Sharia Scare Shakes UK: 'Law of the land go to hell'

[Screambowl]

@Screambowl ok now I agree with @Safriz write in English please! Mekkah is also more Orthodox then Vatican ...what so many countries?

[MENTION=15642]

Please go to some english lecture if you really want reading some perfect english sentence.

I am telling you in a simplified way that, due to some historical reason the clash between Islam and Christianity prevails. Just the way Muslims do not accept any religion other than Islam in the society same way the west does not like this attitude of Muslims. But the leniency of practicing Islam in western country is pushed by the constitution. You can follow Islam, pray to Allah and only Allah, celebrate Eid, but embedding Sharia in the society means, having two constitutions in a country. Which is not a good Idea for the unity of the Nation. Because Sharia is Law on the Basis of Islam It itself does not explain Islam. The explanation of Islam is Quran, which speaks about the religion. Plus Sharia was followed in back ages and the times have changed, many things have changed, laws are made according to the current time, even the nature changes with time. They speak about Dinar, from where will you bring dinar of similar value in 21st century, You have train at 8 o clock and you have to read Namaz, you will miss your train and for the children they will miss their exam, or you will lose your job due to late attendance in office, or you might be in the mid of a slow moving traffic and it's namaz time you cannot move out.
This is not easy to implement, the total world order will disturb and why would any one want to accept your Sharia when he/she is not comfortable with it in the society due to its implementations, why not Hindu Laws, you follow Hindu laws we will follow your Sharia, or you follow Buddhist laws they will follow your Sharia. Can you follow them?

 

[ephone]

I am just so curious whether those muslims including you are either so insensitive to the sentiment outside your community or simply just act dumb???

People outside muslim community all over the world do not trust you at all.

You keep telling us that is simply a small number of muslim extremists while majority of others are good.

Well, the reality is that your overall muslim community either keep silent or encourage such barbaric terrorist activities. Look at those dilapidated places in Europe and who are living there now??? Which community are not working hard to increase its education but doing sh!t stuff about sharia sh!t??? You tell me sharia is more important than real education? Which community produces the majority of terrorists nowadays in the world??? Which community has contributed so little to the world compared to its size in the modern world???

When you read those modern statistics about modernization and civilization, are you still dreaming in your past glory and open period, which was thousand years ago already?

Until the majority muslims stand up challenging those idiotic mullahs who ask for religious sh!t including sharia to rule their own lives, fighting against those terrorists within their community, outsiders will be very suspicious and think what you said has nothing to do with what you have done.

@ephone Mind you MANY of these are 2nd and 3rd generations...But like I said in my previous posts NONE of these are a MAJOR threat....They are not even a NEIGHBOURHOOD threat but rather small groups in small neighbourhoods where many desi live!


Unlike in other countries, Asian parents feel it is their right to teach their kids...anyway, their children their rule...

Mind you do not paint everyone with the same brush...there are weird in EVERY community..



@timetravel or Muslims feed the Brits (through taxes which mind you are higher on foreigners and also on professional) who sit at home on home benefits

 

[Dubious]

I am just so curious whether those muslims including you are either so insensitive to the sentiment outside your community or simply just act dumb???

People outside muslim community all over the world do not trust you at all.

@ephone That is what we refer to as Islamophobia...Scared of something they have no clue....

You keep telling us that is simply a small number of muslim extremists while majority of others are good.

Well, the reality is that your overall muslim community either keep silent or encourage such barbaric terrorist activities. Look at those dilapidated places in Europe and who are living there now??? Which community are not working hard to increase its education but doing sh!t stuff about sharia sh!t??? You tell me sharia is more important than real education? Which community produces the majority of terrorists nowadays in the world??? Which community has contributed so little to the world compared to its size in the modern world???

When you read those modern statistics about modernization and civilization, are you still dreaming in your past glory and open period, which was thousand years ago already?

If you are done with your abuses maybe you will read my posts ....We discussed how rare it was, how there ARE problems and how it IS unjust...No one is supporting it...and since you have access to the internet maybe it is wise to do your homework before hurling accusations based on biased info but I guess you are too used to spoon feeding:

Mohammed Shafiq, the chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a Muslim organisation which campaigns for a peaceful co-existence among communities, has condemned the group's behaviour

Read more: Muslim patrol: Hooded vigilantes walking streets of London telling women to cover up and taking alcohol out of the hands of revellers so they behave the Islamic way | Mail Online

In a sermon at East London Mosque, which was also posted on the video sharing website and has already been viewed 20,000 times in under a week, Shaikh Shams condemned the men in the video for being “complete bigots” Muslims condemn behaviour of Islamic vigilantes - Telegraph

The actions of the so-called "Muslim patrols" have been condemned by the East London mosque, which described them as "utterly unacceptable and clearly designed to stoke tensions and sow discord". 'Muslim patrol': police release picture of victim | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Until the majority muslims stand up challenging those idiotic mullahs who ask for religious sh!t including sharia to rule their own lives, fighting against those terrorists within their community, outsiders will be very suspicious and think what you said has nothing to do with what you have done.

