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Should Kashmir get a chance to decide their future through Referendum?

Should Kashmir get a chance to decide their future through Referendum?


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My friend China will never back out ......when it comes to Pakistan, just like when America tried to attack Pakistan in May 2011 and the Chinese PM said "An Attack on Pakistan will be an attack on China". And supplied Pakistan with 50 Thunders.Seeing this Uncle Sam just ran away.War is not easy as it is said.


where was your friend China, when Pakistan was partitioned into Bangladesh

Where was your friend you need loan to repay International agencies...

Where was your friend when 50000 pakistanis were killed by Taliban
LOL. Wake up. Come back to the real world. Stop believing in fantasies.

:rofl: :omghaha: :cuckoo: :haha: :sarcastic: :laughcry:

YES and wake up people who think India will give up Kashmir
 
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USA didn't gave anything to Pakistan, they only gave $8billion dollars to Pakistan for aid to fight against terrorists.
what about this
Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data | Global development | theguardian.com
Pakistan has historically been among the top recipients of US aid - since 1948, the US has sent more than £30bn in direct aid to the country. Nearly half of this has been for military assistance. However, since Osama bin Laden was discovered and killed in Abbottabad earlier this year, US president Barack Obama has come under increasing pressure to justify US aid spending in the country.
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http://www.bzu.edu.pk/PJSS/vol29no2_2009/FinalPJSS7.pdf
Conclusion
From this analysis of US economic and military aid to Pakistan under different
regimes, it can be concluded that the US has hardly shown any concern for democracy in
Pakistan where its own geo-strategic goals have been at stake. US economic and military
aid was high in the mid-1950s and 1960s when
Pakistan was under military rule. The
main purpose of most US aid during these years was to contain communism and keep
Pakistan from joining the communist bloc. The same trend can be observed during the
military regime of General Zia ul Haq, when Pakistan was a close US ally in the Cold
War. The post-9/11 era of the ‘war on terror’ seems to be identical to the Cold War
period: despite military rule and serious human rights abuses, the US has allocated ample
aid to Pakistan due its alliance with the military-led regime of General Musharraf. This
analysis reinforces the view that every time the US has required Pakistan’s support to
achieve its own geo-political goals, it has shown no hesitation in embracing military
dictators.
The findings also suggest that the US has not given due consideration to the
widely advocated principle of poverty reduc
tion when allocating aid to Pakistan. Kosack
(2003) has pointed out that aid is effective when combined with democracy, and
ineffective (and possibly harmful) in autocracies. The results suggest that aid would be
more effective if it were combined with efforts to encourage democratization.
Unfortunately, this has not been the case with most US bilateral aid to Pakistan. This is
what the author has found during interviews with several government officials and think
tanks. While undertaking a comprehensive fieldwork to collect data for my doctoral
thesis in Pakistan regarding the developmental role of US aid in Pakistan, most officials
informed the author that US aid has not
played a significant or positive role in
socioeconomic uplift or institutional development in the country.
Clearly, US aid policy towards Pakistan has been based quite narrowly on the
achievement of immediate US foreign policy goals. USAID’s own figures indicate how
far the US has fallen short of the lofty ideals voiced by President Truman, and indeed the
rhetoric of freedom and democracy maintained by contemporary American
administrations. While the US Congress debates whether Pakistan has done enough to
warrant more aid, and seeks more intrusive means to dictate exactly how its assistance
should be used, it might do well to ask whether the US should not have “done more” for
democracy in Pakistan. The tragic fact is that US aid has been provided merely to prolong
military regimes in Pakistan to more conveniently achieve US foreign policy objectives
in the region. As long as this blatant sabotage of its political development continues, the
promotion of genuine democracy, human rights, good governance, rule of the law, and
reduction of poverty in Pakistan are likely to remain distant dreams. Coming back to the
KLB and visit of the US Secretary of State to Pakistan against this backdrop, Hillary
Clinton told reporters in Islamabad that terrorism remained a very high priority but the
US also recognised that it was imperative to broaden their engagement with Pakistan and
help the country in terms of economic challenges: to help in the creation of jobs,
improvement of infrastructure, education, healthcare and energy sectors. However, the
democratically elected Prime Minister of
Pakistan has been quoted in the media
complaining of the delays in the disbursal of US aid committed under the KLB. It is high
time for the US to continue its support to Pakistan and help the country strengthen its
democratic regime and institutions.
 
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What about results?? How much kashmir did you gain?
The result:
1.1948 The Pakistan Army frees half of Kashmir from Indian Army.The Azad Kashmir.So victory for Pakistan in 1948.
2.1965 Won by Pakistan on all fronts from the Navy with the Brave Crew of Ghazi submarine which destroyed many indian vessels to the Brave M M.ALAM Becoming an ACE in 60 seconds.And i also have a concrete proof who won the second biggest Tank battle after WW2.With 200 tanks on Pakistan side and 300 tanks on the indian side.General Musharraf was also involved in this Tank battle.
Battle of Chawinda 1965 ( The Australian).
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3.1971 Won by India backed by West Pakistan along with Russian.And Bangladesh came into being.
4.1999 Kargil war, No one won because Nuclear Weapons were going to be used. So a cease fire was signed.
 
