Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[GuardianRED]

Yes India is the center of the stage and no one is questiong the French. Its because the leak happened years ago and when the stray documents reached somewhere else on the planet, so French are clueless and since these documents deals with Indian sub and security, we are in trouble.


Only if Australia wants to cancel the recent deal. This only after India cancels the years old deal (its chances are low) which Australians may try and pressure us inncoming days if that is their purpose.

I think u need to read couple of posts back, the French are every involved, already a case is open and investigation started.

 

[Shankranthi]

Only if Australia wants to cancel the recent deal. This only after India cancels the years old deal (its chances are low) which Australians may try and pressure us in coming days if that is their purpose.

Proposed Ausi sub is 1 generation ahead of Scorpene.

 

[911]

Proposed Ausi sub is 1 generation ahead of Scorpene.

Well they paid hefty amount for it too
http://www.news.com.au/technology/i...e/news-story/954c2fe70c454288664ed6cfb9d1004f

 

[Hellfire]

Proposed Ausi sub is 1 generation ahead of Scorpene.

How exactly?

 

[911]

I think u need to read couple of posts back, the French are every involved, already a case is open and investigation started.

Its good. And for India, we can't really do much in this other than be worried.

 

[GuardianRED]

Its good. And for India, we can't really do much in this other than be worried.

No Worries Man, Be Happy!!

 

[sathya]

While Chile, Malaysia , Brazil not making any statements ?

 

[GuardianRED]

While Chile, Malaysia , Brazil not making any statements ?

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1952017

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/ca...24/scorpene-data-leak-has-no-bearing-on-msia/

Publicly they will say they are not affected as its NOT their countries name on this! BUT behind the scenes who knows!

 

[Ali Zadi]

Its a good time to invade them. Their entire population is less than that of Mumbai and Delhi combined.

They are the descendants of some very bad people

 

[dadeechi]

While Chile, Malaysia , Brazil not making any statements ?

Chile & Malaysia has already commissioned.

The target & biggest impact is on India, Brazil & Australia.

India along with DCNS are the biggest losers as Brazil & Australia have little to loose.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Scorpène leak: French firm DCNS moves court for injunction against 'The Australian' newspaper


PTI Aug 28, 2016 22:00 IST

Melbourne: Embattled French defence firm DCNS has approached the Supreme Court in Australia seeking an injunction against The Australian from further publishing the leaked documents of India's Scorpene submarine project.

The DCNS has also sought a court order to the newspaper to hand over the documents in its possession and removal of the contents from its website.

"The publication of this highly valuable document causes a direct harm to DCNS and its customer in terms of spread of sensitive and restricted information, image and reputation," The Australian quoted an affidavit by DCNS lawyer Justine Munsie.

The newspaper had said that it will publish the documents regarding the weapons system of the submarine on Monday.

Over 22,000 pages of top secret data on the capabilities of six highly advanced submarines being built for the Indian Navy in Mumbai in collaboration with a French company have been leaked.

The move by DCNS comes after a former commander of US Pacific fleet Submarine Force warned that the leaks would undermine the confidence in the ability of French companies to protect classified information.

Rear Admiral (Retd) John Padgett, who is also the president of the US Naval Submarine League, has said that aggressive action needed to be taken to probe the leak and that France should share the outcome with Australia.

The secret data included details of the capabilities of SM39 anti-ship missile expected to be used on the Scorpene and classified information about the number of targets the missile was capable of processing.

Explaining the implications of the leak, Admiral Padgett said, "It is never good for an opponent to have your playbook."

"As a member of NATO, the French government and French military demonstrate that they enforce effective security controls and have a solid reputation with their allies," he said.

He said the investigation had to determine exactly how the breach occurred and what "aggressive action" would be taken to correct deficient security controls.

His comments came as a French public prosecutor opened a preliminary investigation into the data leak, with DCNS filing a complaint for breach of trust.

"We filed a complaint against unknown persons for breach of trust with the Paris prosecutor," said a DCNS spokesman.

The DCNS has won a contract to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/scor...against-the-australian-newspaper-2980736.html

@GuardianRED : There is your weapon system name. This one is also there in Chilean navy and IN as well . All over world there are more than 3500 Exocet missile sold with 33+ countries. Its there in Agosta of PN as well.

 

[GuardianRED]

Scorpène leak: French firm DCNS moves court for injunction against 'The Australian' newspaper


PTI Aug 28, 2016 22:00 IST

Melbourne: Embattled French defence firm DCNS has approached the Supreme Court in Australia seeking an injunction against The Australian from further publishing the leaked documents of India's Scorpene submarine project.

