Settle Kashmir and Get the Reward!!!

[Secur]

Yawn, stop boring us with that old trash. we don't care what you consider, you are not in a position to make us consider your opinion. Tough! Live with it !

Are we crying? What is it that you have that we remotely want? Chicken nook?? That explains why you guys keep chickening out,I guess. As for trying, go ahead. Given the proven "competence" of you guys, all we will ever have to do is try & decide who our new high Commissioner to Baluchistan is.

If you are a bipolar patient , then you shouldn't have come to debate in the first place
Yes , they do get bored when presented with information they simply cant digest ...
I thought you must heard of the Chicken Nook because that is what its called in India ...
The Pakistani name for that particular place is " Dagger " fine now ?

Yes , when hell freezes over ...

 

[Abhishek_]

LOL, its not an opinion! You are just saying that, because you have no argument to that.
Tough Luck to you and your country, because Pakistan has the moral upper hand here!

PK can keep the moral upper hand, India will keep the kashmiri land.

 

[PakShah]

If you are a bipolar patient , then you shouldn't have come to debate in the first place
Yes , they do get bored when presented with information they simply cant digest ...
I thought you must heard of the Chicken Nook because that is what its called in India ...
The Pakistani name for that particular place is " Dagger " fine now ?

Yes , when hell freezes over ...

These guys are such hypocrites. They keep bringing Balochistan and other irrelevant things.

This thread is about the Kashmir dispute and we need to keep focus.

 

[Secur]

PK can keep the moral upper hand, India will keep the kashmiri land.

Enjoy it while it lasts Because it wont be forever ... Kashmiris will have what they want one day ... Continue oppressing and they will never have a favorable opinion of India ...

 

[PakShah]

PK can keep the moral upper hand, India will keep the kashmiri land.

lol, don't worry what makes you think you can keep land illegally? By force?

When there is another country willing to fight you with moral justifications!

 

[Secur]

These guys are such hypocrites. They keep bringing Balochistan and other irrelevant things.

This is thread is about the Kashmir dispute and we need to keep focus.

They need to "troll" to satisfy their ego's and derail the thread ... Even i can talk about countless insurgencies in India but why go for off topic things ...

 

[Abhishek_]

Enjoy it while it lasts Because it wont be forever ... Kashmiris will have what they want one day ... Continue oppressing and they will never have a favorable opinion of India ...

kindly send us a memo when our kashmir joins PK. good luck to you sir.

 

[Bang Galore]

If you are a bipolar patient , then you shouldn't have come to debate in the first place
Yes , they do get bored when presented with information they simply cant digest ...
I thought you must heard of the Chicken Nook because that is what its called in India ...
The Pakistani name for that particular place is " Dagger " fine now ?

Yes , when hell freezes over ...

Bipolar? Wow, i'm impressed. Since you are good with diagnosing, maybe you can turn past the "chicken nook" & prescribe some chicken soup for the Pakistani soul because whatever it is that they are taking doesn't seem to be adequate for whatever condition you, the good doctor might diagnose, ails your country. If you hold "chicken nook" & so on (never mind the fact that you couldn't hold on to half your country), why do you guys keep crying about Siachen (no Pakistani soldier can even see it), Kashmir & so on? Just Bring it on !(credit George Bush)

---------- Post added at 11:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 PM ----------

LOL, its not an opinion! You are just saying that, because you have no argument to that.
Tough Luck to you and your country, because Pakistan has the moral upper hand here!

Don;t bring Balochistan in here, Balochistan is irrelevant to the Kashmir dispute.

Typical hypocrites! When you guys can't beat our arguments you guys try to get irrelevant arguments.

You can have any kind of moral upper hand you feel like, we'll settle for keeping Kashmir. Deal?? Baluchistan is relevant, if as your friend said, you want to try again. Hypocrites? So says a Pakistani who after failing in their attempts of militarily enforcing their will end up running with a "moral" fig leaf to cover their exposed parts. The world doesn't reward failures, take your fig leaf elsewhere.

 

[Hulk]

Pakistan has lost so much in ****** war that they are in position to go for war in next decade. That is good enough time to settle Kashmir. The peak of insurgency is over and it will never go back. The people of Kashmir are de-motivated for any moment. You see they already know that 2 decade of insurgency did not get them the result, so now they have better that for any fair chance. Same thing goes for protest and stone pelting, they did that for 6 months, so any new protest now know that they have to go beyond 6 months. See people get tired of this protest.

 

[Trichy]

Is India &pakistan act upon the referendum as per 1947? What are the conditions? Any one give point by point?

 

[Secur]

1. False Pakistan's propaganda in IoK -----> Kashmiri Muslims believe they are being oppressed because of being 'Muslim' -------> Kashmiri Muslims demonstrate support for Pakistan in rallies etc and a minor number offer refuge to terrorists when they cross over the LoC ----------> India is forced to maintain a heavy military prescence in Kashmir -------> Human rights violations occur ---------> False Pakistani propaganda again

and again all Kashmiris believe this ISI propaganda ? and how exactly is that propaganda done ? You are from your first post trying to imply that you can decide better than the Kashmiris whats better for them ... Why keep repeating the debunked arguments again and again ... Hate against India occurs because of the hate and human rights violation against muslims and oppressive laws such as special army's act thus creating a favorable opinion for Muslim Pakistan ... So Indians are being forced to keep 5+ million troops just to counter a few thousand militants ? Impressive strategy you got there ...

and keep beating around the bush , we can continue arguing forever in that case

 

[PakShah]