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Kashmir should get a chance to decide their future just like Scotland
How many wars has Britain fought with its neighbours to keep Scotland? How many British soldiers have bled and died to protect Scotland from greedy neighbours? How much has Britain invested in Scotland in the form of schools, hospitals, universities, roads, bridges, tunnels etc without Scottish money? How much trade can Scotland do through the sea without relying on neighbours, and how much can Kashmir do? How much mineral wealth (oil) and other natural resources does Scotland have, and how much does Kashmir? Does Scotland have a neighbour that covets it and has attacked it in the past to annex it by force, like Pakistan attacked Kashmir and ended their independence? What is the ratio of Scotland's GDP to the UK's GDP, and what is the ratio of Kashmir's GDP to India's GDP? (That should give an idea of viability of independant existence.) How many rivers that originate in Scotland serve as the lifeline of the UK? Are Scotland and UK part of the same landmass? Other than through war and conquest, would Scotland and Britain and Wales have been naturally one country? Other than through war and violence, do you think anybody could hope to take Kashmir from India? And how many countries in the world have the military capability to do that? Of those countries, how many of them would find it worth the trouble?
 
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The result:
1.1948 The Pakistan Army frees half of Kashmir from Indian Army.The Azad Kashmir.So victory for Pakistan in 1948.
2.1965 Won by Pakistan on all fronts from the Navy with the Brave Crew of Ghazi submarine which destroyed many indian vessels to the Brave M M.ALAM Becoming an ACE in 60 seconds.And i also have a concrete proof who won the second biggest Tank battle after WW2.With 200 tanks on Pakistan side and 300 tanks on the indian side.General Musharraf was also involved in this Tank battle.
Battle of Chawinda 1965 ( The Australian).
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3.1971 Won by India backed by West Pakistan along with Russian.And Bangladesh came into being.
4.1999 Kargil war, No one won become Nuclear Weapons were going to be used. So a cease fire was signed.

History curriculum in Pakistani schools needs a major revision!! :coffee:
 
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The result:
1.1948 The Pakistan Army frees half of Kashmir from Indian Army.The Azad Kashmir.So victory for Pakistan in 1948.
2.1965 Won by Pakistan on all fronts from the Navy with the Brave Crew of Ghazi submarine which destroyed many indian vessels to the Brave M M.ALAM Becoming an ACE in 60 seconds.And i also have a concrete proof who won the second biggest Tank battle after WW2.With 200 tanks on Pakistan side and 300 tanks on the indian side.General Musharraf was also involved in this Tank battle.
Battle of Chawinda 1965 ( The Australian).
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3.1971 Won by India backed by West Pakistan along with Russian.And Bangladesh came into being.
4.1999 Kargil war, No one won become Nuclear Weapons were going to be used. So a cease fire was signed.

1) LOL. Is that what they taught you in school? The reality is that Pakistan attacked the independent Kingdom of Kashmir, and it was after Pak attacked, that Kashmir acceded to India and asked the IA to help. It was then that IA moved in and sent PA back from Srinagar airfield, halting PA's advance and even sending them back from the best parts. You DID NOT wage war against India and take Kashmir from India. You attacked the Kingdom of Kashmir, and now you have the audacity to preach about "freedom" for Kashmir, when you were the cause of them losing independence.

2) In 1965, Pak attacked India hoping to take Kashmir. They could not do it, and ended up desperately defending Lahore instead. Failing all objectives in a war you started is not what victory means. You won some battles, we won many more, and in the end, it was not Kashmir that was under threat, it was Lahore. By the way, do check out the records of the naval war. You would be surprised.

3) Russia did not intervene, except to keep American carriers away. We cut our enemy into two bits, irreversibly and forever eliminating one hostile flank.

4) Again, it was a war that Pakistan started to take Kashmir, and did not. Bigger result being that the whole world lost all sympathy for Pakistan, and in 2003 a ceasefire was declared, effectively meaning that the LoC is the de facto border.

History curriculum in Pakistani schools needs a major revision!! :coffee:
I wouldn't be surprised if that fellow now says that one muslim soldier equals ten hindu ones, without any doubt about it in his mind. Apparently he has swallowed all the crap history his teachers taught him, hook line and sinker.
 
