Shut Up America

[Viper0011.]

None of whom have publicly stated their intent to protect its assets. Having said this, Saudi, Turkey, UK or Chinese too need to stay away from our internal issues. Same golden rule applies on everyone.

* We didn't request the American aid
* All Pakistanis are AGAINST the American aid, only our cooked politicians are not.
* American aid ends up in the pockets of people which America wants in power to serve its foreign policy goals rather than being spent on social or economic development.

Because they are OUR citizens and have the right to protest against murder of citizens by the govt and against election rigging system which keeps America's cronies in power.

Shut up. You don't have the right to call my countrymen 'idiots'. Their actions, demands are to be judged by us not by you!

Aero - Getting too emotional there.......I don't want to use comparison here. You just told me to shut up. How would you like for me to answer you?

You should be banned. If you read my post, I wasn't calling a member idiot. I will always call anyone an idiot who's political or personal agendas end up hurting their country's reputation, lost lives and economic loss of 5 Billion.

@WebbMaster and whoever else runs this place. Is this what this place is becoming? Admin's telling members to "shut up" on a public forum where we are all supposed to be openly debating stuff???

This keep happening, you'll lose members and they'll go find an alternative forum where they can engage in debates without having to be called "shut up".

Now back to "objective debate".......who's "we" in this case" You as a member of the nation or I as a member of the nation are represented by the government we pick, in Pakistan's case (the generals and some democratic leaders you pick). They all want the aid. So how would I or anyone differentiate between YOU as an individual and the entire nation or your leaders? Its all the same. The agreements happen between nations. I don't think our president uses my name on something if I was to disagree with him on some policy. Nations are represented by the leaders and that's how the world is run.

Reality is, if you think about it objectively, Pakistan is a nuclear country with a close-to-bankrupt economy and the entire system needs strengthening. Everyone (including China) is concerned about you guys. The US happens to be an old partner who gives you the most aid (unfortunately without a thank you ). If you look at your military as JUST one example, what would they rather have? J-10B from China on almost 0% interest or F-16 Block 52 or 60? The answer is the later.

You guys get very emotional about a lot of things. The fact is, the world is round and so is peace. One major country (a nuke power on top of that) can cause serious effects across. Its true for Pakistan, Saudia, India, China or France. The world has become a global village.
Next, I don't know by putting these "I hate America" threads up, how much good are you really doing to your country. If some US policy makers, the CENTCOM and the American public are seeing it just like I am seeing this (and you can tell I am not happy), I don't know how it gives Pakistan any good press. At the end of the day, the US AID ALONE is doing a LOT of good work in Pakistan, from Water supply, to Electricity to Schools to Medical to Roads, and the list goes on and on.

Shut up. You don't have the right to call my countrymen 'idiots'. Their actions, demands are to be judged by us not by you!

By the way, if you were judging "their" demands based on your national interest....they wouldn't be anywhere close to the Parliament. They'd still be sitting in the first place the government has allocated. Next, you mentioned the aid....the BIGGEST recipient of the aid has ALWAYS been the Military and the Generals!! So when you say the money doesn't go down to the common person....besides for a few times when the "democracy" was there for a brief period, ask the Generals for the money please. The money was SUPPOSED to go down to people.

I assume there is a thread ban coming because I pissed off the admin and the truth hurts?

 

[B+ Dracula]

Aero - Getting too emotional there.......I don't want to use comparison here. You just told me to shut up. How would you like for me to answer you?
You should be banned. If you read my post, I wasn't calling a member idiot. I will always call anyone an idiot who's political or personal agendas end up hurting their country's reputation, lost lives and economic loss of 5 Billion.
@WebbMaster and whoever else runs this place. Is this what this place is becoming? Admin's telling members to "shut up" on a public forum where we are all supposed to be openly debating stuff???
This keep happening, you'll lose members and they'll go find an alternative forum where they can engage in debates without having to be called "shut up".
Now back to "objective debate".......who's "we" in this case" You as a member of the nation or I as a member of the nation are represented by the government we pick, in Pakistan's case (the generals and some democratic leaders you pick). They all want the aid. So how would I or anyone differentiate between YOU as an individual and the entire nation or your leaders? Its all the same. The agreements happen between nations. I don't think our president uses my name on something if I was to disagree with him on some policy. Nations are represented by the leaders and that's how the world is run.
Reality is, if you think about it objectively, Pakistan is a nuclear country with a close-to-bankrupt economy and the entire system needs strengthening. Everyone (including China) is concerned about you guys. The US happens to be an old partner who gives you the most aid (unfortunately without a thank you ). If you look at your military as JUST one example, what would they rather have? J-10B from China on almost 0% interest or F-16 Block 52 or 60? The answer is the later.
You guys get very emotional about a lot of things. The fact is, the world is round and so is peace. One major country (a nuke power on top of that) can cause serious effects across. Its true for Pakistan, Saudia, India, China or France. The world has become a global village.
Next, I don't know by putting these "I hate America" threads up, how much good are you really doing to your country. If some US policy makers, the CENTCOM and the American public are seeing it just like I am seeing this (and you can tell I am not happy), I don't know how it gives Pakistan any good press. At the end of the day, the US AID ALONE is doing a LOT of good work in Pakistan, from Water supply, to Electricity to Schools to Medical to Roads, and the list goes on and on.