Here are three things I have already said earlier

1. Pakistani arguments on Kashmir are based on the following :
1)Kashmiris are Muslims, So are Pakistanis, so they shouldn't be with India - Wrong, because India is not Hindu, India is 'Secular'. So it is not as if Kashmiris will be lynched in the streets if they stay with us.
(2)Kashmiri Muslims are being Oppressed by Indian Security forces because they are Muslims - Wrong, because while there are human rights violations in Kashmir committed by our forces, they occur because it is a heavily militarised zone. Rights violations are common in almost every heavily militarised zone in the world. So Religion has nothing to do with the fact that there are Human right violations. And if Kashmiri Muslims are indeed being oppressed, then they are being oppressed by both the Hindus and Muslims of India ! You see, Muslims form a large number of our security forces, two of our presidents in the past have been Muslims. SO saying that their Religion is the reason for HR violations is just a theory that Pakistani propagandists have fed the Kashmiri Muslim populace.
(3)Kashmiris were promised a Plebiscite which never happened - Well, For every argument a Pakistani makes in favour of a Plebiscite, the Indian side has a Counter argument, so this argument about plebiscite can only create problems when both sides sit to try and resolve the issue. You have to look at the underlying principles in the present time and whether they are just


2. False Pakistan's propaganda in IoK -----> Kashmiri Muslims believe they are being oppressed because of being 'Muslim' -------> Kashmiri Muslims demonstrate support for Pakistan in rallies etc and a minor number offer refuge to terrorists when they cross over the LoC ----------> India is forced to maintain a heavy military prescence in Kashmir -------> Human rights violations occur ---------> False Pakistani propaganda again


Pakistan is responsible for this Vicious Cycle. And this is the reason Kashmiris will not vote for India in a plebiscite even though that would be a better choice for them than joining a banana republic like Pakistan !

3.Just and moral principles would be this - "We want Kashmiris to prosper whether they stay with India or Pakistan". Pakistan insists that they can simply not live happily in India, why my dear? ARen't other Muslims staying in India. Hasn't a Muslim been one of the most popular presidents of India, Isn't a good part of the Indian cricket team and Film industry muslim ?!

Pakistan is a country that refuses to change its opiniion with changing times. Your forefathers at the time of partition told you that Muslims can't stay happy in India - you beleived it then. No problem, but look at what has happened and revise your opinion. A fool is a person who commits the same and same mistake again. You still are stuck on the same 60 yr old argument.

Stop running away chess-writer. Stop using tricks!

The focus is Kashmiris were promised a referendum.


According to the partition rules Kashmiris are to get a referndum.

Where's the Indian counter-argument you said there would be?

The answer you don't have a counter-argument and hence you are running away.

No you are wrong:

The moral and just principle is this:

Hold a plebiscite in Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir while Pakistan gives Kashmiris in Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir economic assistance and education, while India gives economic assistance and education Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir and India holds a plebiscite in Indian Occupied Kashmir, to see what the Kashmiris want.

The moral and just principle is that India helps the Kashmiris they occupied while at the same time holding plebiscite on what the Kashmiris want: Pakistan or India.

 

[Secur]

Bipolar? Wow, i'm impressed. Since you are good with diagnosing, maybe you can turn past the "chicken nook" & prescribe some chicken soup for the Pakistani soul because whatever it is that they are taking doesn't seem to be adequate for whatever condition you, the good doctor might diagnose, ails your country. If you hold "chicken nook" & so on (never mind the fact that you couldn't hold on to half your country), why do you guys keep crying about Siachen (no Pakistani soldier can even see it), Kashmir & so on? Just Bring it on !(credit George Bush)

Yeah , if you dont want to debate then dont ... Why keep saying that you are bored and such ? Is someone forcing you to post here ? Whatever seem adequate for us is another story ... and about Siachen , only if you knew anything about the geography of that region , you wouldn't say such a thing ... All the high peaks around it are held by Pakistan ... Go search Saltoro or Peak 5353 ...

 

[PakShah]

That is the problem now isn't it. Pakistanis believe that their cause is just and are too willing to fight us(and themselves lol !) despite the fact that it has brought you only pain and destruction in the past.

No, it is you who are bringing destruction and pain. Now you are cornered.

Who are you to decide what is best for the Kashmiris?

let the Kashmiris decide?

Awww..whats the matter...not acknowledging that you lost this debate and the moral aspects of it too!

---------- Post added at 02:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:53 PM ----------

A Dozen militants ! You do not read your books properly. Admitted that in recent times militancy has gone down, but it wasn't always like that after 1989 (I hope you remember that as the year when USSR got disbanded). Kindly read that again, it explains the Pakistani propaganda (Kashmiris oppressed by only Hindus in a Secular armed force that has Muslims too)as well as the Human rights violations (Militarized zone, therefore naturally HR violations occur). Now read it again.

False Pakistan's propaganda in IoK -----> Kashmiri Muslims believe they are being oppressed because of being 'Muslim' -------> Kashmiri Muslims demonstrate support for Pakistan in rallies etc and a minor number offer refuge to terrorists when they cross over the LoC ----------> India is forced to maintain a heavy military prescence in Kashmir -------> Human rights violations occur ---------> False Pakistani propaganda again

'

Don;t talk crap. Amnesty International stated that there gross human violations in Indian Occupied Kashmir and draconian laws used to keep the Kashmiris oppressed.

 

[Secur]

False Pakistan's propaganda in IoK -----> Kashmiri Muslims believe they are being oppressed because of being 'Muslim' -------> Kashmiri Muslims demonstrate support for Pakistan in rallies etc and a minor number offer refuge to terrorists when they cross over the LoC ----------> India is forced to maintain a heavy military prescence in Kashmir -------> Human rights violations occur ---------> False Pakistani propaganda again

So once again Ctril+C and Ctrl+V ... You are just going round and round in circle avoiding the main questions ...