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Your brain made from garbage therefore you limit Chinese Culture to Confucianism and Taoism.

It is your opinion while Ephone has said: "For any culture, it has its main elements. In China, it is Confucianism and Taoism" in which you did not understand. Confucianism and Taoism are the two mainstream of religions in China but China is not limited just that. If you don't fully understand it then you can just lean over the pole and listen, Rechoice. :azn:
 
Your brain made from garbage therefore you limit Chinese Culture to Confucianism and Taoism.

Idiot like you cannot read???

I have never limited Chinese culture to Confucianism and Taoism.

Confucianism and Taoism are the core elements of Chinese Culture. Other imported ones, e.g. Buddhism, Islam, Christianity and etc. are simply peripheral elements that have influence over Chinese main culture.

Talking to an idiot like you really makes my brain hurt.
 
It is your opinion while Ephone has said: "For any culture, it has its main elements. In China, it is Confucianism and Taoism" in which you did not understand. Confucianism and Taoism are the two mainstream of religions in China but China is not limited just that. If you don't fully understand it then you can just lean over the pole and listen, Rechoice. :azn:

You could read my posts from page N5 then you could understand me.
 
Idiot like you cannot read???

I have never limited Chinese culture to Confucianism and Taoism.

Confucianism and Taoism are the core elements of Chinese Culture. Other imported ones, e.g. Buddhism, Islam, Christianity and etc. are simply peripheral elements that have influence over Chinese main culture.

Talking to an idiot like you really makes my brain hurt.

Your idiot comment reminder me to concept of "Core interests of China". How to understand the main element and peripherial element to Chinese Culture ?
In case of me, to be member of Politburo Of CPC for Culture, shall give the decision that: All Han Chinese have to change the mind (include Mr. ephone) that: Buddhism for Tibetans, Islam for Uijgur, to be egal significant to Chinese Culture like Confucianism and Taoism for Han people.
After that no more violence there ;)
 
An article about the spread of Confucianism into Vietnam, and difference of Confucianism between China and Vietnam



Vietnam confronts the Chinese ‘charm offensive’
February 1st, 2012

Author: Le Hong Hiep, Vietnam National University

Vietnam is arguably the most ‘sinicised’ country in Southeast Asia, a distinctive result of more than 2000 years of intense interaction between Vietnam and China.

20101028000264087236-layout-242x399.jpg

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao waves to media as he arrives at Noi Bai airport in Hanoi on 28 Oct. 2010. (Photo: AAP)

But the Vietnamese absorption of Chinese culture is neither a straightforward process nor an inescapable outcome of geographical proximity; it is much more nuanced. China’s cultural influence forms only one layer of Vietnam’s cultural identity. The most important and substantial element still rests with indigenous norms, customs and practices, while Vietnam’s cultural borrowings from Southeast Asia and the West form yet another layer.

Two distinct features characterise the Vietnamese absorption of Chinese cultural elements over the past 2000 years. First, Vietnam has been willing to borrow culturally from China as long as it is a voluntary, internal process rather than a forceful imposition from the north. Second, Vietnam’s borrowing from China is a selective process — most Chinese influences are filtered and adapted to fit local needs. So the ‘sinicisation’ of Vietnam could also be understood as the ‘Vietnamisation’ of Chinese elements. At the core of Vietnamese society and culture is still the overwhelming presence of its indigenous cultural and social values and norms, which shape Vietnam’s national identity and guide its perception of, and relations with, China.

One particular example is the spread of Confucianism into Vietnam. Confucianism was introduced during the Chinese-domination era that lasted more than 1000 years. But it could not gain a foothold in Vietnamese society until the country won its independence from China and began to treat Confucianism as a tool of nation building rather than a cultural legacy imposed by the north. Accordingly, the Ly dynasty built the Temple of Literature in 1070 to worship Confucius and established the Imperial Academy six years later to educate Vietnamese nobles and bureaucrats along Confucian lines. By the time the Lê dynasty came to power, Confucianism had been enthusiastically embraced as the ideological framework on which the Vietnamese state and society operated.

The Vietnamese also made a number of significant modifications to the imported ideology. For example, contrary to the Chinese Confucian tradition, Vietnamese society had a much greater recognition of women’s rights and accorded them a higher social status, and while Chinese Confucianism emphasises loyalty to rulers only, Vietnamese Confucianism stresses both loyalty to rulers and a sense of patriotism.