I've no patience like Aeronaut to give word by word answer to you Bcoz you are Foreigner to me and you've no right to interfere in our Region (By having both Amercian flags and not giving respect to Pakistani Flag)
and Yes!
If you give us little insight about Nights of Las-Vegas and Days of California - MONIKALEOWINCKI /BILL CLINTON - we'll not mind BUT stop yourself' meddling in our POLITICAL AFFAIRS

Was your post towards IK and Mullah and you "accidentally" wrote it for me?

As far as IK is concerned - Dont stant out as Only STUPA OF TAKILA we've many others on that Forum but their Loyalty wont have any question-mark - You must try to appear yourself as American Salt Eater and wont be a NAMAK HARAM

 

[aamerjamal]

As far as IK is concerned - Dont stant out as Only STUPA OF TAKILA we've many others on that Forum but their Loyalty wont have any question-mark - You must try to appear yourself as American Salt Eater and wont be a NAMAK HARAM

A slave representing the Master's Thoery, just Like Zani IK and Yahoodi TUQ is doing Namak Halali To Yahoodis

 

[tarrar]

US continues to proves that they want only corrupt & incompetent Govt's. in Pakistan, they will always support PML-N, PPP, JUI, ANP & so on.

US had proven their support for corrupt in PPP's time & we are seeing the same in PML-N's time when they openly supported their dogs.

 

[kbd-raaf]

If Imran Khan was in USA, USA would be building communities and hospitals on Mars

LOLOL

 

[Mugwop]

We do need dollars we have trillions of our own.

That's why the world sucks up to India including mighty usa

USA doesn't suck up to anyone.

 

[aamerjamal]

US continues to proves that they want only corrupt & incompetent Govt's. in Pakistan, they will always support PML-N, PPP, JUI, ANP & so on.

US had proven their support for corrupt in PPP's time & we are seeing the same in PML-N's time when they openly supported their dogs.

their dogs are outside the parliament barking all the day and night. Whole world even american knew NS hate US so does US corrupt or not we are no more US firends, we (PML-N) gov put us in new block of China/Russia

 

[VCheng]

USA doesn't suck up to anyone.

USA does whatever is necessary to serve its national interests - always.

 

[Kompromat]

@orangzaib

Dear Sir, i don't need your 'lectures'. You made a post, i gave you a reply so ditch your self righteous mumbo jumbo and move on. The other option is to not quote me again. I will tell anyome to shut up if they insult my people.

 

[The Unnamed]

Shut Up America

September 03, 2014

All of Pakistan has its eyes focused on Islamabad nowadays. Every single movement of the leaders and the protestors is being scrutinized.

Every single Pakistani seems to have their own theory of what’s going on there and has their own opinion on who is wrong and who is right.

However, what I want to focus on in this post is one single aspect of the current political crisis…

The American statement!

Yes… The one in which they claimed that they do not back any unconstitutional measures.

Hmmm….just like they ‘did not’ back decades of dictatorships in Pakistan. Just like they ‘did not’ back drone attacks in Pakistan.

Well the good thing is that there was a fitting rebuttal to the American statement by Imran Khan, where he firmly told the Americans not to meddle in Pakistan’s internal affairs.

But… Yes, there is always a but! But the thing is, that a statement is very easy to make, but going the distance to implement it can be very difficult. Don’t get me wrong, I am not doubting his intentions, it’s just that America’s interest in Pakistan are too critical for them to just step aside because of one statement from the Kaptan.

