Should we opt for the ICBM?

[war&peace]

Even if we have the ICBM capability, we should keep it a secret because we don't want to make any enemies.

I think the other way. Testing an ICBM will not earn us enemies because it is not just weapons but diplomacy. Just look at the test of ICBM by india, did she earn new enemies...no..not apparently...rather she got a certain stature at diplomatic front. But what it will do is to subdue the tone of our enemies who underestimate Pakistan and think protected due to a large distance. It will benefit us in the long run.

 

[Bouncer]

But what it will do is to subdue the tone of our enemies who underestimate Pakistan and think protected due to a large distance.

Sorry you were replying to someone else, but I have to ask. Which enemies are you referring to?

 

[war&peace]

Sorry you were replying to someone else, but I have to ask. Which enemies are you referring to?

There are many potential enemies and it is not necessary to name them until they come out of ambiguity. In the changing world and global strategic alliances can result in unexpected consequences and ones who are friends or neutral today, can become foes tomorrow and vice-versa. The best policy is to have a strong economic and military base so that no one can think of any misadventure against Pakistan. Talk peace but talk from strong vantage-point...or the world will mistreat.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I think the other way. Testing an ICBM will not earn us enemies because it is not just weapons but diplomacy. Just look at the test of ICBM by india, did she earn new enemies...no..not apparently...rather she got a certain stature at diplomatic front. But what it will do is to subdue the tone of our enemies who underestimate Pakistan and think protected due to a large distance. It will benefit us in the long run.

If we want stature, becoming an " Economic Superpower " will go a long way. We don't have any enemies besides India and for them we have plenty of missiles to reach every nook and cranny of that God forsaken country. I personally believe that we already have the Technology to build an ICBM, if we have not already built one.

India had to test their ICBM because of China, we have no such compulsion. If we already have built an ICBM, the countries that matter probably already know through their Intelligence about that capability.

 

[trident2010]

10000+ Km range ICBM is must for pakistan for its power projection. I will benefit its world status.

 

[denel]

For what purpose? It will be like "Aa bail mujhe maar".

@denel , I have lived and worked in SA for a few years. Amazing people. The Pakistanis working there are hard working people and I believe they are thankful for the opportunities the Rainbow Nation has offered them. I hope you don't project the image of Pakistanis you get here on PDF on to Pakistanis living in SA. That being said, it seems that your illegal economic immigrants will start returning to their home countries soon they way ANC is running the country. Hope things change for better over there.

On topic, do you have any source to back up this claim that Ra'ad is based on some South African design?

Great stuff. I am glad you had a chance to work here and seen for your self. There are challenges and some serious ones in my country especially with ANC leadership. I was responding to the mudslinging that was thrown all over the place and racist comments targeted at myself by idiots here. I am sorry there is arab/pakistan trash all over the place here - uneducated fascists.

From what i was able to ascertain from my former colleagues, there were design shared along with many aspects of the stand off weapons including components of cheetah program e.g. IFR etc which were then incorporated into your Mirage etc as well as stand off weapons. The IFR is visibly the same and also the same on jf-17. Have a look at the picture below. The raad's fundamental design is based off Mupsow and some aspects of Torgos merged; Raad is essentially a lengthened version of Mupsow.

MUPSOW - Google Search

MUPSOW - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where were you located in SA? I am in the north west province.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Great stuff. I am glad you had a chance to work here and seen for your self. There are challenges and some serious ones in my country especially with ANC leadership. I was responding to the mudslinging that was thrown all over the place and racist comments targeted at myself by idiots here. I am sorry there is arab/pakistan trash all over the place here - uneducated fascists.

From what i was able to ascertain from my former colleagues, there were design shared along with many aspects of the stand off weapons including components of cheetah program e.g. IFR etc which were then incorporated into your Mirage etc as well as stand off weapons. The IFR is visibly the same and also the same on jf-17. Have a look at the picture below. The raad's fundamental design is based off Mupsow and some aspects of Torgos merged; Raad is essentially a lengthened version of Mupsow.

MUPSOW - Google Search

MUPSOW - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where were you located in SA? I am in the north west province.