The DCNS has also sought a court order to the newspaper to hand over the documents in its possession and removal of the contents from its website.

"The publication of this highly valuable document causes a direct harm to DCNS and its customer in terms of spread of sensitive and restricted information, image and reputation," The Australian quoted an affidavit by DCNS lawyer Justine Munsie.

The newspaper had said that it will publish the documents regarding the weapons system of the submarine on Monday.

Over 22,000 pages of top secret data on the capabilities of six highly advanced submarines being built for the Indian Navy in Mumbai in collaboration with a French company have been leaked.

The move by DCNS comes after a former commander of US Pacific fleet Submarine Force warned that the leaks would undermine the confidence in the ability of French companies to protect classified information.

Rear Admiral (Retd) John Padgett, who is also the president of the US Naval Submarine League, has said that aggressive action needed to be taken to probe the leak and that France should share the outcome with Australia.

The secret data included details of the capabilities of SM39 anti-ship missile expected to be used on the Scorpene and classified information about the number of targets the missile was capable of processing.

Explaining the implications of the leak, Admiral Padgett said, "It is never good for an opponent to have your playbook."

"As a member of NATO, the French government and French military demonstrate that they enforce effective security controls and have a solid reputation with their allies," he said.

He said the investigation had to determine exactly how the breach occurred and what "aggressive action" would be taken to correct deficient security controls.

His comments came as a French public prosecutor opened a preliminary investigation into the data leak, with DCNS filing a complaint for breach of trust.

"We filed a complaint against unknown persons for breach of trust with the Paris prosecutor," said a DCNS spokesman.

The DCNS has won a contract to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/scor...against-the-australian-newspaper-2980736.html

@GuardianRED : There is your weapon system name. This one is also there in Chilean navy and IN as well . All over world there are more than 3500 Exocet missile sold with 33+ countries. Its there in Agosta of PN as well.

LOL ... I think the Aussie lost the plot , when he realized that

A) The main Weapons ie the Blackshark isn't on the IN Boats and if he had released that it can possible to point which of the existing boats its from (Chile or Malaysia)

B) The Exocet Missile like you mentioned is sold all over the world , so nothing new he is releasing!

Now that DCNS approached the courts. Hopefully some truth!

 

[PARIKRAMA]

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Another interesting article
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'No delay in Scorpene programme, India capable of making changes'
By IANS | Aug 28, 2016, 10.45 PM IST
By Anjali Ojha

NEW DELHI: As the Indian Navy investigates the leaked documents pertaining to its six Scorpene submarines, top officers say they do not expect the project to be delayed and that the first vessel, INS Kalvari, which is currently undergoing sea trials, will be inducted by the year-end.

While the Indian Navy has maintained the leaked data -- which The Australian newspaper that broke the story says runs into 22,400 pages -- will not compromise the boat's stealth capabilities, an officer told IANS that, if needed, India is capable of making suitable changes in the submarines keeping in mind the "worst-case scenario".

Changes can be made "at any stage, if needed", the officer said.

"We are expecting to induct INS Kalvari in the navy by year-end. The trials have been good. So far we do not see the leaks affecting the schedule," he added.

The other five submarines are expected to be inducted after a gap of nine months each after the first.

We must not forget the submarines are being built by us, so we have all the capabilities for making some changes if required," the officer said. The official however maintained they do not see any need for changes "right now".

He said that India will have the real critical information on the boat once the trials are over, and reiterated the Indian Navy's official line that the information in the documents is generic.

"The final signature of the submarine is still to be established. Those documents, that come out after the trials, will have the actual critical information and will be only with the Indian Navy," the officer said.

The disclosures in the leaked documents relate to cylindrical and flank array, sonar interception, acoustic signature and levels of noise radiation, among other details.

However, asked about the Air Independent Propulsion (AIP), which was to give the submarines increased stealth, enabling them to stay under water for longer durations, the officer remained non-committal.

"The technology is being developed by the DRDO; the process is going on," he officer said.

The AIP system, being developed by the Maharashtra-based Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL), is a fuel cell that replaces diesel in conventional submarines. It converts methanol-like substances to produce hydrogen, which is the fuel that runs the cell to produce electricity.

While diesel engines need oxygen to function, these cells are air independent. The system also emits less noise, increasing its stealth -- the most critical feature of a submarine.

With this system, a conventional submarine that needs to surface every three to four days for replenishing its oxygen supply, can stay underwater for up to two weeks.

