Sharia Scare Shakes UK: 'Law of the land go to hell'

[EXPERIMENT]

@EXPERIMENT then educate me! Or deny that stuff about women being subhuman is NOT in your books! Or how Sati was not in your books...Or how degrading a woman is not in your scriptures?!

Well firstly the number of gods thing well I am happy with that concept and yes we cannot count this... Try to understand this:
God is personal how you choose to perceive god is up to you be it a rock or tree or the moon. So there are as many gods as their are humans (or Hindus if that makes you feel better)

Secondly technically Hindus do not believe in religious law we have no rule books or general guidelines. The core belief is morality is instinctive anyway. People make and break rules as they go along from group to group,family to family etc. My mum and wife can start their own superstition dictionary bouncing off ideas from each other
Idiots in history have tried to create Hindu rule books. Such books have no following or any real representation in our community.
Our priests do not preach or tell us what to do they just pray for things or events when and where it suits us.

Hinduism is by its very nature is anti organised religion. Its the west mostly that try to impose an organisation to it like ISKCON

 

[Awesome]

what will happen if they condemn it? Its job of police to arrest such vigilante groups, which I guess are very very few.

This is the best comment of them all. The people who are shifting blame onto Muslims by saying they should condemn this or deter this... Why the hell for? The people who are not doing this, simply should not have to PROVE their innocence by ACTING in some particular way. The police should do its job and lock these psychos up.

 

[Brother Barry]

These idiots will be the demise of all Muslims in the West. The day might not be far when Europeans collectively have had enough, and Reconquista us all out here.

 

[livingdead]

These idiots will be the demise of all Muslims in the West. The day might not be far when Europeans collectively have had enough, and Reconquista us all out here.

What do you think of people of african origin, they have overrepresented themselves in certain crimes. Will they also be sent back?
After a few generations, these all guys will be proud brits, that is if they are allowed to be so.

 

[Dubious]

What do you think of people of african origin, they have overrepresented themselves in certain crimes. Will they also be sent back?
After a few generations, these all guys will be proud brits, that is if they are allowed to be so.

@hinduguy same question should be hurled at Eastern Europeans....Who are flooding UK and committing crimes as well..

No one raises an eyebrow there...prob coz they have white skin

I am not going on in circles, I already stated all barbaric laws should be done away with.. seems you agree that quite a bit of sharia is barbaric (to a lesser degree than hindu laws, which you find more barbaric), so consequently you agree with me.

Never said what you assumed! Where did I say such a thing? I said Shariah is way better....Never said it is less barbaric or anything...twisting words is your profession i believe!

Yes, trading each others barbaric laws is silly, and I understand your fear of getting a bad deal..

Dude if your own condemn and BANNED the law....How can you expect OTHERS to accept it?! Injustice written all over it!

I understand you talked about hindu laws in reply to other poster (I mentioned so as well), dont get it when you say afterwards... 'islam does not permit to slander... hence dont bring in...', as if I was the guy bringing in the comparison

I meant it for whoever brings it or wants to elaborate or drag the topic!

 

[livingdead]

@hinduguy

Never said what you assumed! Where did I say such a thing? I said Shariah is way better....Never said it is less barbaric or anything...twisting words is your profession i believe!

You said the following in #148:
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Simple Shariah is not as barbaric as Burying INNOCENT widows ALIVE!


I already answered...Shariah is not as barbaric as burying / burning women alive...In fact it forbids this point entirely!
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And that is how I interpreted. Good that you clarified that 'sharia is not barbaric at all' in your view.

I will ignore the personal comment. Not that hinduism forbids or anything as such, its just unnecessary .

 

[Dubious]

Well firstly the number of gods thing well I am happy with that concept and yes we cannot count this... Try to understand this:
God is personal how you choose to perceive god is up to you be it a rock or tree or the moon. So there are as many gods as their are humans (or Hindus if that makes you feel better)

The meaning of the word CULT: A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object

Sound familiar?

Ahh...so for you god is nothing special....Sorry that is not the case for me...If something is soo common why even worship it? Doesnt make sense...Like say you see a pretty flower...its common for Humans to get bored of the same common thing...However it is the UNIQUE thing which enchants and draws our attention!

Plus GOD is not a rock which cant even move a fly from its surface....nor the sun which itself has a beginning and soon will be exhausted (end) how can something which will die is a god?

God should be unique, something WORTH worshiping...You do not go and praise every girl you see, nor do you say nice things to every man you see (murderer, rapist, drug dealers) but you do praise 1 for doing good to you...you do praise 1 girl whom you fall in love with who seems the world to you...you spend more time with good people...who are unique coz they stand out...

I dont knw which thread but someone was asking about NOBLE prizes! Well, ONLY UNIQUE SIGNIFICANT discoveries get awarded and recognized and praised not EVERY OTHER discovery in the world! When only UNIQUE Humans are recognized then WHY is EVERYTHING else worshiped? What is the use to worship? Why bother?

A rock can do you no good sitting there, a tree once cut off gives you no shade...So why worship anything and everything?

