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Looks very neatly built ship.
Well done !!
Well done !!
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Some important info from the BR team led by Kapil Chandni attended the launch of INS Shivalik. They will post the pics later. Here we go...
"Guys,I am still recovering.
I have attended every commissioning in Mumbai since January 2001 (INS Mumbai) and I must say this is the most sophisticated and well-built ship that has ever flown the Indian Ensign.
Fabrication is top-notch;fit and finish are like a super cruiseliner.
Habitability,work spaces,living spaces are generous.
You have to realise this was a concept;nobody knew what will they end up with.And what has happened is beyond anyone's expectations.
The main gun had its first firing on its very first sortie!!
The whole ship is always under an NBCD envelope.It does not have to be 'activated'
Why is it a frigate?i think the IN classifies its ships by dimensions and in this case also by the fact that she is not as heavily equipped as the 15As.
It is the most network centric ship that we have. She can mark a fleet staff and serve as a flagship if required. The bridge,machinery control etc are all built with multiple redundancies.
She has completed all pre-commissioning checks ,workups with ease. She is a frontline fighting unit as of yesterday ready to sail at 4 hours notice anywhere int he world.
She can stay out longer than any other ship we have . We are developing our own proprietory datalinks for these ships.
The CO gave a hypothetical scenario where ships at different locations can transfer sensor data to the Shivalik and the ship can respond as required. They will plug in with the Phalcons too eventually.
The fiber-optics,the various software make it a class apart.
The CO ,Capt M D Suresh ,has previously been the commissioning XO of the INS Talwar.
This ship is more lethal and stealthier than that class of ships.
Also the crew complement of the 6200 tonne Shivalik is the same as that of the 4000 tonne Talwar.
They have an interesting logo which shows an open spiral superimposed on a diamond.The diamond signifies the RCS of the ship and the spiral signifies infinity which is also their motto of 'No limits'
This ship is the template for all other indigenous programmes such as the P15B,P17 follow on,the P28 etc and that is why they spent more time validating and ensuring everything works pre-commissioning. She is the most complete ship that has been commissioned ie she doesnt have to do any major trials etc now.
She will test fire certain weapon systems now ,because there are certain things you can do only if you fly the flag of a country and not a dockyard.
Similarly,her helo phase workup will also commence now.
The only pending work-up now is the FOST workup (Flag Officer Sea Training).This is going to be a demanding workup because here both the men and systems will be tested in various situations.
The startlingly young crew are rather looking forward to it.
More later.Pics also later."
"Guys,I am still recovering.
I have attended every commissioning in Mumbai since January 2001 (INS Mumbai) and I must say this is the most sophisticated and well-built ship that has ever flown the Indian Ensign.
Fabrication is top-notch;fit and finish are like a super cruiseliner.
Habitability,work spaces,living spaces are generous.
You have to realise this was a concept;nobody knew what will they end up with.And what has happened is beyond anyone's expectations.
The main gun had its first firing on its very first sortie!!
The whole ship is always under an NBCD envelope.It does not have to be 'activated'
Why is it a frigate?i think the IN classifies its ships by dimensions and in this case also by the fact that she is not as heavily equipped as the 15As.
It is the most network centric ship that we have. She can mark a fleet staff and serve as a flagship if required. The bridge,machinery control etc are all built with multiple redundancies.
She has completed all pre-commissioning checks ,workups with ease. She is a frontline fighting unit as of yesterday ready to sail at 4 hours notice anywhere int he world.
She can stay out longer than any other ship we have . We are developing our own proprietory datalinks for these ships.
The CO gave a hypothetical scenario where ships at different locations can transfer sensor data to the Shivalik and the ship can respond as required. They will plug in with the Phalcons too eventually.
The fiber-optics,the various software make it a class apart.
The CO ,Capt M D Suresh ,has previously been the commissioning XO of the INS Talwar.
This ship is more lethal and stealthier than that class of ships.
Also the crew complement of the 6200 tonne Shivalik is the same as that of the 4000 tonne Talwar.
