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Because Nuclear sub can go an sit anywhere in the open oceans of the world without running out of fuel and can unleash Nuclear hell on enemy on any continent. It's impossible to search every ocean of the world.Sorry guy,I'm just out of topic but want to ask just one thing,what you gonna do with a nuclear sub? lol
Is there a submarine race held in the world,you gonna go triatlon?That souns nonsense.
If your sub can shoot sub-ground missiles thats fair enough.Nuclear subs sound cool but too noisy and expensive to keep.
Because Nuclear sub can go an sit anywhere in the open oceans of the world without running out of fuel and can unleash Nuclear hell on enemy on any continent. It's impossible to search every ocean of the world.
Yea i know this but with a high maintanence cost.And what about wold wide strike capability for Pakistan? Just why.
Hell of stupidity type 209 not with AIP
and its diving depth asking for death with Indian P 8 they are coffins
Type 209 is useless in our deep waters we need subs which can dive deeper than 300 feet
Limited funds + limited willing suppliers, what else can I say....If u take F 22 and Acosta subs out entire PN is made of old junks and what a JDM our member created to Add another junk
Stop mentality of used items in such difficult warfare of 3 armed forces
sir, but A-90 was given with TOT and licence to export it as well... why more A-90s was not made?? @Rashid MahmoodI believe Pakistan is the sole user of Agosta-90B, so the only 'old Agosta' you could possibly get would be Agosta-70, of which the French have decommissioned 4 and Spain 1. Only the Spanish boat is 3-4 years younger than the PN Agosta-70s. No Spanish boat - in service or decommissioned - is more than max 6 years younger than PN Agosta-70s. There is little point in persuing these boats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agosta-class_submarine
Lack of $?sir, but A-90 was given with TOT and licence to export it as well... why more A-90s was not made?? @Rashid Mahmood
if i'm not wrong in mid 2000s PN was in talks with germany to buy U-214 subs... So money was there..Lack of $?
Why haven't there been more F22P, since the fourth was constructed in Pakistan? It is not like PN doesn't need to replace ships.
PNS/M Khalid (S137) - built in France by DCN Cherbourg, completed in 1999if i'm not wrong in mid 2000s PN was in talks with germany to buy U-214 subs... So money was there..
this is the very same question i have asked to senior members including @Rashid Mahmood but didn't get any replay..Funny how all attention went to newer designs but additional Agosta 90Bs were apparently never considered.
As for the submarine adventures of Malaysia: IN 1997, two decommissioned Dutch boats, Zwaardvis and Tijgerhaai, were loaded onto a ship and transported to PSC-Naval Dockyard, Lumut, Malaysia in anticipation of purchase by the Malaysian Navy. However, the Malaysian Navy declined the offer and chose the French Scorpène class instead. The two ex-Dutch boats are still in Lumut awaiting a buyer and possible refurbishment. The two Scorpenes for Malasia were laid down in April of 2004 and April of 2005. They were built by DCNS in Cherbourg and Navantia in Cartagena, Spain (the fore section was built at DCNS and joined to the aft section, which was built by Navantia). They were launched October 2007, resp. October 2008 and commissioned January 2009 and December 2009this is the very same question i have asked to senior members including @Rashid Mahmood but didn't get any replay..
any reason for not persuading further A-90s??
Is PN not happy with them??
@Penguin sir, i have a question which i want to ask you..
we have ToT on A-90 and licence to export it.. why A-90 was not offered to Thailand and Malaysia few years back..
Russia will have to think 1000 times to come for Turkey ...Russia itself is a dwindling economy ...Panam leaks has exposed the Putin's mafia recently which is sucking on the wealth of Russian Federation ....Turkey shot down their jet ...Had it been the same Russia, Turkey would not shoot it down at first place ...If you ask me ...Turkey is much better in terms of Defense and Economy as compared to the present day Russia ....With Russia breathing down Erdogan's neck
And with NATO unlikely to come to its rescue in case of a Russian Invasion
Turkey might Just ask PN to lease 1 Agosta 90B sub
Along with 2 Sqds of F16 with 40-50 Brave pilots
Bhai even if u upgrade it it also a old it's hull inside pipes are old it's hull cannot stand more than 250 feet with single hulled"It is also possible to upgrade these submarines with the latest Air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems. The first ships to receive this upgrade were to be three ships of the Greek Poseidon class Type 209/1200 under the Neptune II upgrade program. They were to be upgraded by cutting the boat in half aft of the control room and adding a 6 m plug with an 120 kW Siemens AIP system to the ship. The program was canceled in 2009 due to cancellation of the Archimedes Project (Type 214), but not before Okeanos (S118) completed the upgrade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine
300 feet is about 91.44 meters. I don't know where you get the idea a Type 209 can dive only 90m...
Test depth: 500 metres (1,600 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine#Technical_specifications
That's better than the Agosta 70's test depth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agosta-class_submarine
- 300 m (980 ft) (France, Spain)
- 350 m (1,150 ft) (Pakistan)
And that of the Daphne, which has a test depth of 300 m (980 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphné-class_submarine
Kilo diving depth:
Walrus class diving depth: >300 m (980 ft)
- Operational: 240 m (790 ft)
- Maximum: 300 m (980 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walrus-class_submarine
Type 212A Test depth: over 700 m (2,296 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine
Type 214 diving depth: 250m (400m theoretical)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_214_submarine
Nowegian navy Ula class: 200 m (656 ft)+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ula-class_submarine
Test depth is the maximum depth at which a submarine is permitted to operate under normal peacetime circumstances, and is tested during sea trials. The test depth is set at two-thirds of the design depth for United States Navy submarines, while the Royal Navy sets test depth slightly deeper than half (4/7ths) of the design depth, and the German Navy sets it at exactly one-half of design depth.
Design depth is the nominal depth listed in the submarine's specifications. From it the designers calculate the thickness of the hull metal, the boat's displacement, and many other related factors. Since the designers incorporate margins of error in their calculations, crush depth of an actual vessel should be slightly deeper than its design depth.
The maximum operating depth (popularly called the never-exceed depth) is the maximum depth at which a submarine is allowed to operate under any (e.g. battle) conditions.
Crush depth, officially called collapse depth, is the submerged depth at which a submarine's hull will collapse due to pressure. This is normally calculated; however, it is not always accurate. Submarines from many nations in World War II reported being forced through crush depth, due to flooding or mechanical failure, only to have the water pumped out, or the failure repaired, and succeed in surfacing again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_depth_ratings
Limited funds + limited willing suppliers, what else can I say....