China’s historical cultural influence on Vietnam began to dwindle in the late 19th century, and the sinicisation of Vietnam symbolically faded away in 1918. This occurred with the abolition of all civil service examinations which had tested candidates’ knowledge of Confucian classics, and skills in prose and poetry using both Han and Nom characters. But more than 2000 years of interaction with China has left Vietnam with a multitude of Chinese cultural influences that cannot be undone overnight.

More recently, with the resurgence of China as a global power, Vietnam has been subject to a Chinese ‘charm offensive’, as the country seeks to spread its soft power worldwide. Since the early 1990s, Vietnam has been engulfed in a Chinese ‘cultural tsunami’ brought about by the overwhelming success of Chinese historical television series, music, movies and kung-fu novels. The popularity of Chinese cultural products in Vietnam — while partly explainable by the dearth of comparable Vietnamese products — can also be attributed to their quality, which has earned them a positive reception from Vietnamese audiences.

But this excessive Chinese cultural influence seems to have alarmed the government and Vietnamese Communist Party ideologists. Some critics have even complained that popular Chinese television series have made Vietnamese people more familiar with Chinese history than their own national history. This has triggered a number of reactions from the Vietnamese government, including a government-issued decree that ordered Vietnamese movies and television series to account for at least 30 to 50 per cent of the allotted time for movies on any Vietnamese television station.

Despite the apparent success of Chinese popular culture with Vietnamese audiences, resistance to unwarranted Chinese cultural influence still seems to become stronger when China makes purposeful, self-interested attempts to impress its cultural values. For example, the Confucius Institute initiative, one of the major components of China’s global soft power project, has made little headway in Vietnam despite its global success.

The Chinese ‘charm offensive’ is likely to expand globally, but may encounter major setbacks in Vietnam. While voluntary borrowings from China have formed a substantial layer of the country’s culture, Vietnam is also a country where memories of a millennium of forceful Chinese cultural assimilation are still alive today. Consequently, Chinese attempts to spread its soft power into Vietnam are likely to be limited by the country’s over-familiarity with Chinese culture. Vietnam’s traditional resistance to unwarranted Chinese cultural influence now stands as yet another obvious challenge that China must overcome if its ‘charm offensive’ is to ever succeed in this particular southern neighbour.

Vietnam confronts the Chinese
Le Hong Hiep is Lecturer at the Faculty of International Relations, Vietnam National University, Ho Chi Minh City, and is currently a PhD candidate at the University of New South Wales, Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra.
 
wake up dude! though VN has been independent since 1000 years.
that´s a long period of time.
 
wake up dude! though VN has been independent since 1000 years.
that´s a long period of time.

umm im pretty sure the french colonized Vietnam until 1954 when the french left and Vietnam was divided into the north and south
and im pretty sure 1954 isnt 1000 years ago.
 
umm im pretty sure the french colonized Vietnam until 1954 when the french left and Vietnam was divided into the north and south
and im pretty sure 1954 isnt 1000 years ago.

e he, How long Mongolian Man Qings, Japan, Britain ruled China in the past, today China is divided country. You are half-independence citizens.:rofl:
It's something is wrong with mentality of Chinese.
 
e he, How long Mongolian Man Qings, Japan, Britain ruled China in the past, today China is divided country. You are half-independence citizens.:rofl:
It's something is wrong with mentality of Chinese.
Did 1000 years of Chinese rule make Vietnamese feel inferior? ;)

Did you forget how we sold Vietnam to colonialists French, Japanese and Americans so they can rob and exploit you? :lol:
 
e he, How long Mongolian Man Qings, Japan, Britain ruled China in the past, today China is divided country. You are half-independence citizens.:rofl:
It's something is wrong with mentality of Chinese.

mogolian and machus? they become chinese, last i check the french are still the french,
japan, britain never "ruled" china they had concession? sure they did, but never colonized like Vietnam was.
today yea the country is not yet complete we know this but we dont make up **** like "hurr durr free since 1000 years ago"
 
Northern part of Vietnam have been part of China during certain dynasties for quite a long time. Then the French occupied whole Vietnam which Japan took over. England and Japan never conquered China so i don't know why stupid Viets keep repeating the same lies. It's in their genes to spread lies i suppose. Taking over Manchuria by the Japs and turning HK and Macau into a colony by UK and Portugal is not controlling China. China as a whole was only conquered by Mongols who established the Yuan dynasty. These are the facts and that's how it is written in history books.
Vietnamese people were enslaved by the French and Japanese who were responsible for the deaths of many Vietnamese. So if you have zero proof that Western powers or Japan had control of whole China i suggest you to stop barking nonsense.
 