It was earlier expected to be fitted in at least last two of the six Scorpenes but officials later said it may miss the fifth one as well.

The Scorpene submarines, which are being made by the Mazagaon Dock Limited (MDL), have been designed by the French firm DCNS, from where the documents are believed to have leaked.

The leak of documents came to light this week with a report in The Australian. The journalist who broke the story, Cameron Stewart, has said the documents were with a whistleblower for at least last two years in Australia.

Before that, it was for an unknown period on an internet server in Singapore, exposed to threats like hacking. It is not known if anyone accessed the report at that time.

The documents have triggered fears that they may compromise the submarine's stealth capabilities.

Tracking a submarine involves sophisticated sonar equipment that can detect, classify, locate and track a vessel based on echoes from its hull and the noise it generates. Hull reflection, radio and radar signals and water pressure can also give away a submarine's location.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...le-of-making-changes/articleshow/53900872.cms

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From above

https://defence.pk/threads/sensitiv...submarines-leaked.445677/page-29#post-8616171

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Enjoy...

 

[PARIKRAMA]

why do you DON'T think it is deliberately leaked by french intelligence taking India in confidence. They gave the end user ( who ever it is) low grade intelligence on Scorpene and in return they got something of high value.
I feel Indian agencies are not stupid that they were not aware of the leak for the pas 5 years.

I did my good sir and same was written here as well.

https://defence.pk/threads/sensitiv...submarines-leaked.445677/page-30#post-8616279

 

[dadeechi]

Scorpène leak: French firm DCNS moves court for injunction against 'The Australian' newspaper


PTI Aug 28, 2016 22:00 IST

Melbourne: Embattled French defence firm DCNS has approached the Supreme Court in Australia seeking an injunction against The Australian from further publishing the leaked documents of India's Scorpene submarine project.

The DCNS has also sought a court order to the newspaper to hand over the documents in its possession and removal of the contents from its website.

"The publication of this highly valuable document causes a direct harm to DCNS and its customer in terms of spread of sensitive and restricted information, image and reputation," The Australian quoted an affidavit by DCNS lawyer Justine Munsie.

The newspaper had said that it will publish the documents regarding the weapons system of the submarine on Monday.

Over 22,000 pages of top secret data on the capabilities of six highly advanced submarines being built for the Indian Navy in Mumbai in collaboration with a French company have been leaked.

The move by DCNS comes after a former commander of US Pacific fleet Submarine Force warned that the leaks would undermine the confidence in the ability of French companies to protect classified information.

Rear Admiral (Retd) John Padgett, who is also the president of the US Naval Submarine League, has said that aggressive action needed to be taken to probe the leak and that France should share the outcome with Australia.

The secret data included details of the capabilities of SM39 anti-ship missile expected to be used on the Scorpene and classified information about the number of targets the missile was capable of processing.

Explaining the implications of the leak, Admiral Padgett said, "It is never good for an opponent to have your playbook."

"As a member of NATO, the French government and French military demonstrate that they enforce effective security controls and have a solid reputation with their allies," he said.

He said the investigation had to determine exactly how the breach occurred and what "aggressive action" would be taken to correct deficient security controls.

His comments came as a French public prosecutor opened a preliminary investigation into the data leak, with DCNS filing a complaint for breach of trust.

"We filed a complaint against unknown persons for breach of trust with the Paris prosecutor," said a DCNS spokesman.

The DCNS has won a contract to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/scor...against-the-australian-newspaper-2980736.html

@GuardianRED : There is your weapon system name. This one is also there in Chilean navy and IN as well . All over world there are more than 3500 Exocet missile sold with 33+ countries. Its there in Agosta of PN as well.

What is the use of this when the leak was already on the internet for couple of years now. Keeping it secret from general public does not mean that the leak would be secret from the agencies and the groups who are interested in it.


Cross-posting:

One needs to understand that US-UK-Germany-Australia-Japan-SK is a close knit family.

One has to follow the motive and the money.

If China was involved then they would have never allowed it to be public instead they would have kept the leak secret and used the data during the war.

The fact that the leak is public itself clearly indicates that it was not from China.

The leak was not only to sabotage the Australian sub deal but also to break the Indo-French relationship.

Remember France was the only country from the West which stood by India when it mattered.

It's just not scorpenes deal but there are lot more deals like RAFALEs, P75I, nuclear cooperation etc. that are all the target of this leak.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/india-us-rush-to-ink-logistics-pact-parrikar%E2%80%99s-trip-rescheduled-to-help-deal.446209/page-3#ixzz4IeowuYt0