Apparently you have a very low meaning of the word G-O-D while we Muslims give a high exalted and praiseworthy position to GOD...no wonder you people see no wrong is saying and behaving at will about Islam....

Secondly technically Hindus do not believe in religious law

we have no rule books or general guidelines.

yet some Indian living in Germany wanted me to follow something Hindus themselves wont follow

EVERY religion does...sooo ACCORDING TO YOU...Hinduism is not even a religion

The word cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object

Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values

The core belief is morality is instinctive anyway. People make and break rules as they go along from group to group,family to family etc. My mum and wife can start their own superstition dictionary bouncing off ideas from each other

First get the WORD religion right then talk..

Idiots in history have tried to create Hindu rule books. Such books have no following or any real representation in our community.
Our priests do not preach or tell us what to do they just pray for things or events when and where it suits us.

Now THAT sounds like a cult ..

Hinduism is by its very nature is anti organised religion. Its the west mostly that try to impose an organisation to it like ISKCON

Please tell your countrymen this!

 

[Screambowl]

yet your countryman @Screambowl asked me to follow hindu laws (which even Hindus outlawed it) while he will follow Shariah (which is way better)...talk about injustice




I already answered...Shariah is not as barbaric as burying / burning women alive...In fact it forbids this point entirely!

First of all I never said or asked you to follow Hinduism. Secondly, Hindusim is not a religion, it is just about following some principles of nature which take you towards salvation, as experienced by our ancestors and written in Vedas and Upanishads. Secondly, Hindusim does not FORCE or Compel you to follow particular thing, it is your choice. Hinduism explains the existence of different belief which originate in civilizations. Hindusim just explains human nature of following different religions, but only calls false knowledge of truth wrong. For me you are a Hindu too.

 

[Screambowl]

Sound familiar?




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yet some Indian living in Germany wanted me to follow something Hindus themselves wont follow

EVERY religion does...sooo ACCORDING TO YOU...Hinduism is not even a religion



First get the WORD religion right then talk..
Now THAT sounds like a cult ..

Please tell your countrymen this!

This is rubbish. I DID NOT tell you to follow Hinduism, I asked you that Why don't accept way of living as in Hinduism, or Budhism.

 

[Screambowl]

@Screambowl It is called ability to communicate...which clearly disturbs you...Hence, my question what are you doing ON A PUBLIC WEBSITE when THROWING OPINIONS when you CLEARLY refuse to COMMUNICATE?!

Good you accept it
Then they should not hide behind FREEDOM and live like how the Americans lived in the early 1900s enslaving the Blacks, killing the Red Indians....Be true and not hide behind FREEDOM....

they agreed...that is good to know

Nope there is no PUBLIC holiday for Eid like there is for Christmas in other countries

again no one is embedding it...Me and a few other Pakistanis in UK discussed this on various threads...But if you wish to blow your OPINION...I can not do anything about that...

I am glad you got the Quran part right..So, where did the shariah law come from?

I do not need to study Economics but



even in the shariah law it is stated this much Dinar...which is the value of say a sheep...so a "similar value" is already written in the Shariah itself

We can pray on the train, we can pray standing or sitting...Shows how much you know about Islam....

each prayer has a fixed time, and each prayer is valid until the next ADHAAN...

According to the rights read to me when I came into EU...I am very much allowed to ask for a break to practice my religion...THIS is freedom of religion....If the company stops me, I am allowed to question and THEY NEED TO NEGOTIATE or I can sue them...Know your rights before being a slave of a system!
Based on your lack of knowledge... not based on Islam

really now?

They are only not comfortable with what they do not know!

Nope...Hindu laws are NOT at all favorable for human society starting from worshiping NUMEROUS gods...not 1 Hindu is sure as to how many are available and how many need to be worshiped and continuing with Sati which I believe any human would think it as immoral...And mind you it was actually banned by Human laws...Yes, divine laws were banned by human laws...and you want us to follow such immoral acts of burying a widow?! Now sorry to say but THAT is barbaric!

Another few you can read yourself https://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CGIQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphs-sources.wikispaces.com%2Ffile%2Fview%2FWOMEN_in_Hindu_Scriptural_Quotes_on_Women.doc&ei=mXqHUYekKoqn4ASgrIAo&usg=AFQjCNE-NwN5OeFx8Q4Iqdh0vq2bk8g__Q&sig2=mqR3Sv6yuMq1bGlq53oYDw&bvm=bv.45960087,d.bGE

What is all this crap? There is term a syllable 'OM' which is spoken before every worship, if not spoken the worship is incomplete, which means the Superior Syllable OM is the Master , the seed of the existing universe and the also the death of this universe, the existence and the non existence, its OM, which has to be realized in the form of consciousness by Yoga. The rest Idols are forms of energies, like wind water, fire, destruction etc, related with this Origin of everything, OM. Its science baby but still Remember this, that we worship, or concentrate, or meditate, or praise OM before every thing. Know it.