Northern part of Vietnam have been part of China during certain dynasties for quite a long time. Then the French occupied whole Vietnam which Japan took over. England and Japan never conquered China so i don't know why stupid Viets keep repeating the same lies. It's in their genes to spread lies i suppose. Taking over Manchuria by the Japs and turning HK and Macau into a colony by UK and Portugal is not controlling China. China as a whole was only conquered by Mongols who established the Yuan dynasty. These are the facts and that's how it is written in history books.
Vietnamese people were enslaved by the French and Japanese who were responsible for the deaths of many Vietnamese. So if you have zero proof that Western powers or Japan had control of whole China i suggest you to stop barking nonsense.

You are living in another world. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
let the US fire the first shot if they dare.
let the US bite first if they got the guts.

US military barks but never bites a big military power.

china should explore oil wherever they want in those islands.

any country that fires the first shot at china will face devastating economic and military consequences.

Why not try to shoot first, oh I get it, all you can do is bullying the weak and wait for them to make the first move
Typical chinese :victory:
 
An article about the spread of Confucianism into Vietnam, and difference of Confucianism between China and Vietnam



Vietnam confronts the Chinese ‘charm offensive’
February 1st, 2012

Author: Le Hong Hiep, Vietnam National University

Vietnam is arguably the most ‘sinicised’ country in Southeast Asia, a distinctive result of more than 2000 years of intense interaction between Vietnam and China.

20101028000264087236-layout-242x399.jpg

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao waves to media as he arrives at Noi Bai airport in Hanoi on 28 Oct. 2010. (Photo: AAP)

But the Vietnamese absorption of Chinese culture is neither a straightforward process nor an inescapable outcome of geographical proximity; it is much more nuanced. China’s cultural influence forms only one layer of Vietnam’s cultural identity. The most important and substantial element still rests with indigenous norms, customs and practices, while Vietnam’s cultural borrowings from Southeast Asia and the West form yet another layer.

Two distinct features characterise the Vietnamese absorption of Chinese cultural elements over the past 2000 years. First, Vietnam has been willing to borrow culturally from China as long as it is a voluntary, internal process rather than a forceful imposition from the north. Second, Vietnam’s borrowing from China is a selective process — most Chinese influences are filtered and adapted to fit local needs. So the ‘sinicisation’ of Vietnam could also be understood as the ‘Vietnamisation’ of Chinese elements. At the core of Vietnamese society and culture is still the overwhelming presence of its indigenous cultural and social values and norms, which shape Vietnam’s national identity and guide its perception of, and relations with, China.

One particular example is the spread of Confucianism into Vietnam. Confucianism was introduced during the Chinese-domination era that lasted more than 1000 years. But it could not gain a foothold in Vietnamese society until the country won its independence from China and began to treat Confucianism as a tool of nation building rather than a cultural legacy imposed by the north. Accordingly, the Ly dynasty built the Temple of Literature in 1070 to worship Confucius and established the Imperial Academy six years later to educate Vietnamese nobles and bureaucrats along Confucian lines. By the time the Lê dynasty came to power, Confucianism had been enthusiastically embraced as the ideological framework on which the Vietnamese state and society operated.

The Vietnamese also made a number of significant modifications to the imported ideology. For example, contrary to the Chinese Confucian tradition, Vietnamese society had a much greater recognition of women’s rights and accorded them a higher social status, and while Chinese Confucianism emphasises loyalty to rulers only, Vietnamese Confucianism stresses both loyalty to rulers and a sense of patriotism.

China’s historical cultural influence on Vietnam began to dwindle in the late 19th century, and the sinicisation of Vietnam symbolically faded away in 1918. This occurred with the abolition of all civil service examinations which had tested candidates’ knowledge of Confucian classics, and skills in prose and poetry using both Han and Nom characters. But more than 2000 years of interaction with China has left Vietnam with a multitude of Chinese cultural influences that cannot be undone overnight.

