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In my opinion No, Pakistan should now try to concentrate on acquiring Nuclear Subs. If still there is a need to get new subs then advance submarines should be purchased from China.
Everything is possible, it depends on Pakistan's needs. If Russia could offer SSN to India, we also could offer SSN to counter balance it.Can I add my views here..
First why lease if you can buy or build..
Second if u folks want a lease asset say one in number for PN then why not a SSN older one from Chinese navy
Will that not help your own PN from
A) preparing for the black project of nuclear sub
B) training crew
C) the SLBM program
@Beast @wanglaokan is it not possible for PN to have a SSN sub for a 10 year lease from you guys. I mean if you folks don't want to give the latest aub its fine how about a used aub say approx 15 20 years old. Even one SSN may help PN much better for their own domestic N sub project..
Everything is possible, it depends on Pakistan's needs. If Russia could offer SSN to India, we also could offer SSN to counter balance it.
Pakistan's 3 Agosta 90B Submarines are shouldering the burden of defending the coastline. The 2 Agosta 70s are basically museum pieces that shouldn't be used because they risk the lives of the crews; due to their age much less their antiquated technology
Pakistan has always tried to acquire a qualitative edge over the Indians where it can. if Pakistan at least leases one if not two upgraded Turkish type 209 submarines; it can fill a gap; while learning about a different design philosophy when designing its future submarine with the Chinese (s-20) and also learn about a type the Indian navy operates
a 5 year lease of two of these submarines could be a smart stop-gap measure; especially if Pakistan can get them at a reasonable price
Should Pakistan approach turkey about this?
And India could offer Heavy water reactor for electricity production to Vietnam and Philippines, a reactor which they could also use to produce Plutonium for nuclear bomb.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and India is no pushover. Your leaders are not as big a fool as you are and neither is this 1980.
Everything is possible, it depends on Pakistan's needs. If Russia could offer SSN to India, we also could offer SSN to counter balance it.
Pakistan's 3 Agosta 90B Submarines are shouldering the burden of defending the coastline. The 2 Agosta 70s are basically museum pieces that shouldn't be used because they risk the lives of the crews; due to their age much less their antiquated technology
Pakistan has always tried to acquire a qualitative edge over the Indians where it can. if Pakistan at least leases one if not two upgraded Turkish type 209 submarines; it can fill a gap; while learning about a different design philosophy when designing its future submarine with the Chinese (s-20) and also learn about a type the Indian navy operates
a 5 year lease of two of these submarines could be a smart stop-gap measure; especially if Pakistan can get them at a reasonable price
Should Pakistan approach turkey about this?
Turkish industry officials have told Defense News they are ready to offer Pakistan Type-209s if asked.
Turkey, one of Pakistan's closest allies and strongest defense industry partners, shelved its plans to upgrade its six Type-209/1200 Atilay class subs with AIP systems in favor of acquiring the Type-214.
However, Pakistani defense industry officials have said Islamabad would prefer a newer design.
Pakistan To Buy 8 Submarines From China
mind you a stop gap lease is not needed as pakistan is not going to war tommorow.[/Q
I suppose we are buying 8 S-20 subs , Are the S-20 better then the Type 209 or The indian scorpian subs ??
We should sell these subs to countries like Bangladesh or Srilanka who have no sub fleet , Or we should Upgrade these agosta's and us them for support or training purposes .Why not refurnish Agosta 70B to 90B standard?
there were indications in the recent past that before Chinese subs agreement the Agosta 70s were upgraded and are fully operational. So we should stop giving statements without proofs. Secondly Pak has already faced effects of leasing Naval based assets. Further we should not make PN junkyard of oldies.
To get economy in case of naval assets PN should start joint projects with China to get real manufacturing capabilities not just assembling. We should go for production of ASHMs ourselves.
Pak may come in position in next few years at least to produce and sell FAC to other countries to compensate heavy PN expected expenses. All needs forecasting and planning which may be present at Naval Hq but not in Govt.
Pakistan is smart to stick with a powerhouse like China for making a major weapon system. Turkey is too weak.
You are buying the superdooper S-80 sub from the super dooper power China,i dont think you will join the Milden program of a ''weak'' country,i guess you are to smart for that,as the troll above(beast) stated.
Thats because of your stupid huge population , If you had the same population as the Turks u wouldnt even have a GDP 200 millionyes. you guys are even below us.
India(GDP)= 2.1 trillion
turkey(GDP)= 800 billion
yes. you guys are even below us.
India(GDP)= 2.1 trillion
turkey(GDP)= 800 billion
Lol dont talk about money Indians , Cause your 70% population doesnt even have toilets in their houses ,No, no. It's average Indian doesn't have a house and live in slums. While we do. Average Indian earns like 1 dollar a day lol while minimum wage here is 1300tl.
Not a turkish slaves, Both are your fathers It seems Your in the delusion not Turkeyanother Pakistani slave of turkey.
IF India had a Population of 77 Million There GDP would have been Equilant to Any African State i supposePopulation of India =1.25 billion
Population of Turkey=77 million
Not even mention natural resources like oil and natural gas.
Quite interesting....
ok i give up your masters are super power. dont quote me ever again. i dont want to see your madrasa education.Not a turkish slaves, Both are your fathers It seems Your in the delusion not Turkey
If Pakistan Navy wanted to procure U-209's it could have done this by ordering them new... These are still being produced... https://defence.pk/threads/two-more-u-209-for-egyptian-navy.360194/Pakistan's 3 Agosta 90B Submarines are shouldering the burden of defending the coastline. The 2 Agosta 70s are basically museum pieces that shouldn't be used because they risk the lives of the crews; due to their age much less their antiquated technology
Pakistan has always tried to acquire a qualitative edge over the Indians where it can. if Pakistan at least leases one if not two upgraded Turkish type 209 submarines; it can fill a gap; while learning about a different design philosophy when designing its future submarine with the Chinese (s-20) and also learn about a type the Indian navy operates
a 5 year lease of two of these submarines could be a smart stop-gap measure; especially if Pakistan can get them at a reasonable price
Should Pakistan approach turkey about this?
They have been making the U-214TN...Never knew Turkey makes its own submarines
Over the years PDF has been up with many options regarding PN Submarine options...This brought some very interesting questions to my mind...NO.
You use the Agosta 70s for training and theAgosta 90B for serious duty. They are paid for, they are reasonably capable and reasonablyt up to date. Why bother with a lease of a new shiptype?
The Indian already have similar boats and know each and every detail...PN does not need to lease any Sub.
We don't require to lease or train on a type which is on the exit.
I believe Pakistan is the sole user of Agosta-90B, so the only 'old Agosta' you could possibly get would be Agosta-70, of which the French have decommissioned 4 and Spain 1. Only the Spanish boat is 3-4 years younger than the PN Agosta-70s. No Spanish boat - in service or decommissioned - is more than max 6 years younger than PN Agosta-70s. There is little point in persuing these boats.Why is PN not looking for more old Agosta-90's?
I think it would be brilliant Idea after all by that time our six submarines will be ready...