Let’s have a closer look at the US-Pak relationship in the past.

America – Ally or Foe?

Pakistan has been a useful ally (read toy) for the US for most of our history. During the period 1954 to 1969, Pakistan was considered an ally for safeguarding of Middle East oil and as a pawn for eavesdropping on the USSR during the cold war.

From 1979 to 1989, we were at the forefront of the proxy war against the USSR in Afghanistan.

After 9/11, Pakistan was again a tool to be used in another American war, this time the War on Terror.

The intermittent years where the US did not see any use for Pakistan – i.e. there was no pressing U.S. security issue – the US conveniently distanced itself from anything Pakistani.

During the period of undying love, the US would have backdoor secret (open secret, that is) relationships and meetings with us and give us billions of dollars without any accountability. But when this love died out (all of a suddenly usually) all aid would be cut off and sanctions would come into play.

A self-proclaimed promoter of democracy, our ally has supported every Pakistani dictator just because it was the need of the hour.

So basically when we were useful they took us to bed and once they were done with us, they didn’t call back till they were in the mood again.

It’s not that Pakistan did not get anything out of this relationship. A lot of money poured into Pakistan. Where did the money go is another question! It definitely did not trickle down to the masses.

However, it was not just the US’s betrayal that we had to suffer. We were and still are facing repercussions of the wars we fought for them.

Extremism was bred in Pakistan for the Afghan war, after which we got stuck with the millions of refugees. Post the Afghan war, we had to baby sit the Taliban for the world and now the Taliban – who we so lovingly brought up – are out to destroy us.

Present Day Concerns of our ‘Ally’

Today, with the exit of American forces from Afghanistan, Pakistan has become a policy problem once more for the US; a problem they do not know how to solve yet.

They need us to keep a check on Afghanistan, especially with its extremely volatile situation, but they fear that Pakistan might fall into the hands of extremists just like after the Afghan war; except this time around we are Nuclear! The US President’s chief of staff has described Pakistan as ‘two hundred million pissed-off people, plus nuclear weapons. Scary shit!’

There is also another force that has become potent enough to drive US policy towards Pakistan; and that is India. With its growing economic clout and deep involvement in Afghanistan, India is well placed to influence the US policy towards Pakistan. Which for us is extremely dangerous as one is an out and out enemy and the other is an enemy in disguise.

The Statement

The current statement by the Americans, in my opinion, is more about letting us know that they are watching. The statement is quite generic when they say that we do not support anything ‘unconstitutional’ because the parties involved both claim that they are well within their constitutional rights.

In my opinion, the statement, in light of history, doesn’t matter at all because even if the military takes over the US will be thoroughly supportive. This is because in the current regional situation it will be easier for them to deal with one person rather than an embattled Prime Minister.

The best that could be done in this situation was exactly what Imran Khan did, give them a shut up call as there is nothing more that can actually be done.

Why Can’t We Stop Them From Meddling?

It’s not rocket science! Because we live off their donations of course! We get military, civilian, and all sorts of aid from America. We can’t bite the hand that feeds us!

A shut up call, although it takes guts, is not enough because we need to be independent in order to really force them to back off.

And believe you me, this can be achieved! Public opinion about our relationship with the US is at its all-time low. The masses realize that Pakistan has lost much more than it has gained in this relationship and will support any decision in this regard.

The only thing that is needed is the political will to do it. Even if the measures are difficult the public will support them if they are for the right cause i.e. becoming independent. And the only person that seems (double emphasis on ‘seems’)to have that will is none other than Imran Khan.

The reason I say this is that he is not corrupt. Corruption takes away a lot of your options as you tend to build and save your assets by any means rather than work for the country. And this is what all our previous leaders have done.

Right now all depends on how the current political scene plays out and I am afraid if history repeats itself we will remain ‘ghulam’s’ for the foreseeable future.

Shut Up America | Pakistan Insider

Yindu, Yahudi, Yamrikan...

Find a way to bash them and you're a true blue..sorry green.

 

[Viper0011.]

@orangzaib

Dear Sir, i don't need your 'lectures'. You made a post, i gave you a reply so ditch your self righteous mumbo jumbo and move on. The other option is to not quote me again. I will tell anyome to shut up if they insult my people.

Well, next time you tell me to shut up in a conversation where we are all humans....I will tell you to shut up too. Simple is that. Respect doesn't mean that you start to become abusive towards people.

