Settle Kashmir and Get the Reward!!!

[Bang Galore]

You would have done that if only that was possible Stop living in wonderland ... No foreign power ever stopped you ... Nehru went running to the UN for cease fire , not Pakistan ... Shastri died of heart attack at Tashkent after calling for ceasefire in 1965 ... What reason would have been for someone gaining territory to call for ceasefire and not the other party ? POW's could have been bargained for territory , are you serious ?

Okay, why did you agree for the ceasefire?

 

[Secur]

Okay, why did you agree for the ceasefire?

Because we thought UN was a credible organization that could implement its resolutions over Kashmir properly but we were wrong ... There's was no reason for Pakistan to continue fighting in Kashmir if UN and world leaders were calling for ceasefire ... It would have been a major foreign crisis for us then not accepting the proposals of UN ... The Pakistani leaders thought Kashmiris can vote for them ( in case of plebiscite ) so there was no reason to fight and take it ...

 

[Bang Galore]

Because we thought UN was a credible organization that could implement its resolutions over Kashmir properly but we were wrong ... There's was no reason for Pakistan to continue fighting in Kashmir if UN and world leaders were calling for ceasefire ... It would have been a major foreign crisis for us then not accepting the proposals of UN ...

That explains your crying now, why did you accept a ceasefire in 1965 when you had not yet manged to get what you started with Operation Gibraltar? Obviously, you didn't care for the U.N. then. So it is okay for you guys to try & overturn the U.N. resolution on Kashmir as you did in 1965 but having failed in that attempt you want us to agree to go back to a 1947 resolution?

Nice try but no Cigar !

 

[Abhishek_]

as it stands now, PK has more to gain from a normalized relationship with India. So the onus is on Pakistan to move forward and resolve the long-standing issues.
India has no problems keeping kashmir on the back burner.

 

[Secur]

That explains your crying now, why did you accept a ceasefire in 1965 when you had not yet manged to get what you started with Operation Gibraltar? Obviously, you didn't care for the U.N. then. So it is okay for you guys to try & overturn the U.N. resolution on Kashmir as you did in 1965 but having failed in that attempt you want us to agree to go back to a 1947 resolution?

Nice try but no Cigar !

Try to talk sense ... Kashmir's a disputed territory and whenever a side feels that it can snatch some land away from the other , they will not hesitate to do it since its temporary boundary Operation Gibraltar and all every other mess wouldn't have happened if only your deceptive leaders held plebiscite... The war will continue ...

 

[PakShah]

That explains your crying now, why did you accept a ceasefire in 1965 when you had not yet manged to get what you started with Operation Gibraltar? Obviously, you didn't care for the U.N. then. So it is okay for you guys to try & overturn the U.N. resolution on Kashmir as you did in 1965 but having failed in that attempt you want us to agree to go back to a 1947 resolution?

Nice try but no Cigar !

War of 1965 was in response when India went against the UN and forced Indian Occupied Kashmir to be considered as a "province" of India.

The UN does not recognize Indian Occupied Kashmir as an integral part of India.

Secur was right, chess-writer only knows how to write a lot, without writing concisely!

@ chess-writer
Kashmiris are not a minority in India, because Kashmiris are not a part of India.

Just because Indians say so, doesn't make Indian occupied Kashmir a part of India.

Kashmir is disputed territory.

And so the war continues...

 

[Hulk]

That explains your crying now, why did you accept a ceasefire in 1965 when you had not yet manged to get what you started with Operation Gibraltar? Obviously, you didn't care for the U.N. then. So it is okay for you guys to try & overturn the U.N. resolution on Kashmir as you did in 1965 but having failed in that attempt you want us to agree to go back to a 1947 resolution?

Nice try but no Cigar !

Bang on, Bang lore

 

[Bang Galore]

Try to talk sense ... Kashmir's a disputed territory and whenever a side feels that it can snatch some land away from the other , they will not hesitate to do it Operation Gibraltar and all every other mess wouldn't have happened if only your deceptive leaders held plebiscite...