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http://www.bzu.edu.pk/PJSS/vol29no2_2009/FinalPJSS7.pdf
Conclusion
From this analysis of US economic and military aid to Pakistan under different
regimes, it can be concluded that the US has hardly shown any concern for democracy in
Pakistan where its own geo-strategic goals have been at stake. US economic and military
aid was high in the mid-1950s and 1960s when
Pakistan was under military rule. The
main purpose of most US aid during these years was to contain communism and keep
Pakistan from joining the communist bloc. The same trend can be observed during the
military regime of General Zia ul Haq, when Pakistan was a close US ally in the Cold
War. The post-9/11 era of the ‘war on terror’ seems to be identical to the Cold War
period: despite military rule and serious human rights abuses, the US has allocated ample
aid to Pakistan due its alliance with the military-led regime of General Musharraf. This
analysis reinforces the view that every time the US has required Pakistan’s support to
achieve its own geo-political goals, it has shown no hesitation in embracing military
dictators.
The findings also suggest that the US has not given due consideration to the
widely advocated principle of poverty reduc
tion when allocating aid to Pakistan. Kosack
(2003) has pointed out that aid is effective when combined with democracy, and
ineffective (and possibly harmful) in autocracies. The results suggest that aid would be
more effective if it were combined with efforts to encourage democratization.
Unfortunately, this has not been the case with most US bilateral aid to Pakistan. This is
what the author has found during interviews with several government officials and think
tanks. While undertaking a comprehensive fieldwork to collect data for my doctoral
thesis in Pakistan regarding the developmental role of US aid in Pakistan, most officials
informed the author that US aid has not
played a significant or positive role in
socioeconomic uplift or institutional development in the country.
Clearly, US aid policy towards Pakistan has been based quite narrowly on the
achievement of immediate US foreign policy goals. USAID’s own figures indicate how
far the US has fallen short of the lofty ideals voiced by President Truman, and indeed the
rhetoric of freedom and democracy maintained by contemporary American
administrations. While the US Congress debates whether Pakistan has done enough to
warrant more aid, and seeks more intrusive means to dictate exactly how its assistance
should be used, it might do well to ask whether the US should not have “done more” for
democracy in Pakistan. The tragic fact is that US aid has been provided merely to prolong
military regimes in Pakistan to more conveniently achieve US foreign policy objectives
in the region. As long as this blatant sabotage of its political development continues, the
promotion of genuine democracy, human rights, good governance, rule of the law, and
reduction of poverty in Pakistan are likely to remain distant dreams. Coming back to the
KLB and visit of the US Secretary of State to Pakistan against this backdrop, Hillary
Clinton told reporters in Islamabad that terrorism remained a very high priority but the
US also recognised that it was imperative to broaden their engagement with Pakistan and
help the country in terms of economic challenges: to help in the creation of jobs,
improvement of infrastructure, education, healthcare and energy sectors. However, the
democratically elected Prime Minister of
Pakistan has been quoted in the media
complaining of the delays in the disbursal of US aid committed under the KLB. It is high
time for the US to continue its support to Pakistan and help the country strengthen its
democratic regime and institutions.

Diplomatic relations between Pakistan and China were established on 21 May 1951, shortly after the Republic Of China lost power in the Mainland in 1949. While initially ambivalent towards the idea of a Communist country on its borders, Pakistan hoped that China would serve as a counterweight to Indian influence. And indian and chinese border tensions leading to the 1962 Sino-Indian war, China and Pakistan aligned with each other in a joint effort to counter perceived Indian encroachment. One year after China's border war with India, Pakistan ceded the Trans-Karakoram Tract to China to end border disputes and improve diplomatic relations.

Since then, an informal alliance that initially consisted of joint Indian opposition has grown into a lasting relationship that has benefited both nations on the diplomatic, economic and military frontiers. Along with diplomatic support, Pakistan served as a conduit for China to open up to the West. China has in turn provided extensive economic aid and political support to Pakistan.


Pakistan's military initially depended on American armaments and aid, which was increased during the covert U.S. support of Islamic militants in the Soviet war in Afghanistan. However, the period following the Soviet withdrawal and the dissolution of the Soviet Union led indirectly to the increasing realignment of America with the previously pro-Soviet India. The Pressler Amendment in 1990 suspended all American military assistance and any new economic aid amidst concerns that Pakistan was attempting to develop a nuclear weapon. Given the support that Pakistan had given them during the War in Afghanistan, many Pakistanis saw this as a betrayal that sold out Pakistani interests in favor of India. This belief was further strengthened as India had developed a nuclear weapon without significant American opposition, and Pakistan felt obligated to do the same. Consequently, the primarily geopolitical alliance between Pakistan and China has since 1990 branched out into military and economic cooperation, due to Pakistan's belief that America's influence and support in the region should be counterbalanced by the Chinese.

With the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, there is a general sentiment in Pakistan to adopt a foreign policy which favors China over the United States. Washington has been accused deserting Pakistan in favor of a policy that favors stronger relations with India, while Pakistan sees China as a more reliable ally over the long term.

Since 9/11, Pakistan has increased the scope of Chinese influence and support by agreeing to a number of military projects, combined with extensive economic support and investment from the Chinese. This is partially due to Pakistan's strategy of playing off the two powers against each other, but also a genuine effort to prevent America's influence in the region from becoming too strong. In return, the Chinese hope to strengthen Pakistan as a counterbalance to American and Indian influence.

Military Relations

There are strong military ties between People's Republic of China and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. This alliance between two neighbouring Asian nations is significant geo-politically. The strong military ties primarily aim to counter regional Indian and American influence, and was also to repel Soviet influence in the area. In recent years this relationship has strengthened through ongoing military projects and agreements between Pakistan and China.

Since 1962, China has been a steady source of military equipment to the Pakistani Army, helping establish munition factories, providing technological assistance and modernizing existing facilities.

Hongdu JL-8 is co-produced by both Pakistan and China.
Most recently, the Chinese Chengdu J-10B fighter was compared to its closest American counterpart, the Lockheed Martin F-16C Block 52/60, the most advanced F-16, for orders on either aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force, resulting in the wins of the Chinese Chengdu J-10B. Accordingly, the Chengdu J-10B had more advanced technology such as its radar and OLS targeting system, and its new generation stealthy features, such as its DSI intake gave it an edge over the Lockheed Martin F-16.