 

[Dubious]

What is all this crap? There is term a syllable 'OM' which is spoken before every worship, if not spoken the worship is incomplete, which means the Superior Syllable OM is the Master , the seed of the existing universe and the also the death of this universe, the existence and the non existence, its OM, which has to be realized in the form of consciousness by Yoga. The rest Idols are forms of energies, like wind water, fire, destruction etc, related with this Origin of everything, OM. Its science baby but still Remember this, that we worship, or concentrate, or meditate, or praise OM before every thing. Know it.

@Screambowl Well, if you want to bring in science...It requires evidence attained from research ...

This is rubbish. I DID NOT tell you to follow Hinduism, I asked you that Why don't accept way of living as in Hinduism, or Budhism.

@Screambowl and I told you why NOT Hinduism... because its LAWS not talking about basics but weird LAWS are weird soo weird that according to @hinduguy even Hindus banned them!

You are the one who brought it to debate saying hindu laws are barbaric knowing well many of them are outlawed long time ago in countries where hindus are majority.
We are arguing to get away with all of them(hindu/muslim/christian/jewish laws that are incompatible to modern sensibility)

Your countryman has also said the following:

Hinduism is by its very nature is anti organised religion. Its the west mostly that try to impose an organisation to it like ISKCON

 

[Screambowl]

@Screambowl Well, if you want to bring in science...It requires evidence attained from research ...

Materialistic research cannot explain consciousness, I am doing electrical engineering and have talked to many professors coming from US, India, Japan, Russia, etc etc they say it, that some times somethings and many things are unexplained, equations do prove the existence but only theoretical, and create an idea a model of POSSIBILITY. But yes you can try yoga, if you start feeling better then don't forget me. I have done it. It is about controlling yourself and your thoughts, coming out of greed, false hood, selfishnes, lust anger. You doo the research.

@Screambowl and I told you why NOT Hinduism... because its LAWS not talking about basics but weird LAWS are weird soo weird that according to @hinduguy even Hindus banned them!

Hindu is a term which is not confined to a specific religion. It only explains nature of Human related and ways to achieve Moksha, escape from the circle of life and death. If you do not follow it, no problem. Truth, reality of life and death and purest form of truth, that is the goal of Hindu ideology. rest of the things are day today life and nature of human of believing the falsehood.

 

[Dubious]

Materialistic research cannot explain consciousness, I am doing electrical engineering and have talked to many professors coming from US, India, Japan, Russia, etc etc they say it, that some times somethings and many things are unexplained, equations do prove the existence but only theoretical, and create an idea a model of POSSIBILITY. But yes you can try yoga, if you start feeling better then don't forget me. I have done it. It is about controlling yourself and your thoughts, coming out of greed, false hood, selfishnes, lust anger. You doo the research.



Hindu is a term which is not confined to a specific religion. It only explains nature of Human related and ways to achieve Moksha, escape from the circle of life and death. If you do not follow it, no problem. Truth, reality of life and death and purest form of truth, that is the goal of Hindu ideology. rest of the things are day today life and nature of human of believing the falsehood.

@Screambowl you are not getting the point....Such things are better explained in Islam...Shariah is a LAW if you want to compare it to Hinduism ....compare it to its LAW as well...

However if you want to COMPARE THE ESSENCE of Hinduism like what you did....Well, Islam is still better

We have meditation - Namaaz

We have ways to achieve tranquility - Quran

We have everything you mentioned...But you seemed to have BOUNCED off topic...

LAW is what is being discussed NOT essence! thank you!

 

[IBRIS]

My immature post of the day: England you said we ruled every nation on planet with our British Laws. Now those Nations migrants are demanding there Laws over your Law of the Land(Britain)...Karma is always around the corner to bite where it hurts the most.

 

[Screambowl]

@Screambowl you are not getting the point....Such things are better explained in Islam...Shariah is a LAW if you want to compare it to Hinduism ....compare it to its LAW as well...

However if you want to COMPARE THE ESSENCE of Hinduism like what you did....Well, Islam is still better

We have meditation - Namaaz

We have ways to achieve tranquility - Quran

We have everything you mentioned...But you seemed to have BOUNCED off topic...

LAW is what is being discussed NOT essence! thank you!

How Paigambar Mohammad, or Lord Buddha attained knowledge is not written in Quran or Sutra respectively. One should follow those things which made them to attain knowledge became great people. The Namaz, or Prayer, etc came after they were enlightened, we call Namaz, or Prayer as Bhakti Yoga(prayer a way to be free).

Islam believes in prayer(Bhakti Yoga) in the form of namaz, Raja Yoga( to meditate on supreme) to achieve Salvation.

Hinduism saya, prayer( Bhakti Yoga), good work(Karma Yoga), meditation to know the supreme(Gyan Yoga), Raja Yoga( praising the supreme) all will lead to salvation.

So it is you to decide what you have to opt.


>>To the bold part, well you are talking about Sharia and implementation of it , so it is first important to know why you want to implement it when many things are quite similar. There is no need apparently and there should be no compulsion on Muslims also to follow it strictly.