Should Pakistan Try to Lease a Turkish Type 209 Submarine?

[Pindi Boy]

no you were fulfilling your duty towards your master.

its yours personal opinion

 

[Baybars Han]

no you were fulfilling your duty towards your master.

He is no slave. If there is one slave that is you. That's slave of Turks for 1000 years and British. Double slave.

 

[ravi kiran]

its yours personal opinion

you already proved it in this thread.
btw one friendly advice try to give importance to Pakistan instead of turkey, KSA etc.

He is no slave. If there is one slave that is you. That's slave of Turks for 1000 years and British. Double slave.

dont you have any shame? i already told you come back when you cross 1 trillion mark till then you dont even qualify to have any discussion. now go away...

 

[Benign Persona]

I dont know why so many Pakistanis are so obsessed with weakling like Turkey and think they are advanced?

They have so many system and weapon system can't developed by themselves and some suggest Turkey can lead them? Its like a blind lead another blind.

well i will support a weak brother then a strong friend and i dont know why chinese become so anti Turkey? they shoot down a Russian plane not a chinese.

 

[RealNapster]

China should lend Pakistan $10 billion dollars (interest free) to buy Chinese subs

China needs to keep it's citizens working

haha... true

lol 800 billion calling 2 trillion poorer. come back when you at least cross 1 trillion mark. till then live in delusion poorer turkey man.

India, a wealthy country of poor people . Turkey, a rich country of rich people.

 

[ravi kiran]

India, a wealthy country of poor people . Turkey, a rich country of rich people.

another Pakistani slave of turkey.

 

[Benign Persona]

another Pakistani slave of turkey.

either go ask your forefathers about slavery who were slaves of muslims for a thousand year or shut up. its not good for a nation who lived under muslim rule to call other slaves.

 

[Pindi Boy]

you already proved it in this thread.
btw one friendly advice try to give importance to Pakistan instead of turkey, KSA etc.


dont you have any shame? i already told you come back when you cross 1 trillion mark till then you dont even qualify to have any discussion. now go away...

......Its a thread about pakistan and turkey and i am supposed to reply here..But what you doing here?????ISn't it a slavery act(According to your logic)

 

[fox 2]

yes. you guys are even below us.
India(GDP)= 2.1 trillion
turkey(GDP)= 800 billion

Population of India =1.25 billion
Population of Turkey=77 million

Not even mention natural resources like oil and natural gas.
Quite interesting....

 

[Alphacharlie]

on the Topic leasing a U209 will do good for PN

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

PN does not need to lease any Sub.
We don't require to lease or train on a type which is on the exit.

 

[FuturePAF]

PN does not need to lease any Sub.
We don't require to lease or train on a type which is on the exit.

Turkey has a robust ship building program; with a lot of domestic content for the future u-214 submarine program.
The U-209 would be just a platform, on which Pakistan can observe another navy's submarine methods.
Turkey is a nato navy, and they train to detect Russian submarines in the black sea (presumably), India operates u-209 submarines and Kilo Class Submarines, as well as nuclear submarines based on Russian technology

A 5 year lease can potentially bring access to all this knowledge, and can help Pakistan outline better parameters for the design of the s-20 submarines (this was the same design idea around the JF-17; using the F-16 as the model for that project)
(Type 209 Upgrade Approved.

At least the lease of one of the Gur Class Submarine; can bring a new perspective to the PN; german design philosophy and experience, that will be going into the turkish program; and turkey is developing similar subsystems pakistan may look to acquire for its subs to make them keep up with world class AIP-SSK Standards
GÜR CLASS (Mod 209 Type 1400) |

Remember Thyssen Krupp is the owner of both HDW and Kockums; which have built submarines for the Swedish, Israeli, Japanese, Australian, Indian, as well as are leading the future of AIP-SSK technology

and while the U-209/1400 are older designs, new technology is built on older technology, and the best way to catch-up is acquire the best you can get access to (especially if its a modest 5 year lease) and build your own technology simultaneously; look at the Chinese Su-35 deal, while developing the J-20

there are still things that can be learned; and Pakistan needs to look for ways to get a qualitative edge where it can

 

[raj76]

No, no. It's average Indian doesn't have a house and live in slums. While we do. Average Indian earns like 1 dollar a day lol while minimum wage here is 1300tl.

lol on neutral grounds like us or canada i see u r turkish superiority day in and day out lol bloody cheap labour

 

[Penguin]

Turkey has a robust ship building program; with a lot of domestic content for the future u-214 submarine program.
The U-209 would be just a platform, on which Pakistan can observe another navy's submarine methods.
Turkey is a nato navy, and they train to detect Russian submarines in the black sea (presumably), India operates u-209 submarines and Kilo Class Submarines, as well as nuclear submarines based on Russian technology

A 5 year lease can potentially bring access to all this knowledge, and can help Pakistan outline better parameters for the design of the s-20 submarines (this was the same design idea around the JF-17; using the F-16 as the model for that project)
(Type 209 Upgrade Approved.

At least the lease of one of the Gur Class Submarine; can bring a new perspective to the PN; german design philosophy and experience, that will be going into the turkish program; and turkey is developing similar subsystems pakistan may look to acquire for its subs to make them keep up with world class AIP-SSK Standards
GÜR CLASS (Mod 209 Type 1400) |

Remember Thyssen Krupp is the owner of both HDW and Kockums; which have built submarines for the Swedish, Israeli, Japanese, Australian, Indian, as well as are leading the future of AIP-SSK technology

and while the U-209/1400 are older designs, new technology is built on older technology, and the best way to catch-up is acquire the best you can get access to (especially if its a modest 5 year lease) and build your own technology simultaneously; look at the Chinese Su-35 deal, while developing the J-20

there are still things that can be learned; and Pakistan needs to look for ways to get a qualitative edge where it can

Per 22 July 2014, Saab is owner of Kockums. TKMS got booted out (they tried to strangle Kockums, which was not in the Swedish national interest).

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Can I add my views here..
First why lease if you can buy or build..
Second if u folks want a lease asset say one in number for PN then why not a SSN older one from Chinese navy
Will that not help your own PN from
A) preparing for the black project of nuclear sub
B) training crew
C) the SLBM program

@Beast @wanglaokan is it not possible for PN to have a SSN sub for a 10 year lease from you guys. I mean if you folks don't want to give the latest aub its fine how about a used aub say approx 15 20 years old. Even one SSN may help PN much better for their own domestic N sub project..