I leave you with a quote

The suspicious mind believes more than it doubts. It believes in a formidable and ineradicable evil lurking in every person. - Eric Hoffer

 

[Dubious]

[MENTION=15642]

Please go to some english lecture if you really want reading some perfect english sentence.

@Screambowl It is called ability to communicate...which clearly disturbs you...Hence, my question what are you doing ON A PUBLIC WEBSITE when THROWING OPINIONS when you CLEARLY refuse to COMMUNICATE?!

I am telling you in a simplified way that, due to some historical reason the clash between Islam and Christianity prevails.

Good you accept it

Just the way Muslims do not accept any religion other than Islam in the society same way the west does not like this attitude of Muslims.

Then they should not hide behind FREEDOM and live like how the Americans lived in the early 1900s enslaving the Blacks, killing the Red Indians....Be true and not hide behind FREEDOM....

But the leniency of practicing Islam in western country is pushed by the constitution.

they agreed...that is good to know

You can follow Islam, pray to Allah and only Allah, celebrate Eid,

Nope there is no PUBLIC holiday for Eid like there is for Christmas in other countries

but embedding Sharia in the society means, having two constitutions in a country. Which is not a good Idea for the unity of the Nation.

again no one is embedding it...Me and a few other Pakistanis in UK discussed this on various threads...But if you wish to blow your OPINION...I can not do anything about that...

Because Sharia is Law on the Basis of Islam It itself does not explain Islam. The explanation of Islam is Quran,

I am glad you got the Quran part right..So, where did the shariah law come from?

which speaks about the religion. Plus Sharia was followed in back ages and the times have changed, many things have changed, laws are made according to the current time, even the nature changes with time. They speak about Dinar,

I do not need to study Economics but

The official currencies of nine countries are known as the dinar or denar. Dinar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from where will you bring dinar of similar value in 21st century,

even in the shariah law it is stated this much Dinar...which is the value of say a sheep...so a "similar value" is already written in the Shariah itself

You have train at 8 o clock and you have to read Namaz, you will miss your train

We can pray on the train, we can pray standing or sitting...Shows how much you know about Islam....

and for the children they will miss their exam, or you might be in the mid of a slow moving traffic and it's namaz time you cannot move out.

each prayer has a fixed time, and each prayer is valid until the next ADHAAN...

or you will lose your job due to late attendance in office,

According to the rights read to me when I came into EU...I am very much allowed to ask for a break to practice my religion...THIS is freedom of religion....If the company stops me, I am allowed to question and THEY NEED TO NEGOTIATE or I can sue them...Know your rights before being a slave of a system!

This is not easy to implement,

Based on your lack of knowledge... not based on Islam

the total world order will disturb

really now?

and why would any one want to accept your Sharia when he/she is not comfortable with it in the society due to its implementations,

They are only not comfortable with what they do not know!

why not Hindu Laws, you follow Hindu laws we will follow your Sharia, or you follow Buddhist laws they will follow your Sharia. Can you follow them?

Nope...Hindu laws are NOT at all favorable for human society starting from worshiping NUMEROUS gods...not 1 Hindu is sure as to how many are available and how many need to be worshiped and continuing with Sati which I believe any human would think it as immoral...And mind you it was actually banned by Human laws...Yes, divine laws were banned by human laws...and you want us to follow such immoral acts of burying a widow?! Now sorry to say but THAT is barbaric!

Another few you can read yourself https://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CGIQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphs-sources.wikispaces.com%2Ffile%2Fview%2FWOMEN_in_Hindu_Scriptural_Quotes_on_Women.doc&ei=mXqHUYekKoqn4ASgrIAo&usg=AFQjCNE-NwN5OeFx8Q4Iqdh0vq2bk8g__Q&sig2=mqR3Sv6yuMq1bGlq53oYDw&bvm=bv.45960087,d.bGE

 

[livingdead]

@Talon : hindus have been smart to know hindu laws are barbaric, hence they were outlawed. Surely some brits helped, but what is the chance that these will come back to our constitution?
We are talking about sharia here because some muslims still think their own barbaric laws are better than modern laws. Otherwise it would have been a matter of historians to debate.