China and Pakistan are involved in several projects to enhance military and weaponry systems, which include the joint development of the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft, K-8 Karakorum advance training aircraft, a tailor made training aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force based on the Chinese domesticHongdu L-15, space technology, AWACS systems, Al-Khalid tanks, which China granted license production and tailor made modifications based on the initial Chinese Type 90 and/or MBT-2000. The Chinese has designed tailor made advanced weapons for Pakistan, making it a strong military power in the Asian region. The armies have a schedule for organising joint military exercises.

China is the largest investor in Pakistan's Gwadar Deep Sea Port, which is strategically located at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz. It is viewed warily by both America and India as a possible launchpad for the Chinese Navy, giving them the ability to launch submarines and warships in the Indian Ocean.However the Gwadar Port is currently delayed due to amultilateral diplomatic standoff between the project leaders and the Singaporean government.

China has offered Pakistan military aid in order to fight against terrorism in Pakistan. Pakistan has purchased military equipment from China in order to bolster their efforts against Islamic militants.

In the past, China has played a major role in the development of Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure, especially when increasingly stringent export controls in Western countries made it difficult for Pakistan to acquire plutonium and uranium enriching equipment from elsewhere such as the Chinese help in building the Khushab reactor, which plays a key role in Pakistan's production of plutonium. A subsidiary of the China National Nuclear Corporation contributed in Pakistan's efforts to expand its uranium enrichment capabilities by providing 5,000 custom made ring magnets, which are a key component of the bearings that facilitate the high-speed rotation of centrifuges. China has also provided technical and material support in the completion of the Chashma Nuclear Power Complex and plutonium reprocessing facility, which was built in the mid-1990s.

China has become increasing concerned about al-Qaeda linked terrorism originating in Pakistan and sought help to set up military bases on Pakistani soil to deal with the problem.

Economic Relations

Economic trade between Pakistan and China is increasing at a rapid pace and a free trade agreement has recently been signed. Military and technological transactions continue to dominate the economic relationship between the two nations, although in recent years China has pledged to vastly increase their investment in Pakistan's economy and infrastructure. Among other things, China has been helping to develop Pakistan's infrastructure through the building of power plants, roads and communication nodes. Current trade between both countries is at $9 billion, making China the second largest trade partner of Pakistan.

Both countries are keen on strengthening the economic ties between the two, and have promised to 'propel' cross-border trade. This has led to investment in Pakistan's nascent financial and energy sectors, amidst a surge of Chinese investment designed to strengthen ties. Pakistan has in turn been granted free trade zones in China.

The economic relationship between Pakistan and China is composed primarily of Chinese investment in Pakistani interests. China's increasing economic clout has enabled a wide variety of projects to be sponsored in Pakistan through Chinese credit. Pakistani investment in China is also encouraged, and cross-border trade remains fluid.

In 2011 China Kingho Group canceled a $19 billion mining deal because of security concerns.

On 26 April, China Mobile announced $ 1 billion of investment in Pakistan in telecommunication infrastructure and training of its officials within a period of three years.[30] The announcement came a day after China Mobile subsidy Zong emerged as the highest bidder in the 3G auction, claiming a 10 MHz 3G band licence, qualifying for the 4G licence.

Pakistan-China Economic Corridor
Pak-China Economic Corridor is under construction. It will connect Pakistan with China and the Central Asian countries with highway connecting Kashgar to Khunjrab and Gwadar.[ Gwadar port in southern Pakistan will serve as the trade nerve center for China, as most of its trade especially that of oil will be done through the port, which is already controlled by Beijing. Currently, sixty percent of China’s oil must be transported by ship from the Persian Gulf to the only commercial port in China, Shanghai, a distance of more than 16,000 kilometres. The journey takes two to three months, during which time the ships are vulnerable to pirates, bad weather, political rivals and other risks. Using Gwadar port instead will reduce the distance these ships must travel and will also enable oil transfers to be made year-round.

If you love China, love Pakistan too.

Li Keqiang, Premier of the People's Republic of China
The support with which China and Pakistan give each other is considered significant in global diplomacy, and has been compared to Israel – United States relations. In 2010, when a US delegate confronted a Chinese diplomat about Beijing's uncompromising support for Pakistan, the Chinese reportedly responded: "Pakistan is our Israel."According to a Pew survey of Pakistan public opinion in 2010, 84 percent of respondents said they had a favorable view of China and 16 percent had a favorable view of the United States. These results showed that Pakistan is the most pro-China country in the world.Similarly, the Chinese state-run media has portrayed Pakistan in a favorable light in regional issues. In 2013, this figure increased to 90% of Pakistanis having a favorable view of China.

Pakistan and China have long praised the close ties the two countries have with each other. China has been referred to by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf as their "time-tested and all-weather friend", while in return Chinese president Hu Jintao has referred to Pakistan as "a good friend and partner".These statements are noted by some observers as occurring after Pakistani relations with the United States or India have become strained, such as after Osama Bin Laden was killed by American forces without Pakistan's prior permission.

On July 2013, Pew Research Center as part of there Global Attitudes Project declared Pakistan to have the most positive view of China in the world, according to the research 81% of Pakistanis responded favorable to China. On the other hand only 11% of Pakistanis had favorable view on United States, lowest in the world.

