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Serving Brigadier arrested for suspected links with Hizbut Tahrir

this is a total false thing, i have a friend whose father is a Maj Gen in GHQ, and according to my friend , this brigadier thing is total bull, he was arrested but not for links with hizbu tehrir, he was simply a bit supportive of the taliban and that was all. He spoke a bit in support of the taliban but had no contacts with anyone.

This is worse, if he supports the Taliban, an enemy of the state how can he be sincere in his duties.

Its like an PA officer being supportive of India in wartime situation.

So its not a "false thing" then, is it?
 
this is a total false thing, i have a friend whose father is a Maj Gen in GHQ, and according to my friend , this brigadier thing is total bull, he was arrested but not for links with hizbu tehrir, he was simply a bit supportive of the taliban and that was all. He spoke a bit in support of the taliban but had no contacts with anyone.

You don't know man the people here are used to find all the mysteries of the universe with just a single happening.They have completely isolated their thoughts.They have completely restrict their thoughts with one thing.No wonder lack reason.
It is this habit due to which today Pakistanis efforts have back fired and we are getting a tough time on our home turf.
 
Singing a different song now UNICORN - Are you beginning to get it, to understand the enormity of the problem?
 
This is worse, if he supports the Taliban, an enemy of the state how can he be sincere in his duties.

Its like an PA officer being supportive of India in wartime situation.

So its not a "false thing" then, is it?
i am not saying that he was caught wrong, just trying to make the point that he was a bit on the side of the taliban, not extremist kind of, but had no links with huzbu tehrir. He was caught for the offence for voicing opinion against the enemy which is not acceptable in the army, not for links with hizbu tehrir
 
You don't know man the people here are used to find all the mysteries of the universe with just a single happening.They have completely isolated their thoughts.They have completely restrict their thoughts with one thing.No wonder lack reason.
It is this habit due to which today Pakistanis efforts have back fired and we are getting a tough time on our home turf.

I know you are sympathetic to the cause of Islamists who are trying to force their ideology onto others but at least be considerate with your understanding of the issues involved.

This is all linked together to the greater damage that has occurred in Pakistan due to the overt use of religious glorification and propagation.

Don't you think you people have caused enough damage?
 
i am not saying that he was caught wrong, just trying to make the point that he was a bit on the side of the taliban, not extremist kind of, but had no links with huzbu tehrir. He was caught for the offence for voicing opinion against the enemy which is not acceptable in the army, not for links with hizbu tehrir

Whats a "bit on the side of taliban"?

I am sure the army has enough information that they made this particular statement, they wouldn't want to dig a bigger hole for themselves by lying.

Not everyone would be aware of who this Brigadier was involved with and I would rather believe the army than someone who heard from a supposed officer.

He was caught for the right reason so there is no problem here then or is there?
 
Whats a "bit on the side of taliban"?

I am sure the army has enough information that they made this particular statement, they wouldn't want to dig a bigger hole for themselves by lying.

Not everyone would be aware of who this Brigadier was involved with and I would rather believe the army than someone who heard from a supposed officer.

He was caught for the right reason so there is no problem here then or is there?

you still not getting my point, he was caught for the right reason, i am not saying that he was caught wrongly, he was caught and he should be tried for it, he violated the code of conduct of army, but it was for the reason that he was a supporter of the ideas of taliban, but he had no links with anyone.....

---------- Post added at 04:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:13 PM ----------

It's a teeny tiny bit like being a little bit pregnant - not a whole lot, just a little bit

hahahha,,,,,that was a good one.:rofl:
 
Singing a different song now UNICORN - Are you beginning to get it, to understand the enormity of the problem?

I knew from the very first post that you are a wise person my friend that is why I never hesitated to argue with you.
Your question gives me the impression that you do realize things.Well it doesn't matter if your approach is different but that is enough for me.
While for others I am only asking them to be wise and do not attempt to fix something with a single bite.
 
Brigadier Ali Khan, the Pakistani officer detained for his alleged links with the banned extremist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, had been highly critical of the Pakistani army's high command over its relationship with the US, reports BBC Urdu's Asif Farooqi.

Colleagues of Brig Ali Khan, who did not want to be named because they are still in service, say he was an officer with a distinguished career, a gold-medallist who was consistently promoted.

But he had been exerting strong pressure on the top echelons of Pakistan's military to stop co-operating with American forces in the fight against Taliban and al-Qaeda insurgents, army officers who served with the brigadier during his 32-year career told the BBC.

Pakistan's military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas said that there was compelling evidence against the brigadier owing to his contacts with the banned group.

The brigadier joined the army in 1979 and came from a humble background in Pakistan's Punjab province.

But his career hit a roadblock when he openly criticised Gen Pervez Musharraf when he was still army chief-of-staff.
Passed over

At an army course at a prestigious military college in Quetta, Brig Khan asked Gen Musharraf why he would not divulge the details of an agreement with the US to the Pakistani public.

The brigadier also said the "limits" of co-operation with the US on "the war on terror" should be clearly defined.

A senior military officer who was present at the occasion told the BBC that Gen Musharraf was clearly unhappy with the questions, and had asked around about the officer.