Numerous gods is not unfavourable to human society give me a reason why is it so, if you can keep it private (and keep the law secular).
Trying many gods to be worshipped is hardly different from scratching your head what to call your god, how to worship, at what time, facing which way etc. Hindus are doing it for quite long, hardly any thread here where hindus vigourously discussing the best god to worship, and pasting random verses from their favourite book.

Infact I would argue, it will make you less certain about things, and probably you will be less keen to kill other side of argument (not due to hatred but simply because of disagreement)

BTW, I am not comparing religions, just giving a counterargument to what you just said.

 

[Dubious]

@Talon : hindus have been smart to know hindu laws are barbaric, hence they were outlawed. Surely some brits helped, but what is the chance that these will come back to our constitution.
Numerous gods is not unfavourable to human society give me a reason why is it so, if you can keep it private (and keep the law secular).

@hinduguy Well, good they realized the laws are barbaric! hence, please do not bring it in...Islam tells me not to slander anyone's belief...

Trying many gods to be worshipped is hardly different from scratching your head which god to worship and how, at what time, facing which way etc. Hindus are doing it for quite long, hardly any thread here where hindus vigourously discussing the best god to worship, and pasting random verses from their favourite book.

So, which god do you make happy? Look when something is rare it is of more value...When someone is unique they mean more...If there are clones of the same person running about, nothing unique nothing worth the awe!

GOD IS NOT supposed to be boring, everyday clone like thing which happens in 100s or 1000s....HE is supposed to be unique, greater than ALL and THE BEST...hence, having more than 1 makes no sense..Why would i pray to a say a man, there are billions on the planet why would I pray to something having 2 hands, 2 legs, similar DNA as me and whatnot?

Prayer, compliments are meant to be for unique greatness not an average or commonness...

 

[EXPERIMENT]

@Screambowl It is called ability to communicate...which clearly disturbs you...Hence, my question what are you doing ON A PUBLIC WEBSITE when THROWING OPINIONS when you CLEARLY refuse to COMMUNICATE?!

Good you accept it
Then they should not hide behind FREEDOM and live like how the Americans lived in the early 1900s enslaving the Blacks, killing the Red Indians....Be true and not hide behind FREEDOM....

they agreed...that is good to know

Nope there is no PUBLIC holiday for Eid like there is for Christmas in other countries

again no one is embedding it...Me and a few other Pakistanis in UK discussed this on various threads...But if you wish to blow your OPINION...I can not do anything about that...

I am glad you got the Quran part right..So, where did the shariah law come from?

I do not need to study Economics but



even in the shariah law it is stated this much Dinar...which is the value of say a sheep...so a "similar value" is already written in the Shariah itself

We can pray on the train, we can pray standing or sitting...Shows how much you know about Islam....

each prayer has a fixed time, and each prayer is valid until the next ADHAAN...

According to the rights read to me when I came into EU...I am very much allowed to ask for a break to practice my religion...THIS is freedom of religion....If the company stops me, I am allowed to question and THEY NEED TO NEGOTIATE or I can sue them...Know your rights before being a slave of a system!
Based on your lack of knowledge... not based on Islam

really now?

They are only not comfortable with what they do not know!

Nope...Hindu laws are NOT at all favorable for human society starting from worshiping NUMEROUS gods...not 1 Hindu is sure as to how many are available and how many need to be worshiped and continuing with Sati which I believe any human would think it as immoral...And mind you it was actually banned by Human laws...Yes, divine laws were banned by human laws...and you want us to follow such immoral acts of burying a widow?! Now sorry to say but THAT is barbaric!

Another few you can read yourself https://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CGIQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphs-sources.wikispaces.com%2Ffile%2Fview%2FWOMEN_in_Hindu_Scriptural_Quotes_on_Women.doc&ei=mXqHUYekKoqn4ASgrIAo&usg=AFQjCNE-NwN5OeFx8Q4Iqdh0vq2bk8g__Q&sig2=mqR3Sv6yuMq1bGlq53oYDw&bvm=bv.45960087,d.bGE

Your last part negated all the preaching you did on ignorance.

 

[Dubious]

Your last part negated all the preaching you did on ignorance.

@EXPERIMENT then educate me! Or deny that stuff about women being subhuman is NOT in your books! Or how Sati was not in your books...Or how degrading a woman is not in your scriptures?!

 

[livingdead]

@hinduguy Well, good they realized the laws are barbaric! hence, please do not bring it in...Islam tells me not to slander anyone's belief...


So, which god do you make happy? Look when something is rare it is of more value...When someone is unique they mean more...If there are clones of the same person running about, nothing unique nothing worth the awe!