They have an interesting logo which shows an open spiral superimposed on a diamond.The diamond signifies the RCS of the ship and the spiral signifies infinity which is also their motto of 'No limits'
This ship is the template for all other indigenous programmes such as the P15B,P17 follow on,the P28 etc and that is why they spent more time validating and ensuring everything works pre-commissioning. She is the most complete ship that has been commissioned ie she doesnt have to do any major trials etc now.
She will test fire certain weapon systems now ,because there are certain things you can do only if you fly the flag of a country and not a dockyard.
Similarly,her helo phase workup will also commence now.
The only pending work-up now is the FOST workup (Flag Officer Sea Training).This is going to be a demanding workup because here both the men and systems will be tested in various situations.
The startlingly young crew are rather looking forward to it.
More later.Pics also later."
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Shivalik commissioned, India enters stealth club
Shivalik commissioned, India enters stealth club
India on Thursday entered the stealth warship club with the commissioning of the INS Shivalik, the first of a new series of frigates that has set the benchmark for Indias future fleet of battleships. The first of the three planned warships in its class, the Shivalik, was commissioned by Defence Minister A K Antony, more than eight years after construction work commenced at Mazgaon Docks Limited (MDL).
The 6,200 tonne frigate is the first of its kind stealth warship in the Indian Navy fleet, designed to dodge enemy radars, but more importantly it is the model of what future battleships of the Indian Navy will look like. While stealth capabilities will be standard for future warships, what has gone inside the Shivalik gives an idea of what the Navy wants as it expands its role and reach in the region as well as globally.
While it is indigenously designed and produced, the warships also has major systems and components from Russia, US, Israel and UK, indicative of the future where the Indian Navy wants to fuse the best of Russian and Western technologies to get the right mix for its own use.
A significant addition of capabilities is in the form of the new Combat Management System, CMS 17, that will now be fitted on board all new warships. While the warship has the latest weaponry on board including the Israeli Barak point air defence system, the Russian Shtil air defence system as well as Klub land attack and anti ship missiles the new system gives it a crucial edge.
The Shivalik can incorporate information from any warship in the Indian naval fleet and use it to launch its weapons against a target. Unlike in the past when warships could only engage a target after detecting it from on board sensors like radars or sonar, the Shivalik can take in information from another warship or a passing aircraft and use it to home in on the target.
This not only gives it extended range to detect enemy ships or aircraft but also enhances its survivability as it is not exposed directly to enemy surveillance. Adding to its survivability are the inbuilt stealth features that, sources say, gives it a radar signature that is 90 per cent lesser that older ships of its size.
The ship has structural, thermal and acoustic stealth features to make it difficult to detect on the high seas.
At the heart of the ship too, the LM 2500 Gas Turbine engines are the first American power plants to be fitted on board an Indian warship. The engines give it an enviable top speed in excess of 30 knots, enabling it to shoot and scoot at an impressive rate. The option to switch over the diesel engines gives the warship an endurance of over 9,000 km and it can sail non-stop without refueling for a month.
The size of the ship at 6,200 tonnes it is probably the heaviest frigate in the world gives it the ability to carry two anti-submarine helicopters.
While initially, the Sea Kings will be put on board, the flight deck and hangars have been designed to accommodate the next generation anti-submarine warfare choppers.
However, the most refreshing change in the warship is the interiors and the mind put to ensure crew comfort, given that the ship with 225 sailors and 25 officers will sail for close to a month without a break. Unlike in older warships mostly Russian the Shivalik has almost plush accommodation for officers and men. Besides being fully air-conditioned, the crew quarters are aesthetically designed with comfortable bedding and sitting arrangements, closer to what is now the standard on most western warships.
While problems areas remain the ship is at present only 60 per cent indigenous by value the future will see ships with more indigenous component that have similar capabilities to the Shivalik. For now, the Navy is keeping a keen eye on how it shapes up once it joins the western fleet.