Pakistan, with its strategic position, natural resources and warm-water ports, has long been an ally of Beijing. The Chinese see the south Asian state, the closest they have to a friend both in south Asia and in the Islamic world, as important to the security and development of their western, predominantly Muslim provinces, and as a useful aide in efforts to counter the influence of India. In recent years, links have grown closer.

1950 – Pakistan becomes the third non-communist country, and first Muslim one, to recognize the People's Republic of China.
1951 – Beijing and Karachi establish diplomatic relations.
1963 – Pakistan cedes the Trans-Karakoram Tract to China, ending border disputes.
1970 – Pakistan helps the U.S. arrange the 1972 Nixon visit to China.
1978 – The Karakoram Highway linking the mountainous Northern Pakistan with Western China officially opens.
1980s – China and the U.S. provide support through Pakistan to the Afghan guerillasfighting Soviet forces.
1986 – China and Pakistan reach a comprehensive nuclear co-operation agreement.
1996 – Chinese President Jiang Zemin pays a state visit to Pakistan.
1999 – A 300-megawatt nuclear power plant, built with Chinese help in Punjab province, is completed.
2001 – A joint-ventured Chinese-Pakistani tank, the MBT-2000 (Al-Khalid) MBT is completed.
2002 – The building of the Gwadar deep sea port begins, with China as the primary investor.
2003 – Pakistan and China signed a $110 million contract for the construction of a housing project on Multan Road in Lahore
2007 – The Sino-Pakistani joint-ventured multirole fighter aircraft – the JF-17 Thunder (FC-1 Fierce Dragon) is formally rolled out.
2008 – Pakistan welcomes the Chinese Olympic Torch in an Islamabad sports stadium, under heavy guard amidst security concerns.
2008 – China and Pakistan sign a free trade agreement.
2008 – Pakistan and China to build a railway through the Karakoram Highway, in order to link China's rail network toGwadar Port.
2008 – The F-22P frigate, comes into service with the Pakistani Navy.
2009 – The ISI arrest several suspected Uyghur terrorists seeking refuge in Pakistan.
2010 – Pakistan and China conduct a joint anti-terrorism drill.
2010 – China donates $260 million in dollars to flood hit Pakistan and sends 4 military rescue helicopters to assist in rescue operations.
2010Wen Jiabao visits Pakistan. More than 30 billion dollars worth of deals were signed.
2011 – Pakistan is expected to buy air to air SD 10 missiles from China for its 250 JF 17 thunder fighter fleet
2013 - Management of Gwadar port is handed over to state-run Chinese Overseas Port Holdings after previously being managed by Singapore’s PSA Internationaland it becomes a matter of great concern for India.
2013 – Chinese Premier Li Keqiang visits Pakistan. Trade between China and Pakistan hit a 12-month figure of $12 billion for the first time in 2012.
2013 – On 5 July 2013, Pakistan and China approved the Pak-China Economic corridor which will link Pakistan’sGwadar Port on the Arabian Sea and Kashghar in Xinjiang in northwest China. The $18 billion project will also includes the construction of a 200km-long tunnel.
2013 – On 24 December 2013, China announced a commitment $6.5 billion to finance the construction of a major nuclear power project in Karachi, the project which will have two reactors with a capacity of 1,100 megawatts each.
2014: Chinese Premier announced investment of $31.5 billion in Pakistan mainly in countries energy, infrastructure and port expansion for Gwadar. According to The Express Tribune initially projects worth $15-20 billion will be started which include Lahore-Karachi motorway, Gwadar Port expansion and energy sector projects will be launched in Gadani and six coal projects near Thar coalfield. The newspaper further claimed that the government has also handed over to Pakistan Army the task of providing fool-proof security to Chinese officials in Balochistan, Pakistan in a bid to address Beijing’s concerns and execute the investment plan in the province, which will get 38% of the funds.
2014: On 22 May 2014, The governments of Pakistan and China on Thursday signed an agreement to start a metro train project in Lahore, Express News reported. The 27.1 kilometres long track – named Orange Line – will be built at the cost of $1.27 billion.
 
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Diplomatic relations between Pakistan and China were established on 21 May 1951, shortly after the Republic Of China lost power in the Mainland in 1949. While initially ambivalent towards the idea of a Communist country on its borders, Pakistan hoped that China would serve as a counterweight to Indian influence. And indian and chinese border tensions leading to the 1962 Sino-Indian war, China and Pakistan aligned with each other in a joint effort to counter perceived Indian encroachment. One year after China's border war with India, Pakistan ceded the Trans-Karakoram Tract to China to end border disputes and improve diplomatic relations.

Since then, an informal alliance that initially consisted of joint Indian opposition has grown into a lasting relationship that has benefited both nations on the diplomatic, economic and military frontiers. Along with diplomatic support, Pakistan served as a conduit for China to open up to the West. China has in turn provided extensive economic aid and political support to Pakistan.