You need some sense to understand, the LoC is a treaty signed by Pakistan & India.The territory may be disputed but gives no right for any party to try & change it by force. You tried, you failed, so why the crying now? You had your chance when you attacked in 1965 & in Kargil in 1999, we are not about to reward your failures. After all, your "deceptive leaders" tried everything, didn't they?

Learn to live with your failures, reinforcing them is a bad idea as any one familiar with military history will tell you.

 

[PakShah]

Bang on, Bang lore

You mean you need your head to banged with a hammer. Can't make sense?
Kashmiris are not a part of India. Kashmiris have never been. Kashmiris were part of the Jammu and Kashmir princely state.

And don't give me your Maharaja acceding to India crap!

If the princely state (Kashmir) was to accede to India, on the understanding that this would only be temporary prior to "a referendum, plebiscite, election".

So India has broken the law! Since no election was held in Kashmir, India is holding Indian occupied Kashmir by force.

India is holding Indian Occupied Kashmir illegally.

 

[Secur]

You need some sense to understand, the LoC is a treaty signed by Pakistan & India.The territory may be disputed but gives no right for any party to try & change it by force. You tried, you failed, so why the crying now? You had your chance when you attacked in 1965 & in Kargil in 1999, we are not about to reward your failures. After, your "deceptive leaders" tried everything, didn't they?

Learn to live with your failures, reinforcing them is a bad idea as any one familiar with military history will tell you.

Pakistan and India signed the plebiscite resolution too , was it ever implemented ?
You have no idea how much the LOC has changed since 1947 so go research a little ...
Even the ceasefire announced in 2002 isn't respected properly by both sides ...
and who's crying here ? Check who started the thread before jumping in ...
We ended up controlling Chicken's Nook and other strategic posts ...
Learn what ? Probably you mean correct them and come try another time ...
Atleast thats the policy of our army , What if one failed ? Try the next plan ...

 

[PakShah]

It seems PakShah that you appreciate only those people whom you are able to defeat in a debate by out-shouting them. I write a lot because I think about important issues a lot. Then I have to take care to not be repitive. Also, I have to explain everything to you and cater to your IQ level. S the post obviously takes more space.

Kashmiris are not a part of Pakistan either. If anything, Kashmir belongs more to India because India is Secular (saying this the 4th time)and Growing, and will offer Kashmiris be they Kashmiri Muslims, Pandits or Buddhists better options than joining your failed country !

Think of the terrible misfortune the Kashmiris will suffer if they have to join your impoverished and failed fundamentalist state given to conspiracy theories. It is the place where people insists that 'Ghairat' is important, 'Economics and Education' can go to hell !

Complete crap!

Do you believe in principles? This is a very simple question. Yes or No?

LOL, oh is chess-writer crying, because when one agreed to follow the law, then he/she must follow the law.

It is you who is typing a lot and shouting.

Write you points using the least amount words possible. I don't have time to read essay written by you!

Oh why don't you think of the Kashmiri's rights.

LOL, as if India is not impoverished. India has the world largest population of people living in pverty!

India has more poor than Sub-Saharan Africa.

And you talk about providing facilities to the Kashmiris?

How can you provide facilities to Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir, when India happens to have more poort than sub-saharan Africa. By the way Kashmir is not a part of India.

 

[Hulk]

If you want to call dispute or land grab whatever it is bottom line is there is no way you can force India to get its part of Kashmir.

Now second part, in history there were lot of attacks and kings conquered lands.It was common practice in past to grab land. There are lot of places in the world where original habitants are no more the rulers. So when others can do it and be called hero we can do it to sometimes.

If we lost some land and money and gold many times and the winners were happy some times they have to be on losing side as well.

