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" (sadly from what I hear many of them are not really doing Pakistan a favour by their acts) "
I thought you said "Blanket generalizations are always idiotic and are best avoided."?
it makes no sense for Pakistanis based in the West, to point fingers at Muslims in Europe visiting European countries.
We don't point fingers but we have the right to boycott and we do. Muslims in the west like going to Muslims counties on holiday, it's a growing trend.
Besides every country has bad apples, whether Turkey, Greece, Pakistan or any other country.
Kissing the backsides of muslim haters will not help
Also sorry to disappoint you, but there are many secular/atheist Turks who dislike Pakistanis, Afghans, Arabs, Iranians etc. and don't want them around and they would probably prefer a Greek.
Many of the secular / Atheist Turks still like Pakistanis
Many mosques are empty in Europe as well. A huge amount of Muslims in Europe are just Muslims in name. Many are in fact making a mockery out of Islam by their non-Islamic behaviour.
You'r wrong, Some may be empty, but most are packed, not the same as Churches as at all.
I live in Europe and see them with my own eyes, you'r just wrong here.
I live, work and interact with many Muslims is the west, they are not muslims just in name.
Yes some do misbehave but many will be at the mosque on a Friday.
We can't generalize because the Muslim and Pakistani community in the West has its own problems and hypocrisy like anywhere else.
I am a Pakistani in the west, yes we do have some problems but we also have huge amounts of success.
Don't use the blanket generalisations, you mention above on us, or believe all you read in the press.
Many of us are very successful, The number of Pakistani self made millionaires is HUGE in the west, so are the number of
professionals of Pakistani decent. Mostly we have good family values and live happy and content lives.
Don't put down the Pakistani diaspora in the west to kiss up to muslim hater.
Not sure why you are writing such a long post and arguing points that I have never claimed?
Yes, which is also why I specifically wrote "I have heard". I don't know any Pakistanis based in Greece or Muslims for that matter.
Help me out here, millions of Pakistanis and Muslims live in the West but you have a problem with me or other Muslims POSSIBLY visiting Crete for a holiday?
What kissing? Have you read any of my posts in this thread? Seems not to be the case. I am openly criticizing the West on numerous fronts. What are you even talking about here?
However we need to be fair. The Muslim community, including the Pakistani one, in the West, is far from perfect.
Many dislike us too. Have you seen some of the threads on PDF posted about this very topic? They were quite big a few months ago. Social media too.
The point was that there are plenty of empty/not full mosques in Europe and that, sadly, more and more young Muslims in the West are less and less willing to follow Islam and practice it.
Of course the average mosque in the West will be more full than the average Church because Muslims in the West (for now at least) are far more prone to be faithful and because there are far fewer mosques than churches.
I never denied any success of Pakistanis in the West or Muslims as a whole in the West, there is plenty of that, I just stated that there are also problems and challenges in the community. That is all.
As for whether @Folnikas is a anti-Muslim hater or not, I don't know him enough on PDF to know that and even if he was, no amount of insults or praise or whatever would likely change his opinion and quite frankly, I don't care, because it has nothing to do with my question about Crete.