Pakistan's military initially depended on American armaments and aid, which was increased during the covert U.S. support of Islamic militants in the Soviet war in Afghanistan. However, the period following the Soviet withdrawal and the dissolution of the Soviet Union led indirectly to the increasing realignment of America with the previously pro-Soviet India. The Pressler Amendment in 1990 suspended all American military assistance and any new economic aid amidst concerns that Pakistan was attempting to develop a nuclear weapon. Given the support that Pakistan had given them during the War in Afghanistan, many Pakistanis saw this as a betrayal that sold out Pakistani interests in favor of India. This belief was further strengthened as India had developed a nuclear weapon without significant American opposition, and Pakistan felt obligated to do the same. Consequently, the primarily geopolitical alliance between Pakistan and China has since 1990 branched out into military and economic cooperation, due to Pakistan's belief that America's influence and support in the region should be counterbalanced by the Chinese.

With the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, there is a general sentiment in Pakistan to adopt a foreign policy which favors China over the United States. Washington has been accused deserting Pakistan in favor of a policy that favors stronger relations with India, while Pakistan sees China as a more reliable ally over the long term.

Since 9/11, Pakistan has increased the scope of Chinese influence and support by agreeing to a number of military projects, combined with extensive economic support and investment from the Chinese. This is partially due to Pakistan's strategy of playing off the two powers against each other, but also a genuine effort to prevent America's influence in the region from becoming too strong. In return, the Chinese hope to strengthen Pakistan as a counterbalance to American and Indian influence.

Military Relations

There are strong military ties between People's Republic of China and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. This alliance between two neighbouring Asian nations is significant geo-politically. The strong military ties primarily aim to counter regional Indian and American influence, and was also to repel Soviet influence in the area. In recent years this relationship has strengthened through ongoing military projects and agreements between Pakistan and China.

Since 1962, China has been a steady source of military equipment to the Pakistani Army, helping establish munition factories, providing technological assistance and modernizing existing facilities.

Hongdu JL-8 is co-produced by both Pakistan and China.
Most recently, the Chinese Chengdu J-10B fighter was compared to its closest American counterpart, the Lockheed Martin F-16C Block 52/60, the most advanced F-16, for orders on either aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force, resulting in the wins of the Chinese Chengdu J-10B. Accordingly, the Chengdu J-10B had more advanced technology such as its radar and OLS targeting system, and its new generation stealthy features, such as its DSI intake gave it an edge over the Lockheed Martin F-16.

China and Pakistan are involved in several projects to enhance military and weaponry systems, which include the joint development of the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft, K-8 Karakorum advance training aircraft, a tailor made training aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force based on the Chinese domesticHongdu L-15, space technology, AWACS systems, Al-Khalid tanks, which China granted license production and tailor made modifications based on the initial Chinese Type 90 and/or MBT-2000. The Chinese has designed tailor made advanced weapons for Pakistan, making it a strong military power in the Asian region. The armies have a schedule for organising joint military exercises.

China is the largest investor in Pakistan's Gwadar Deep Sea Port, which is strategically located at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz. It is viewed warily by both America and India as a possible launchpad for the Chinese Navy, giving them the ability to launch submarines and warships in the Indian Ocean.However the Gwadar Port is currently delayed due to amultilateral diplomatic standoff between the project leaders and the Singaporean government.

China has offered Pakistan military aid in order to fight against terrorism in Pakistan. Pakistan has purchased military equipment from China in order to bolster their efforts against Islamic militants.

In the past, China has played a major role in the development of Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure, especially when increasingly stringent export controls in Western countries made it difficult for Pakistan to acquire plutonium and uranium enriching equipment from elsewhere such as the Chinese help in building the Khushab reactor, which plays a key role in Pakistan's production of plutonium. A subsidiary of the China National Nuclear Corporation contributed in Pakistan's efforts to expand its uranium enrichment capabilities by providing 5,000 custom made ring magnets, which are a key component of the bearings that facilitate the high-speed rotation of centrifuges. China has also provided technical and material support in the completion of the Chashma Nuclear Power Complex and plutonium reprocessing facility, which was built in the mid-1990s.

China has become increasing concerned about al-Qaeda linked terrorism originating in Pakistan and sought help to set up military bases on Pakistani soil to deal with the problem.

Economic Relations

Economic trade between Pakistan and China is increasing at a rapid pace and a free trade agreement has recently been signed. Military and technological transactions continue to dominate the economic relationship between the two nations, although in recent years China has pledged to vastly increase their investment in Pakistan's economy and infrastructure. Among other things, China has been helping to develop Pakistan's infrastructure through the building of power plants, roads and communication nodes. Current trade between both countries is at $9 billion, making China the second largest trade partner of Pakistan.

Both countries are keen on strengthening the economic ties between the two, and have promised to 'propel' cross-border trade. This has led to investment in Pakistan's nascent financial and energy sectors, amidst a surge of Chinese investment designed to strengthen ties. Pakistan has in turn been granted free trade zones in China.

The economic relationship between Pakistan and China is composed primarily of Chinese investment in Pakistani interests. China's increasing economic clout has enabled a wide variety of projects to be sponsored in Pakistan through Chinese credit. Pakistani investment in China is also encouraged, and cross-border trade remains fluid.

In 2011 China Kingho Group canceled a $19 billion mining deal because of security concerns.