You cannot have it both ways, when I won we were hero's, when we lost it is not ethical. Like we accepted the loss in past and living with reality, so does people of Pakistan has to do. Accept that Kashmir is not winnable right or wrong.

Not as far as Kashmiri's are concerned Chess-Writer is right, it is just because they think they can be a nation they are focusing on that, if they realize it is not possible, they will focus more on important stuff like, bread butter and jobs.

Kashimiri's have more rights than anyone in the world, if at all they get out from protest mode and come to real world. There will be no better place.

Also both Kashmir and Srinagar have Indian names, which suggest their Origin was Indian.

 

[Secur]

Kashmiris are not a part of Pakistan either. If anything, Kashmir belongs more to India because India is Secular (saying this the 4th time)and Growing, and will offer Kashmiris be they Kashmiri Muslims, Pandits or Buddhists better options than joining your failed country !

Think of the terrible misfortune the Kashmiris will suffer if they have to join your impoverished and failed fundamentalist state given to conspiracy theories. It is the place where people insists that 'Ghairat' is important, 'Economics and Education' can go to hell !

Once again , you are trying to be " holier than the Pope " ... What gives you the right to decide for Kashmiris whats better for them ? You think Kashmiris wont consider all scenarios and facts on the ground before voting for anyone in a plebiscite ... Think of the terrible misfortune that Kashmiris are suffering at the moment by almost daily human rights abuses and killings by world's biggest democracy even though the same doesn't happen in Azad Kashmir or Northern Areas ... Why keep almost 5+ million troops if you think Kashmiris want to live with you ... Can it get any worst than that ? ... I doubt that ... and what does being secular changes for Kashmiris to be Indian ? ... Ever heard of the Chenab formula ... It was exactly designed keeping those Pandits and Buddhists monks in mind if they dont want to live with Pakistan ... Go , ponder over it ...

 

[Bang Galore]

You mean you need head to banged with a hammer. Can't make sense?
Kashmiris are not a part of India. Kashmiris have never been. Kashmiris were part of the Jammu and Kashmir princely state.

And don't give me your Maharaja acceding to India crap!

If the princely state (Kashmir) was to accede to India, on the understanding that this would only be temporary prior to "a referendum, plebiscite, election".

So India has broken the law! Since no election was held in Kashmir, India is holding Indian occupied Kashmir by force.

India is holding Indian Occupied Kashmir illegally.

Yawn, stop boring us with that old trash. we don't care what you consider, you are not in a position to make us consider your opinion. Tough! Live with it !

Pakistan and India signed the plebiscite resolution too , was it ever implemented ?
You have no idea how much the LOC has changed since 1947 so go research a little ...
Even the ceasefire announced in 2002 isn't respected properly by both sides ...
and who's crying here ? Check who started the thread before jumping in ...
We ended up controlling Chicken's Nook and other strategic posts ...
Learn what ? Probably you mean correct them and come try another time ...
Atleast thats the policy of our army , What if one failed ? Try the next plan ...

Are we crying? What is it that you have that we remotely want? Chicken nook?? That explains why you guys keep chickening out,I guess. As for trying, go ahead. Given the proven "competence" of you guys, all we will ever have to do is try & decide who our new high Commissioner to Baluchistan is.

 

[PakShah]

Yawn, stop boring us with that old trash. we don't care what you consider, you are not in a position to make us consider your opinion. Tough! Live with it !



Are we crying? What is it that you have that we remotely want? Chicken nook?? That explains why you guys keep chickening out,I guess. As for trying, go ahead. Given the proven "competence" of you guys, all we will ever have to do is try & decide who our new high Commissioner to Baluchistan is.

LOL, its not an opinion! You are just saying that, because you have no argument to the compulsory referendum.
Tough Luck to you and your country, because Pakistan has the moral upper hand here!

Don;t bring Balochistan in here, Balochistan is irrelevant to the Kashmir dispute.

Typical hypocrites! When you guys can't beat our arguments you guys try to get irrelevant arguments.