GOD IS NOT supposed to be boring, everyday clone like thing which happens in 100s or 1000s....HE is supposed to be unique, greater than ALL and THE BEST...hence, having more than 1 makes no sense..Why would i pray to a say a man, there are billions on the planet why would I pray to something having 2 hands, 2 legs, similar DNA as me and whatnot?

Prayer, compliments are meant to be for unique greatness not an average or commonness...

You are the one who brought it to debate saying hindu laws are barbaric knowing well many of them are outlawed long time ago in countries where hindus are majority.
It was in response to a post of another guy who wanted to trade your barbaric law with ours.
We are arguing to get away with all of them(hindu/muslim/christian/jewish laws that are incompatible to modern sensibility), we realized it more than a century ago (sure brits helped, I should repeat), how long will it take for you guys to realize. How long will you hide behind semantics and 'true meaning' of words.
Why not take a stand and say its wrong fundamentally.

About god, that your wishlist, thats your idea of how it should be. I prefer not to comment.

 

[Dubious]

[MENTION=15642]
This is not easy to implement, the total world order will disturb and why would any one want to accept your Sharia when he/she is not comfortable with it in the society due to its implementations, why not Hindu Laws, you follow Hindu laws we will follow your Sharia, or you follow Buddhist laws they will follow your Sharia. Can you follow them?

@hinduguy your friend here brought it in...I only answered him....

 

[livingdead]

@hinduguy your friend here brought it in...I only answered him....

I already mentioned it that its your reply to the reply of that guy, which I was replying to.... in second line post 144

I was just questioning your statement : "please do not bring it in...Islam tells me not to slander anyone's belief...".
I am not accusing you of slandering btw, its your own opinion.

 

[IamINDIA]

simply put this is just brainwashing of looser's who have nothing going for them in life.... they should all be rounded up and deported to KSA so they can live in a sharia governed country.

 

[Dubious]

You are the one who brought it to debate saying hindu laws are barbaric knowing well many of them are outlawed long time ago in countries where hindus are majority.

yet your countryman @Screambowl asked me to follow hindu laws (which even Hindus outlawed it) while he will follow Shariah (which is way better)...talk about injustice

It was in response to a post of another guy who wanted to trade your barbaric law with ours.

@hinduguy but you just agreed Hindu laws were barbaric enough to be outlawed by the Hindus themselves who didnt want to practice it....why are you going in circles?

We are arguing to get away with all of them(hindu/muslim/christian/jewish laws that are incompatible to modern sensibility),

Nope, he clearly stated to swap Barbaric laws with Shariah...

we realized it more than a century ago (sure brits helped, I should repeat), how long will it take for you guys to realize.

Simple Shariah is not as barbaric as Burying INNOCENT widows ALIVE!

How long will you hide behind semantics and 'true meaning' of words.
Why not take a stand and say its wrong fundamentally.

I already answered...Shariah is not as barbaric as burying / burning women alive...In fact it forbids this point entirely!

About god, that your wishlist, thats your idea of how it should be. I prefer not to comment.

La kum deenu kum wali yadien...To you be your practice to me mine!

I already mentioned it that its your reply to the reply of that guy, which I was replying to.... in second line post 144

I was just questioning your statement : "please do not bring it in...Islam tells me not to slander anyone's belief...".
I am not accusing you of slandering btw, its your own opinion.

@hinduguy he quoted me so I replied...simple! then you wanted to add on...so I replied you too...

 

[ExtraOdinary]

Are Anjem Choudhary and his cohorts involved in this

 

[livingdead]

yet your countryman @Screambowl asked me to follow hindu laws (which even Hindus outlawed it) while he will follow Shariah (which is way better)...talk about injustice
@hinduguy but you just agreed Hindu laws were barbaric enough to be outlawed by the Hindus themselves who didnt want to practice it....why are you going in circles?
Nope, he clearly stated to swap Barbaric laws with Shariah...

Simple Shariah is not as barbaric as Burying INNOCENT widows ALIVE!


I already answered...Shariah is not as barbaric as burying / burning women alive...In fact it forbids this point entirely!

La kum deenu kum wali yadien...To you be your practice to me mine!


@hinduguy he quoted me so I replied...simple! then you wanted to add on...so I replied you too...

I am not going on in circles, I already stated all barbaric laws should be done away with.. seems you agree that quite a bit of sharia is barbaric (to a lesser degree than hindu laws, which you find more barbaric), so consequently you agree with me.

Yes, trading each others barbaric laws is silly, and I understand your fear of getting a bad deal..

I understand you talked about hindu laws in reply to other poster (I mentioned so as well), dont get it when you say afterwards... 'islam does not permit to slander... hence dont bring in...', as if I was the guy bringing in the comparison