On 26 April, China Mobile announced $ 1 billion of investment in Pakistan in telecommunication infrastructure and training of its officials within a period of three years.[30] The announcement came a day after China Mobile subsidy Zong emerged as the highest bidder in the 3G auction, claiming a 10 MHz 3G band licence, qualifying for the 4G licence.

Pakistan-China Economic Corridor
Pak-China Economic Corridor is under construction. It will connect Pakistan with China and the Central Asian countries with highway connecting Kashgar to Khunjrab and Gwadar.[ Gwadar port in southern Pakistan will serve as the trade nerve center for China, as most of its trade especially that of oil will be done through the port, which is already controlled by Beijing. Currently, sixty percent of China’s oil must be transported by ship from the Persian Gulf to the only commercial port in China, Shanghai, a distance of more than 16,000 kilometres. The journey takes two to three months, during which time the ships are vulnerable to pirates, bad weather, political rivals and other risks. Using Gwadar port instead will reduce the distance these ships must travel and will also enable oil transfers to be made year-round.

If you love China, love Pakistan too.

Li Keqiang, Premier of the People's Republic of China
The support with which China and Pakistan give each other is considered significant in global diplomacy, and has been compared to Israel – United States relations. In 2010, when a US delegate confronted a Chinese diplomat about Beijing's uncompromising support for Pakistan, the Chinese reportedly responded: "Pakistan is our Israel."According to a Pew survey of Pakistan public opinion in 2010, 84 percent of respondents said they had a favorable view of China and 16 percent had a favorable view of the United States. These results showed that Pakistan is the most pro-China country in the world.Similarly, the Chinese state-run media has portrayed Pakistan in a favorable light in regional issues. In 2013, this figure increased to 90% of Pakistanis having a favorable view of China.

Pakistan and China have long praised the close ties the two countries have with each other. China has been referred to by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf as their "time-tested and all-weather friend", while in return Chinese president Hu Jintao has referred to Pakistan as "a good friend and partner".These statements are noted by some observers as occurring after Pakistani relations with the United States or India have become strained, such as after Osama Bin Laden was killed by American forces without Pakistan's prior permission.

On July 2013, Pew Research Center as part of there Global Attitudes Project declared Pakistan to have the most positive view of China in the world, according to the research 81% of Pakistanis responded favorable to China. On the other hand only 11% of Pakistanis had favorable view on United States, lowest in the world.

Pakistan, with its strategic position, natural resources and warm-water ports, has long been an ally of Beijing. The Chinese see the south Asian state, the closest they have to a friend both in south Asia and in the Islamic world, as important to the security and development of their western, predominantly Muslim provinces, and as a useful aide in efforts to counter the influence of India. In recent years, links have grown closer.

1950 – Pakistan becomes the third non-communist country, and first Muslim one, to recognize the People's Republic of China.
1951 – Beijing and Karachi establish diplomatic relations.
1963 – Pakistan cedes the Trans-Karakoram Tract to China, ending border disputes.
1970 – Pakistan helps the U.S. arrange the 1972 Nixon visit to China.
1978 – The Karakoram Highway linking the mountainous Northern Pakistan with Western China officially opens.
1980s – China and the U.S. provide support through Pakistan to the Afghan guerillasfighting Soviet forces.
1986 – China and Pakistan reach a comprehensive nuclear co-operation agreement.
1996 – Chinese President Jiang Zemin pays a state visit to Pakistan.
1999 – A 300-megawatt nuclear power plant, built with Chinese help in Punjab province, is completed.
2001 – A joint-ventured Chinese-Pakistani tank, the MBT-2000 (Al-Khalid) MBT is completed.
2002 – The building of the Gwadar deep sea port begins, with China as the primary investor.
2003 – Pakistan and China signed a $110 million contract for the construction of a housing project on Multan Road in Lahore
2007 – The Sino-Pakistani joint-ventured multirole fighter aircraft – the JF-17 Thunder (FC-1 Fierce Dragon) is formally rolled out.
2008 – Pakistan welcomes the Chinese Olympic Torch in an Islamabad sports stadium, under heavy guard amidst security concerns.
2008 – China and Pakistan sign a free trade agreement.
2008 – Pakistan and China to build a railway through the Karakoram Highway, in order to link China's rail network toGwadar Port.
2008 – The F-22P frigate, comes into service with the Pakistani Navy.
2009 – The ISI arrest several suspected Uyghur terrorists seeking refuge in Pakistan.
2010 – Pakistan and China conduct a joint anti-terrorism drill.
2010 – China donates $260 million in dollars to flood hit Pakistan and sends 4 military rescue helicopters to assist in rescue operations.
2010Wen Jiabao visits Pakistan. More than 30 billion dollars worth of deals were signed.
2011 – Pakistan is expected to buy air to air SD 10 missiles from China for its 250 JF 17 thunder fighter fleet
2013 - Management of Gwadar port is handed over to state-run Chinese Overseas Port Holdings after previously being managed by Singapore’s PSA Internationaland it becomes a matter of great concern for India.
2013 – Chinese Premier Li Keqiang visits Pakistan. Trade between China and Pakistan hit a 12-month figure of $12 billion for the first time in 2012.
2013 – On 5 July 2013, Pakistan and China approved the Pak-China Economic corridor which will link Pakistan’sGwadar Port on the Arabian Sea and Kashghar in Xinjiang in northwest China. The $18 billion project will also includes the construction of a 200km-long tunnel.
2013 – On 24 December 2013, China announced a commitment $6.5 billion to finance the construction of a major nuclear power project in Karachi, the project which will have two reactors with a capacity of 1,100 megawatts each.
2014: Chinese Premier announced investment of $31.5 billion in Pakistan mainly in countries energy, infrastructure and port expansion for Gwadar. According to The Express Tribune initially projects worth $15-20 billion will be started which include Lahore-Karachi motorway, Gwadar Port expansion and energy sector projects will be launched in Gadani and six coal projects near Thar coalfield. The newspaper further claimed that the government has also handed over to Pakistan Army the task of providing fool-proof security to Chinese officials in Balochistan, Pakistan in a bid to address Beijing’s concerns and execute the investment plan in the province, which will get 38% of the funds.
2014: On 22 May 2014, The governments of Pakistan and China on Thursday signed an agreement to start a metro train project in Lahore, Express News reported. The 27.1 kilometres long track – named Orange Line – will be built at the cost of $1.27 billion.
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be brief
a freind in need is friend in deed ...
chian did not ful fill this wrt pak
 
