Should Pakistan be worried about status of AH-1Z (Zulus) ?

[sparten]

There is a reason that PAA evaluated Mi-35 alongwith Z-19 at the same time, since they expected this might occur. Which is also the reason why they have order 15 (one sqd plus 3 spares) not closer to the 80 we actually need.

Everything we buy from the US as a matter of policy, we get stuff which is i) easily replaced and ii) has obvious alternate sources. Like the TOW2. F16's and not in large numbers.

 

[mikaal hassan]

Man I used to think I was anti military but at least let's pay respect to these people because somewjere along the line these people become what they are out of their dedication and hard work.
Kindly suggest why should the military abandon its stock machines when they have long man hours and operational proclivity on these cobras.
It's not about pride only sir the army has to factor in lots of other considerations, you're not making any sense at all.

I am not anti military but I just can't stand the top stupid brass of all 3 branches of military reason why because of there stupid decision making skills from the 1990s onwards ...the military branches not bringing themselves up to date by the passage of time still using the rules and regulations left by the English ..still living in a society where they need to be given land for services to the country.... for which they got paid like every other government employee.....people on this forum don't like to hear the truth they start jumping like kids as soon as they hear the truth trying to defend the military when they make bad decision which are harmful for the country both long and short term

 

[Jinn Baba]

Bye bye Zulus

May be this is why PA was exploring other options even after getting clearance for these.

 

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I am not anti military but I just can't stand the top stupid brass of all 3 branches of military reason why because of there stupid decision making skills from the 1990s onwards ...the military branches not bringing themselves up to date by the passage of time still using the rules and regulations left by the English ..still living in a society where they need to be given land for services to the country.... for which they got paid like every other government employee.....people on this forum don't like to hear the truth they start jumping like kids as soon as they hear the truth trying to defend the military when they make bad decision which are harmful for the country both long and short term

As I said the military cannot abandon a platform with years of Experiance in the field of operations.
The military can only do so much we need the big *** public corporates to setup helicopter factories like they do in our eastern neighbouring country to help with private enthusiasts / industrialists then it slowly becomes commercialised (as the same case with our auto industry) they can be used to help with indigenous development through shares.
It ain't easy work man , even if you buy from Chinese remember what they did in the kargil war IMO they caused the Pakistani withdrawal and also the coup by involving United States pretending to be some macho saviour they're the last people we want to blindly trust.

 

[MastanKhan]

As I said the military cannot abandon a platform with years of Experiance in the field of operations.
The military can only do so much we need the big *** public corporates to setup helicopter factories like they do in our eastern neighbouring country to help with private enthusiasts / industrialists then it slowly becomes commercialised (as the same case with our auto industry) they can be used to help with indigenous development through shares.
It ain't easy work man , even if you buy from Chinese remember what they did in the kargil war IMO they caused the Pakistani withdrawal and also the coup by involving United States pretending to be some macho saviour they're the last people we want to blindly trust.

Sir,

I am shocked to read your SOB STORY With all disrespect intended.

When it comes to the nation---you cannot do the right---you cannot think and plan in a timely manner---you are clueless in what direction to go---one frigging excuse after the other.

 

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Sir,

I am shocked to read your SOB STORY With all disrespect intended.

Ok

 

[MastanKhan]

Well after what Mr Trump has said should we be worried about status of Zulus ? Also should we even go ahead with the deal because chances of we facing sanctions for spare parts in most crucial time have doubled ?

Hi,

Zulus is not the only thing that we need to be worried about---. We need to be worried about our national security as well.

Trump is a weak president---he has gained no respect from the public---. No Korea just looked him the eye and made him blink---and that is what Pakistan needs to be afraid of---.

Because he might not blink this time---.

 

[mikaal hassan]

As I said the military cannot abandon a platform with years of Experiance in the field of operations.
The military can only do so much we need the big *** public corporates to setup helicopter factories like they do in our eastern neighbouring country to help with private enthusiasts / industrialists then it slowly becomes commercialised (as the same case with our auto industry) they can be used to help with indigenous development through shares.
It ain't easy work man , even if you buy from Chinese remember what they did in the kargil war IMO they caused the Pakistani withdrawal and also the coup by involving United States pretending to be some macho saviour they're the last people we want to blindly trust.

Fair enough but does that mean we won't try anything. New because we got experience

Hi,

Zulus is not the only thing that we need to be worried about---. We need to be worried about our national security as well.

Trump is a weak president---he has gained no respect from the public---. No Korea just looked him the eye and made him blink---and that is what Pakistan needs to be afraid of---.