Shivalik commissioned, India enters stealth club
India on Thursday entered the stealth warship club with the commissioning of the INS Shivalik, the first of a new series of frigates that has set the benchmark for Indias future fleet of battleships. The first of the three planned warships in its class, the Shivalik, was commissioned by Defence Minister A K Antony, more than eight years after construction work commenced at Mazgaon Docks Limited (MDL).
The 6,200 tonne frigate is the first of its kind stealth warship in the Indian Navy fleet, designed to dodge enemy radars, but more importantly it is the model of what future battleships of the Indian Navy will look like. While stealth capabilities will be standard for future warships, what has gone inside the Shivalik gives an idea of what the Navy wants as it expands its role and reach in the region as well as globally.
While it is indigenously designed and produced, the warships also has major systems and components from Russia, US, Israel and UK, indicative of the future where the Indian Navy wants to fuse the best of Russian and Western technologies to get the right mix for its own use.
A significant addition of capabilities is in the form of the new Combat Management System, CMS 17, that will now be fitted on board all new warships. While the warship has the latest weaponry on board including the Israeli Barak point air defence system, the Russian Shtil air defence system as well as Klub land attack and anti ship missiles the new system gives it a crucial edge.
The Shivalik can incorporate information from any warship in the Indian naval fleet and use it to launch its weapons against a target. Unlike in the past when warships could only engage a target after detecting it from on board sensors like radars or sonar, the Shivalik can take in information from another warship or a passing aircraft and use it to home in on the target.
This not only gives it extended range to detect enemy ships or aircraft but also enhances its survivability as it is not exposed directly to enemy surveillance. Adding to its survivability are the inbuilt stealth features that, sources say, gives it a radar signature that is 90 per cent lesser that older ships of its size.
The ship has structural, thermal and acoustic stealth features to make it difficult to detect on the high seas. At the heart of the ship too, the LM 2500 Gas Turbine engines are the first American power plants to be fitted on board an Indian warship. The engines give it an enviable top speed in excess of 30 knots, enabling it to shoot and scoot at an impressive rate. The option to switch over the diesel engines gives the warship an endurance of over 9,000 km and it can sail non-stop without refueling for a month.
The size of the ship at 6,200 tonnes it is probably the heaviest frigate in the world gives it the ability to carry two anti-submarine helicopters.
While initially, the Sea Kings will be put on board, the flight deck and hangars have been designed to accommodate the next generation anti-submarine warfare choppers. However, the most refreshing change in the warship is the interiors and the mind put to ensure crew comfort, given that the ship with 225 sailors and 25 officers will sail for close to a month without a break. Unlike in older warships mostly Russian the Shivalik has almost plush accommodation for officers and men. Besides being fully air-conditioned, the crew quarters are aesthetically designed with comfortable bedding and sitting arrangements, closer to what is now the standard on most western warships.
While problems areas remain the ship is at present only 60 per cent indigenous by value the future will see ships with more indigenous component that have similar capabilities to the Shivalik. For now, the Navy is keeping a keen eye on how it shapes up once it joins the western fleet.
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The Defence Minister Shri AK Antony today called upon the Indian Industry to give their best in developing the countrys ship building programmes. Commissioning INS Shivalik, the first of three new stealth frigates for the Indian Navy in Mumbai, he said, over the years there has been a distinct shift in our policy from a Buyers Navy to a Builders Navy.
He said the shipbuilding industry has to modernize itself through indigenous efforts and minimize its dependence on imports. We must continue with our efforts to transform and modernize our shipyards, so that they can not only meet the domestic demands but also achieve latest international standards in quality construction. We must be able to produce quality ships in a shorter time frame at competitive costs. I strongly urge all the participants of the Indian industry to give their best in developing our ship building programmes.
He said time and again history has taught us to maintain a strong and vigilant navy. Our maritime heritage dates back to the ancient times. Though we have come a long way in re-establishing our capabilities on the high seas since our independence, we still have a lot to achieve before we can consider ourselves a really potent naval force. History has time and again held out lessons in maintaining a strong and an eternally vigilant Navy, the Defence Minister said.
