maybe he has been proven wrong ..your people trust him enough to vote for him.

If Nawaz has been proven wrong.. so has been Musharaff..why would you trust his word instead?

As far as I know only point 5353 remains occupied by your troops ...but remains surrounded by 3 Indian posts ..on the top of it has little strategic implication to India..but occuping this one peak ..was it worth the lives of 500-2500 of your soldiers(depending on the source)

 

[rockstarIN]

Do remember you are 7 times bigger than us and you guys cannot find a way to deal with us other running to the Americans to ask for help.

We just need to block the waters of rivers, Pakistan will really know what will happen. You should really thank us, despite your strategic blunders, we still adhere Indus water treaty.

 

[alphamale]

nawaz has been proven wrong many times... terrorist lover.

Abt land.... the 4 highest -stategic peaks r still in our control today.

what is the advantage of those so called 4 strategic peaks???? Pakistan army tried several attempts to regain siachen but always failed.