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Kashmir belongs to India. There should be referendum for the Kashmiris to live in India or pak.if they felt that their butt was got hurt in India,they can freely move out to pak.
 
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The result:
1.1948 The Pakistan Army frees half of Kashmir from Indian Army.The Azad Kashmir.So victory for Pakistan in 1948.
2.1965 Won by Pakistan on all fronts from the Navy with the Brave Crew of Ghazi submarine which destroyed many indian vessels to the Brave M M.ALAM Becoming an ACE in 60 seconds.And i also have a concrete proof who won the second biggest Tank battle after WW2.With 200 tanks on Pakistan side and 300 tanks on the indian side.General Musharraf was also involved in this Tank battle.
Battle of Chawinda 1965 ( The Australian).
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3.1971 Won by India backed by West Pakistan along with Russian.And Bangladesh came into being.
4.1999 Kargil war, No one won because Nuclear Weapons were going to be used. So a cease fire was signed.
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bbc cnn reuters nyt any ? any?
 
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Times are changing...referendum now ? or in the future ? HA HA HA...

pakistan has spent its islam card in kashmir. it's our turn.

samajh lo ab congress waali baat nahi rahi..
 
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As per you kashmir was attacked by Pakistan! Ok then, can you kindly explain me why Kashmiris are not seeking indepandance from Pakistani kashmir (Azad kashmir) instead they have been fighting for their freedom in indian occupied Kashmir and secondly why did india deployed 700000 army in kashmir and why Pakistan didn't deployed any army in pakistani kashmir? That is because the fact is clear, all the bs that indian media and bollywood movies pours into Indians little mind has brought you guys totally far away from reality. For 70 years kashmiris has been fighting and sacrifizing their lives for their cause and they did not even backed away from their cause not even by an inch instead their passion has multiplied in last 7 decades and inshallah I'm sure in near future my Kashmiri brothers will become free from your rapist and brutal indian army and terrorist country india.
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why Kashmiris are not seeking indepandance from Pakistani kashmir

who said so ...
seaeg my prevous post ample proof given
 
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a freind in need is friend in deed ...
chian did not ful fill this wrt pak
Chinese helped us every time we needed them. When Pakistan was making its nuclear weapon, it was usa who opposed us and they even put sanctions on us but chinese stood with us in every hard time and they even backed Pakistan in acquiring nuclear weapons.
 
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1) LOL. Is that what they taught you in school? The reality is that Pakistan attacked the independent Kingdom of Kashmir, and it was after Pak attacked, that Kashmir acceded to India and asked the IA to help. It was then that IA moved in and sent PA back from Srinagar airfield, halting PA's advance and even sending them back from the best parts. You DID NOT wage war against India and take Kashmir from India. You attacked the Kingdom of Kashmir, and now you have the audacity to preach about "freedom" for Kashmir, when you were the cause of them losing independence.

2) In 1965, Pak attacked India hoping to take Kashmir. They could not do it, and ended up desperately defending Lahore instead. Failing all objectives in a war you started is not what victory means. You won some battles, we won many more, and in the end, it was not Kashmir that was under threat, it was Lahore. By the way, do check out the records of the naval war. You would be surprised.

3) Russia did not intervene, except to keep American carriers away. We cut our enemy into two bits, irreversibly and forever eliminating one hostile flank.

4) Again, it was a war that Pakistan started to take Kashmir, and did not. Bigger result being that the whole world lost all sympathy for Pakistan, and in 2003 a ceasefire was declared, effectively meaning that the LoC is the de facto border.


I wouldn't be surprised if that fellow now says that one muslim soldier equals ten hindu ones, without any doubt about it in his mind. Apparently he has swallowed all the crap history his teachers taught him, hook line and sinker.
lol still dont believe in 1965 and 1948 that Pakistan won them.Indian never gifted Azad Kashmir to Pakistan,Pakistan Armed Force fought and freed Azad Kashmir.Indian never gave 750 million to Pakistan which was promised. Sorry YOUR the one who were taught wrong in schools not us.:bunny::bunny::chilli::bunny::bunny: :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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