Raad is perhaps an inspiration from Mupsow, but the design is completely indigenous. It does not have technical input from Torgos.

 

[SecularNationalist]

I know more than you about Ra'ad ALCM. So thank you but no thank you

That,s one arrogant statement.Were you part of raad scientist team?How can you be so sure?

 

[war&peace]

That,s one arrogant statement.Were you part of raad scientist team?How can you be so sure?

Confident...not arrogant....Further details are off limits. But I told is true.

 

[Peace seeker]

CPEC, Gwadar port, JF-17, Subs etc

Your economy is only $200b remember, I didnt no whether to laugh or cry at that bold statement

and your building of economy is build on week pillars what: if 2020 referendum succeed and you loose Khalistan, if kashmiri succeed to get independence, if only one missile fired from Pakistan close goa and other ports and also ipl and cricket is paused for some time.. think about it............
Pakistan is like taxi car and india is like BMW, if BMW and taxi car collide taxi will cost less to repair but BMW will cost price equal to value of many taxis to repair. what about if you lack above mention resources to repair yourself after war............???? understood?????
messing with Pakistan mean suicide to india

 

[black-hawk_101]

Pakistan has a clear chance of acquiring the recently retired ICBMs and can upgrade them with Baidu too. How many of these ICBMs where in numbers and what would be there cost of Pakistan as CPEC is going on.

 

[war&peace]

Definitely an indian. The rant against Mullahs and over analysis of poverty in Pakistan gave it away. Most SAs don't know nothing about the internal situation in Pakistan and don't have an opinion about it. Also their grammar, punctuation and writing style in English is very different to the above. The lack of sentence structure, adequate punctuation and grammar and writing style is very typical of someone of indian origin writing in English.

Most GCC Arabs are very arrogant and are oblivious to the superpower status of the world's real superpowers; America, Russia and China. I don't they'd be in awe of india. Especially considering that indians are the most ugliest and physically vilest creatures on earth.

I blew up his cover. I personally have many friends from SA from all backgrounds and gender. The way they talk, write, opine and argue are known to me day in day out. The moment I read his typical indian rant, I knew he an indian rat hiding behind SA flag and lying like a pathological liar.

 

[Bouncer]

From what i was able to ascertain from my former colleagues, there were design shared along with many aspects of the stand off weapons including components of cheetah program e.g. IFR etc which were then incorporated into your Mirage etc as well as stand off weapons. The IFR is visibly the same and also the same on jf-17. Have a look at the picture below. The raad's fundamental design is based off Mupsow and some aspects of Torgos merged; Raad is essentially a lengthened version of Mupsow.

Thanks, I will study these later. I did find some references to MUPSOW after my last post, here's one

Pakistan tests Ra'ad ALCM - IHS Jane's 360

Where were you located in SA? I am in the north west province.

I was in and around Johannesburg. Work kept me busy so didn't have a chance to leave the city. Planning to see Cape Town by end of this year hopefully.

 

[Kambojaric]

Why exactly do we need ICBM's? We have no ambitions of projecting our power on a global basis as of yet meaning we should focus on improving the capabilities of our shorter range missiles.

 

[denel]

Thanks, I will study these later. I did find some references to MUPSOW after my last post, here's one

Pakistan tests Ra'ad ALCM - IHS Jane's 360



I was in and around Johannesburg. Work kept me busy so didn't have a chance to leave the city. Planning to see Cape Town by end of this year hopefully.

Always a pleasure man. Where were you working in Johannesburg? I used to be located in Rosebank and travelled to Benoni where Altas was located; later in Pretoria due to finishing post grad doctorate while working.

Really pathetic people here. I dont know what their fascination is with hindus/indians; they need a good shambok on their back sides to get them to live like human being with respect for everyone.

The world does not need war. These asses have never been in a conflict and seen the horrors and want to beat everyone up. I still have nightmares even though it was 30 yrs back from the front line work and what followed in 1992. Education, health are key points - that is key to uplifting people of deep poverty both in my country and yours. We have good technology here; i prefer R&D and good braai with good drinks later in the evenings and watch beautiful sunsets out here in the edge of kalahari.

cheers.