More recently, with the resurgence of China as a global power, Vietnam has been subject to a Chinese ‘charm offensive’, as the country seeks to spread its soft power worldwide. Since the early 1990s, Vietnam has been engulfed in a Chinese ‘cultural tsunami’ brought about by the overwhelming success of Chinese historical television series, music, movies and kung-fu novels. The popularity of Chinese cultural products in Vietnam — while partly explainable by the dearth of comparable Vietnamese products — can also be attributed to their quality, which has earned them a positive reception from Vietnamese audiences.

But this excessive Chinese cultural influence seems to have alarmed the government and Vietnamese Communist Party ideologists. Some critics have even complained that popular Chinese television series have made Vietnamese people more familiar with Chinese history than their own national history. This has triggered a number of reactions from the Vietnamese government, including a government-issued decree that ordered Vietnamese movies and television series to account for at least 30 to 50 per cent of the allotted time for movies on any Vietnamese television station.

Despite the apparent success of Chinese popular culture with Vietnamese audiences, resistance to unwarranted Chinese cultural influence still seems to become stronger when China makes purposeful, self-interested attempts to impress its cultural values. For example, the Confucius Institute initiative, one of the major components of China’s global soft power project, has made little headway in Vietnam despite its global success.

The Chinese ‘charm offensive’ is likely to expand globally, but may encounter major setbacks in Vietnam. While voluntary borrowings from China have formed a substantial layer of the country’s culture, Vietnam is also a country where memories of a millennium of forceful Chinese cultural assimilation are still alive today. Consequently, Chinese attempts to spread its soft power into Vietnam are likely to be limited by the country’s over-familiarity with Chinese culture. Vietnam’s traditional resistance to unwarranted Chinese cultural influence now stands as yet another obvious challenge that China must overcome if its ‘charm offensive’ is to ever succeed in this particular southern neighbour.

Vietnam confronts the Chinese
Le Hong Hiep is Lecturer at the Faculty of International Relations, Vietnam National University, Ho Chi Minh City, and is currently a PhD candidate at the University of New South Wales, Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra.

Though this article reveals some amount of truth, signs of propaganda for Viet Gov is visible.

About forced or voluntary acceptance of Chinese culture, I don’t think it can be completely separated.

For example, are the Indians forced to take English or is English accepted by the Indians voluntarily?

I would think it is first forced to the Indians, than the Indians take it voluntarily afterwards.

But again, UK-India story is very different from Sino-Viet story, we shouldn’t generalize that case.

In fact I am trying to spend some time in reading 大越史記全書. In the first couple of pages it tells that Vietnamese are the decedents of emperor Yan Yan Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . More precisely, the book alleges that Vietnamese are the decedents of the third generation of emperor Yan named 明. 明 had number of sons and one was particular smart and 明 loved him and would enthrone him as the emperor but he insisted that his elder brother should succeed (A typical Confucius mentality here!). Eventually the elder brother ruled the north whereas the smart one ruled the south. Obviously he was deemed ancestor of Vietnamese.

Thus Vietnamese and Chinese are brother in the beginning.

Of course, this is legend only, and perhaps it is hard to obtain archeological proof of it, yet legend at least tells some psychological agreement on that subject.

If it is true, Vietnamese could inherit Chinese culture, in addition to forced and voluntary acceptance.

“while Chinese Confucianism emphasises loyalty to rulers only, Vietnamese Confucianism stresses both loyalty to rulers and a sense of patriotism.”

I feel bad for this scholar. In feudal China, royal family is the nation and nation is the royal family, unless the rulers lost “mandate of Heaven” so everybody entitled to take the soil from the ruler. This ideology is more Confucius than anybody else. While Su Wu Su Wu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was detained by Xiongnu, the stick in his hand represented not only the royal family, but more that of a diplomat of a nation.

I want all of you, either think China is your enemy or friend, read a lots of history from various sources. Not just one page of a book, as suggested by NiceGuy in other thread. :lol:

Just let you guys know that Catonese, Shanghainese, any many other groups of people they all have their own distinct cultures among the rest of Chinese. Not a issue if you don't purposely make it an issue for particular purposes, and nobody does on national level in China.
 
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