A few weeks later, the army promotion board held its regular meeting under Gen Musharraf. Brig Ali, who had been tipped for promotion to major general, was passed over.

Successive promotion boards rejected Brig Ali while his colleagues and subordinates continued to rise up the promotion ladder, overtaking him. Indeed, to date, Brig Khan is the oldest brigadier in the Pakistani army.

His colleagues thought he would be unable to withstand a career going nowhere and would seek early retirement. But they were soon proved wrong. The brigadier told his colleagues he had more to accomplish in his job.

It soon became clear what he meant by that. Brig Khan started writing letters to army generals, some of whom were his former colleagues, with suggestions on how to become "self reliant" and "to purge the army of the American influence".

He told senior officers such as Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani that Pakistan's "unconditional" support to the Americans was causing resentment in the lower ranks of the army.

He said that "growing" American involvement in Pakistan - especially in its military affairs - was negatively affecting the morale of the armed forces.

An officer who received one of these letters said that after coming to know that Gen Kayani wanted this sort of correspondence to end, he spoke with his former colleague and politely told him to refrain from annoying the senior leadership.

"But Ali wouldn't listen to us. He thought his input was necessary to save the institution he was serving and loved," the officer said.
Anger vented

Brig Ali even wrote to the President Asif Ali Zardari suggesting ways to make Pakistan economically self-reliant by freeing the country of American aid.

After the US Special Forces raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound on 2 May, Brig Khan finally got the opportunity to vent his anger.

On 5 May, he was invited to a meeting by his former student and now his boss, Lieutenant General Javed Iqbal at the army headquarters.

The question that officers were asked at this meeting was how to pursue an inquiry into the 2 May raid.One officer present in the meeting said all had been going well until it was Brig Khan's turn to speak. In his opinion, the culprits who had hidden Bin Laden and allowed the Americans to get away with breaching Pakistan's sovereignty were to be found within the army.

Gen Javed Iqbal was furious at the end of the meeting. As it turned out, Brig Khan's views were not those of a lone wolf - he had managed to persuade some of his fellow officers of the veracity of his case.

Gen Iqbal promptly told the corps commanders what had happened the following day at a meeting chaired by Gen Kayani. That same evening Brig Khan was arrested.

Army officers who have worked with the brigadier say that nobody who knows him seriously believes that he has been involved in anything illegal.

"But the problem is that his anti-American views and [opinions on] self reliance were getting popular with middle and lower ranking officers," one remarked.

In an interview with the BBC's Urdu service Maj Gen Athar Abbas commented: "The army is a cult in itself, so it's intolerant towards any other cult within".

It looks as is Brig Khan's cult was growing too rapidly and too dangerously.

BBC News - Brigadier Ali Khan: Pakistan's dissenting army officer
 
I know you are sympathetic to the cause of Islamists who are trying to force their ideology onto others but at least be considerate with your understanding of the issues involved.

This is all linked together to the greater damage that has occurred in Pakistan due to the overt use of religious glorification and propagation.

Don't you think you people have caused enough damage?

You are an exceptional case on this forum.You have one fatal problem.You want to sing something and than want others to follow.Now that is a habit and it will always make you lack your judgement.I will humbly and honestly ignore you now and will catch you some other right time.The time when I will be sure from your posts that you have rejuvenate your self from this habit.
 
You are an exceptional case on this forum.You have one fatal problem.You want to sing something and than want others to follow.Now that is a habit and it will always make you lack your judgement.I will humbly and honestly ignore you now and will catch you some other right time.The time when I will be sure from your posts that you have rejuvenate your self from this habit.

Nonsense comes in many forms and you are an example of one who can cloak it with even more inane sentences.

I know its difficult for you and your ilk to come to terms with the fact that your goals of achieving power by hook or crook has failed and now you are stuck in this rut forever.

Lack of judgement is the correct term, you scramble to deflect the failures onto others while never answering the core issues of religious destruction that you have set off.

Ignore, ignore everything and continue to live as if nothing has happened, things will only get worse from now onwards.

My simple question is, don't you think you people have caused enough damage?
 
The BBC Urdu service story plays the HuT line - once again, the innocent brigadier who openly criticizes the COAS while still in uniform - one can understand the criticism once the uniform has come off, but while in uniform, it reeks of sedition - the more I read about the Brigadier and especially what his wife has had to say, I feel confident that the investigation is justified -- I'm not sure I know or understand even, what it will take to stop this infection in the main body of the armed forces, I do fear that nothing short of a total break will suffice and to be honest, yes, the Pakistan Fauj that may be left after that - really, I cannot say with confidence that I have any sense of what that army may be like or about.

Personally my sympathies are with Gen. Abbas (though I don't think much about the quality of job he has done) that the army should not tolerate any other code beside it's own ---- Will the civilian government realize the same over the issue of it's sole, exclusive responsibility to use coercion as force of law in society?? Don't hold your breath for that one - either way, for the army to survive it will have to decide what it is about .
 
right or wrong, if you show any dissent in the army in a uniform, any military man and i on a personal level will tellyou that you will have your rank stripped off.
 
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