Shri Antony said the security situation in and around our immediate neighbourhood poses several security related challenges. He reiterated that we have to maintain high levels of operational readiness at all times.
Shri Antony described the commissioning as a red letter day for the Indian Navy, our Armed Forces, the ship building industry and the entire nation. He said Indias long coastline and ever expanding exclusive economic zone make it imperative to defend our main land as well as maintain the sea lanes of communication. With the commissioning of the stealth frigate, he expressed confidence that the maritime interest will further secure.
INS Shivalik and the follow-on-ships of the Shivalik class (namely, Satpura and Sahyadiri) have been conceived and designed by Indian Navy design teams. The Shivalik class will be the mainstay frigates of the Indian Navy in the first half of the 21st century.
The incorporation of numerous new design features aboard INS Shivalik effectively reduces the probability of her being detected at sea. The in-built structural, thermal and acoustic stealth features augment the potent capability of the ship to address threats in all dimensions of maritime warfare.
The weapon-sensor fit of the Shivalik is controlled through a Combat Management System called CMS-17, designed and developed by the Indian Navy and manufactured by Bharat Electronics (Ghaziabad). The system allows the seamless integration of the ships systems as well as with the weapons and sensors of other Fleet ships, thus enabling the concept of Co-operative Engagement Capability (CES). With her ability to detect and engage surface, air and sub-surface assets of the enemy at extended ranges, this ship represents very significant combat-potential.
With modern LM 2500 Gas Turbine propelling her to speeds in excess of 30 knots (or over 55 kmph), the ship is a true greyhound upon the seas. The ships electric power is provided by four Diesel Alternators, which together produce 4 Mega-Watts of power enough to light-up a small town. The power generation and distribution on board is controlled through an Automated Power Management System (APMS), which enables the optimal use of electricity at all times. The two Multi-Role helicopters that would be embarked on Shivalik will provide for enhanced surveillance and attack capability.
The Shivalik is also equipped with a proven defense against Nuclear, Biological and Chemical attack. The state-of-the art Total Atmospheric Control System (TACS) ensures filtration of the air going into the ship at all times. In addition, it ensures the complete removal of radioactive, chemical or biological impurities, thereby protecting the crew and shipborne systems even when operating in areas contaminated by nuclear, biological or chemical agents.
The ships domestic requirements of fresh water are met through two Reverse Osmosis plants, while a fully automated galley, ensures that the crew can be fed Indian, Continental and Asian meals, including freshly baked bread and home-made ice cream.
The accommodation arrangements for the 35 officers and over 250 crew members of the Shivalik has been provided by M/s Godrej, whose advance ergonomic design ensures crew comfort and space management.
Among those present at todays ceremony included the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma, the Defence Secretary Shri Pradeep Kumar, the Secretary Defence Production Shri RK Singh, the Chairman and Managing Director of Mazagon Dock Limited Rear Admiral (Retd) HS Malhi, Defence Attaches and Consul Generals of different Countries.
He said the shipbuilding industry has to modernize itself through indigenous efforts and minimize its dependence on imports. We must continue with our efforts to transform and modernize our shipyards, so that they can not only meet the domestic demands but also achieve latest international standards in quality construction. We must be able to produce quality ships in a shorter time frame at competitive costs. I strongly urge all the participants of the Indian industry to give their best in developing our ship building programmes.
He said time and again history has taught us to maintain a strong and vigilant navy. Our maritime heritage dates back to the ancient times. Though we have come a long way in re-establishing our capabilities on the high seas since our independence, we still have a lot to achieve before we can consider ourselves a really potent naval force. History has time and again held out lessons in maintaining a strong and an eternally vigilant Navy, the Defence Minister said.
Shri Antony said the security situation in and around our immediate neighbourhood poses several security related challenges. He reiterated that we have to maintain high levels of operational readiness at all times.
Shri Antony described the commissioning as a red letter day for the Indian Navy, our Armed Forces, the ship building industry and the entire nation. He said Indias long coastline and ever expanding exclusive economic zone make it imperative to defend our main land as well as maintain the sea lanes of communication. With the commissioning of the stealth frigate, he expressed confidence that the maritime interest will further secure.