If you are participating in a debate, you should list in it the people you "Expect" to answer. You are an administrator of an online forum and online means "online" that's visible to global audience. If we are not what this forum needs, you should tell us to NOT register for this forum as it is ONLY for the Pakistanis.

Last but not least, you are running this forum out of a Data Center in Buffalo, New York. So please, remember there are US and International laws you guys come under. I thought I'd clarify that a little.
And one of these days, I will get a hold of Mr. Ahsan and will have a word with him. Hopefully that's not you.

 

[Kompromat]

@orangzaib

Next time you call my people idiots, you'll also be reminded of the forum rules.

 

[Viper0011.]

@orangzaib

Next time you call my people idiots, you'll also be reminded of the forum rules.

What are the rules? I am calling two people that are NOT on the forum personally. How many times you guys Call us the Americans "dumb", "arrogant" and all kinds of hate names due to your personal prejudice? In fact, this VERY thread is called "Shut Up America". How many times this same forum curses out Jews and Indians and everyone else you don't like, at times, just out of convenience and luxury.

So you are saying you can call us anything, you call the Indians or the Israelis anything or anyone else for that matter..... But if someone called two people idiots because of the reason that due to their personal agenda, many innocents got killed and a poor country lost over many trillion in business.....you have an issue with that? Common man, make an argument that you can support. But if my comments were considered wrong, how come there are so many people sharing the same feelings?

Please outline forum rules for me and they should be applicable to ALL. The Americans, the Israelis, the Indians and all right? No one can call each other shut up or anything hatred filled or idiots and all. Which means, this thread "shut up America" should be deleted also and then other threads where the Americans, Japanese, the Israelis, the Saudis and the Indians are being discriminated against.

Unbelievable, this is like I am talking to IK and his stance is, "what we do is legal, what you do is illegal. Where we win its all good, where we lost, its all rigging" !!

But please let ALL members know what the rules are for EVERYONE as I outlined above. Only then its fair. In which case, I expect you, I and everyone else to follow it.

 

[Kompromat]

If your kind stays away from our internal matters, there would be no one in Pakistan asking them to shut up. America is a bad curse for Pakistan. We don't your aid, weapons bla bla bla. We just want you to leave us alone. Till that happens, this will continue. A minimum and containable American footprint is what Pakistan needs.

@orangzaib

 

[KingMamba]

What are the rules? I am calling two people that are NOT on the forum personally. How many times you guys Call us the Americans "dumb", "arrogant" and all kinds of hate names due to your personal prejudice? In fact, this VERY thread is called "Shut Up America". How many times this same forum curses out Jews and Indians and everyone else you don't like, at times, just out of convenience and luxury.

So you are saying you can call us anything, you call the Indians or the Israelis anything or anyone else for that matter..... But if someone called two people idiots because of the reason that due to their personal agenda, many innocents got killed and a poor country lost over many trillion in business.....you have an issue with that? Common man, make an argument that you can support. But if my comments were considered wrong, how come there are so many people sharing the same feelings?

Please outline forum rules for me and they should be applicable to ALL. The Americans, the Israelis, the Indians and all right? No one can call each other shut up or anything hatred filled or idiots and all. Which means, this thread "shut up America" should be deleted also and then other threads where the Americans, Japanese, the Israelis, the Saudis and the Indians are being discriminated against.

Unbelievable, this is like I am talking to IK and his stance is, "what we do is legal, what you do is illegal. Where we win its all good, where we lost, its all rigging" !!

But please let ALL members know what the rules are for EVERYONE as I outlined above. Only then its fair. In which case, I expect you, I and everyone else to follow it.

Lol if saying shut up should be grounds for a ban I am surprised I have gotten to the number of posts I have so far. Shut up is nothing if you could understand our language Indians and us Pakistanis here have had verbals wars that would make your eyes bleed.

As for forum rules being fair for everyone this is not a country where everyone is equal, the Indians and Israelis should be thankful for the amount of leeway they already get if this was really based on Pakistan there would be little to no Indian trolls and no Israelis at all on this forum since Pakistan does not even recognize the country. Yet the administrator here has provided a platform for both to express their views as shitty as they may be. Frankly if it was me I would force Israeli IP addresses to sport Palestinian flags just because. That is probably also why I do not run anything over here being impartial is hard if you spend enough time here and it is credit to management that they do as well as they do.