Because he might not blink this time---.

i totally agree if you look at the over all situation from last 3 years it's like big men's chess game being played within our boundires by Us china Russia India Iran and certain middle eastern countries our weakness is we have got incompetent leadership both military and civilian who don't want to put there diffences on one side for Pakistan as Pakistanis ..only because each of the civilian and military leadership think they are right and everyone else is wrong and they know better then anyone else ....the result is as a nation we Are being played around by low life bully boys like Us and India and Iran ...it's not just internationally we lack togethernes even on this forum things have changed a lot from past 3 plus years where a lot of Pakistani members have got no respect for each other only because they don't like someone's opinion ...when you forget to respect each other you let outsiders take advantage of you .today it's Us tommrow it will be someone else ...there was a time we use to be just proud Pakistanis now we are being divided more and more into Sindhi Punjabi balochi and Pathan I miss those days

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The White House doesn't get to radically change policies on a whim. It is a process designed for months - if not years - by US think tanks and technocrats. Trump just said what they had all been thinking for a while, but that doesn't change the reality that these circles still want Pakistan to focus on COIN conducive to US interests. For its part, Pakistan's military leadership hasn't actually said "no" to the call, rather, it now wants "appreciation" for its efforts.

PS: Just stating things as they are, not saying Pakistan should do one thing or the other.

 

[Aasimkhan]

I am not anti military but I just can't stand the top stupid brass of all 3 branches of military reason why because of there stupid decision making skills from the 1990s onwards ...the military branches not bringing themselves up to date by the passage of time still using the rules and regulations left by the English ..still living in a society where they need to be given land for services to the country.... for which they got paid like every other government employee.....people on this forum don't like to hear the truth they start jumping like kids as soon as they hear the truth trying to defend the military when they make bad decision which are harmful for the country both long and short term

Mikaal please avoid such rhetoric. This is off the topic. I can satisfy your mental frustration but this is not the right forum.

Meaning Pakistan paid 100% for the helicopters, correct?



Sorry, but COAS doesn't know what he's talking about -- he's a soldier, not an economist. It makes a great sound bite but it's an absurd statement.

You are an Indian. Obviously you will say so

 

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Fair enough but does that mean we won't try anything. New because we got experience

i totally agree if you look at the over all situation from last 3 years it's like big men's chess game being played within our boundires by Us china Russia India Iran and certain middle eastern countries our weakness is we have got incompetent leadership both military and civilian who don't want to put there diffences on one side for Pakistan as Pakistanis ..only because each of the civilian and military leadership think they are right and everyone else is wrong and they know better then anyone else ....the result is as a nation we Are being played around by low life bully boys like Us and India and Iran ...it's not just internationally we lack togethernes even on this forum things have changed a lot from past 3 plus years where a lot of Pakistani members have got no respect for each other only because they don't like someone's opinion ...when you forget to respect each other you let outsiders take advantage of you .today it's Us tommrow it will be someone else ...there was a time we use to be just proud Pakistanis now we are being divided more and more into Sindhi Punjabi balochi and Pathan I miss those days

Lol you both can go ahead and bash your brains out the truth is that the generals will always focus on what they perceive is productive which also includes controlling the foreign policy

The White House doesn't get to radically change policies on a whim.

Exactly sir but here they ain't waking up until the arse is on fire what should matter to us the most is the opinon of the afghan people and look where that has gone.

 

[tarrar]

15 Zulus are coming but there will be no efforts made to acquire US hardware & Pakistan will be opting for Chinese, Russian & friends of Pakistan to meet its defence requirements.

 

[mikaal hassan]

Mikaal please avoid such rhetoric. This is off the topic. I can satisfy your mental frustration but this is not the right forum.


You are an Indian. Obviously you will say so

May be u need to go get your brain checked dude what ever I said nothing is off topic all of it is interlinked but Arse kissers like you won't understand because your blind

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

They will come for now but that's precise reason why didn't Pakistan ordered more helicopters.

Anyways our hi tech procurement policy is not clear, apart from Chinese Subs, we have not inked any major defense imports lately. There was an official MOU signed for Turkish Corvettes but no official agreement yet, same goes for T-129s attack helicopters. For PAF, heck we are even not sure about JF-17 block 3 timelines let alone any new 4.5 generation fighter jet. Have been hearing about JF17 block 3 AESA radar for the last 2 years but no agreement on it as well yet.

 

[Aasimkhan]

May be u need to go get your brain checked dude what ever I said nothing is off topic all of it is interlinked but Arse kissers like you won't understand because your blind

Dont use those words which you use in your home here on the forum. thank you