INS Shivalik and the follow-on-ships of the Shivalik class (namely, Satpura and Sahyadiri) have been conceived and designed by Indian Navy design teams. The Shivalik class will be the mainstay frigates of the Indian Navy in the first half of the 21st century.
The incorporation of numerous new design features aboard INS Shivalik effectively reduces the probability of her being detected at sea. The in-built structural, thermal and acoustic stealth features augment the potent capability of the ship to address threats in all dimensions of maritime warfare.
The weapon-sensor fit of the Shivalik is controlled through a Combat Management System called CMS-17, designed and developed by the Indian Navy and manufactured by Bharat Electronics (Ghaziabad). The system allows the seamless integration of the ships systems as well as with the weapons and sensors of other Fleet ships, thus enabling the concept of Co-operative Engagement Capability (CES). With her ability to detect and engage surface, air and sub-surface assets of the enemy at extended ranges, this ship represents very significant combat-potential.
With modern LM 2500 Gas Turbine propelling her to speeds in excess of 30 knots (or over 55 kmph), the ship is a true greyhound upon the seas. The ships electric power is provided by four Diesel Alternators, which together produce 4 Mega-Watts of power enough to light-up a small town. The power generation and distribution on board is controlled through an Automated Power Management System (APMS), which enables the optimal use of electricity at all times. The two Multi-Role helicopters that would be embarked on Shivalik will provide for enhanced surveillance and attack capability.
The Shivalik is also equipped with a proven defense against Nuclear, Biological and Chemical attack. The state-of-the art Total Atmospheric Control System (TACS) ensures filtration of the air going into the ship at all times. In addition, it ensures the complete removal of radioactive, chemical or biological impurities, thereby protecting the crew and shipborne systems even when operating in areas contaminated by nuclear, biological or chemical agents.
The ships domestic requirements of fresh water are met through two Reverse Osmosis plants, while a fully automated galley, ensures that the crew can be fed Indian, Continental and Asian meals, including freshly baked bread and home-made ice cream.
The accommodation arrangements for the 35 officers and over 250 crew members of the Shivalik has been provided by M/s Godrej, whose advance ergonomic design ensures crew comfort and space management.
Among those present at todays ceremony included the Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma, the Defence Secretary Shri Pradeep Kumar, the Secretary Defence Production Shri RK Singh, the Chairman and Managing Director of Mazagon Dock Limited Rear Admiral (Retd) HS Malhi, Defence Attaches and Consul Generals of different Countries.
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can I just ask why Type-054A can't match your fancy INS Shivalik? because we can make turbines, missiles, radars?
your trollin shows your inherent fear of ins shivalik.....
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your trollin shows your inherent fear of ins shivalik.....
dude whats the meaning of this??
That post is very old.....
sorry to say but your post will be considered as troll...
Refrain from doing this in future....
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Some videos (some reporting erros but good visuals!)
CO MD Suresh:
From Examiner:
link: India launches stealth missile frigate
CO MD Suresh:
From Examiner:
link: India launches stealth missile frigate
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Do you mean the one from IAI? What makes you think so? Here is the ELTA EL/M -2228S. Looking at the specs, I would have rather gone with our own 3DCAR!! AFAIK, IAI AMDR has an instrumented range of 100 km.
here is some info on IAI AMDR:
IAI link: http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/1/36121.pdf
IMO, the radar must be a version of EL/M-2238 as I had mentioned a few weeks ago. There were some noises that the radar is from IAI.
link: http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/3/36843.pdf
Then again, in the past, most of our secondary radars (for capital ships) were either from thales or licensed from them, it could be from their stables. Though I must confess I am not aware of any that may look similar to the one on Shivalik. Thus I would continue to put my money on STAR!
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Troll: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.
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I also first thought about 2238 and I have mentioned it in my earlier post. But later rejected because the vertical arrays are much lower in 2238. Also BR guys who visited the commissioning ceremony confirmed that it is a new radar from Israel named AMDR ER.
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