Heres the wrap from Australia and France
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Something interesting going on for last 2 days away from the mockery of "news reports"
August 25th
DCNS &
@UNSW boost collaboration on research & development
#submarines #innovation #ausdef
and
Good to be meeting with
@theamwu today to discuss how to develop the workforce to build 12
#submarines in
#Adelaide
AMWU - Australia Manufacturers Workers Union
Source:
https://twitter.com/DCNSAustralia
So In Australia its biz as normal and no one cared for the so called "leaks" and proceeded like normal...
Did not i say The newspaper and leaks were using Indian Scorpenes as the excuse to score brownie points..
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A complaint against X was filed Thursday in Paris by the French shipbuilder
DCNS for breach of trust, receiving stolen property and accessory after the
massive leak of confidential technical information on its Scorpene submarines, have we learned from source judiciary.
The complaint is examined by the prosecutor, who will decide whether to open a preliminary investigation, to entrust the investigation to the investigating judges or take no action.
Source:
http://www.20minutes.fr/economie/19...-plainte-contre-x-apres-fuite-massive-donnees
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Scorpene: what is the real value of the leaked documents?
The
leak of a technical document 22,400 pages on Scorpene submarines sold by DCNS India causes a storm in the French industrial and among its customers, particularly in India and Australia. However, the real value of the disseminated data to be defined.
According to two experts interviewed by the sea , it could be in fact a minor.
One of the key elements of the next few days will be to accurately determine the value of the document, the Australian daily
The Australian revealed the leak, in an article published on August 24 in the morning, that is to say in the middle of the night in Paris.
So,
The Australian announced he could consult a document describing the technical characteristics of Scorpene submarines of 22 400 pages. A considerable amount equivalent to 16 times
Fighting Fleets .To support his point,
The Australian details the contents, pagination chapters, discusses some technical aspects described and published a dozen pages with some specific data printed were masked at the initiative of the newspaper.
What content?
Remains to know who is the author of the leak, which was the addressee, but especially that it contains exactly. Which could help contain the fire which was immediately declared in Bombay and Canberra.
In India, the procedure for three months to the first sea trials of the first of six submarines whose plans are now in nature, new spearhead of the Indian sub-marinade compete with his Pakistani neighbors (also equipped DCNS, but with an earlier generation of submarines Agosta) and especially Chinese. A series of six vessels under construction in Mumbai with French assistance (and four years late), for a contract of $ 3.9 billion, an follow on being more under negotiation. It is perhaps the first target of mischief.
flipping can
In Canberra, was selected on April 26, the supply of DCNS to carry, Australia, 12 derivatives submarines, diesel-electric version of the Barracuda French nuclear submarine. A giant contract that spans 25 years and 50 billion Australian dollars, or 34 billion euros, of which 8 billion euros to DCNS.But at this stage, we are still in exclusive negotiations. Firm contracts have yet to be negotiated. In fact, a reversal is possible.
Several French intelligence services were missioned on the case. And at DCNS is one of the priorities of the moment, which will much better, if any, to reassure customers (Chile and Malaysia, the Scorpene already sailing, India, Australia) and prospects (Norway , Poland).
If we judge by the excerpts posted by The Australian , few, the document seems to be the instruction manual or the general presentation leaflet.
"P as particularly sensitive"
Documents of this type,
a priori made jointly by industrial and marine user can move through many hands: crews, technicians and subcontractors. Some data and measures are mentioned (but have been hidden by the newspaper). Different patterns of equipment are presented, eg bow sonar, one of the secrets that are equipment. That said, a diagram does not give the performance of sonar.
The sailor interviewed two experts. Both of them had access to what was posted online by The Australian , that is to say only a few pages. "It is certainly not immune to the presence of data really classified crept into the ground. But unless that is the case, the type of document submitted does not seem particularly sensitive " , says one of our sources.
Another expert believes that "what one discovers contains nothing that is truly protected in any case nothing is objectively known to anyone with some curiosity on the subject. The attached documents are synthetic and curves third octave (note: presented to illustrate the ship radiated noise) express nothing strictly secret. The device descriptions are generic. It must also consider that the document is dated and nothing says that it is not technically further. "
The fact that electromagnetic, magnetic and infrared characteristics of the submarine are described"not enough to allow the detection of a submarine" . Torpedo launch systems are considered"known" , and "for the conditions of use periscopes" .
Source:
http://www.lemarin.fr/secteurs-acti...-quelle-reelle-valeur-des-documents-divulgues
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DCNS: "data leaks" on the subs are they serious?
BRUNO TREVIDIC ALAIN RUELLO 24/08 16:14Updated at 18:34
The documents released by an Australian newspaper on French submarines DCNS sold to India would not be classified "confidential defense" and the data disclosed not so sensitive as that.
Disclosure of major defense secrets involving national security or simple commercial low blow aimed at undermining the reputation of a player in the French defense industry? The question remains after the publication by the newspaper "The Australian" of various documents detailing the characteristics technical Scorpene type submarines sold by the French DCNS India.
According to the Australian newspaper, the mass flight of
"secret documents" , which represent a total of over 22,400 pages - the origin of which is naturally not unveiled - expose to light the secrets of a "bestseller "DNCS and of future flagship of the Indian navy, the first of six copies, made in India, due to enter service in the coming months. The level of underwater noise emissions, the range and depth, its magnetic signature and electronic magnetic, would be well detailed in detail in these documents, including "The Australian" published
excerpts on its website.
The "contract of the century" challenged?
What cause concern not only among Indian customers Scorpene, but also among the other clients of the French shipbuilder, chief among them the Australian navy. In April, Australia had indeed chosen the latest DCNS, the Barracuda to renew its fleet of submarines. A market worth 34.5 billion euros over twenty years, presented as
the deal of the century for DCNS , but still to be finalized by the end of the year or early 2017, according to a source close to the matter .
These commercial papers, which are not confidential within the meaning of secret defense. Suffice to say that these revelations fall at the worst time for DCNS, while the French company is engaged in the phase of final negotiations of the various contracts of this vast project. And although the Barracuda chosen by Australia has very little to do with Indian Scorpene, it does not need more to the Australian newspaper said that the leaks could jeopardize the choice of Barracuda.
Commercial documents
A finding an excessive nothing. Not only future Barracuda Australian offer much better performance than the Scorpene, but their weapons systems and much of their equipment will be totally different because they will be supplied by US companies.
Moreover, the documents revealed by "The Australian" perhaps are not as secret as the newspaper says. The few online documents are apparently extracts from technical manuals provided by manufacturers, DCNS and Thales, in Indian customer, Restricted, as reported on the "restricted" information set in the header, but it is not classified documents in the French defense official typology.
During pre-investigation
The Ministry of Defence distinguishes indeed 5 level of confidentiality, "restricted", "confidential defense", "confidential defense France Special", "secret" and "top secret defense". But the documents presented on the site even not fit in the first category. "These are commercial documents, which have not confidential within the meaning of defense secret" , says one military source French.
remains to verify that all documents sent to the Australian newspaper are the same barrel. This is probably the subject of the ongoing investigation, mentioned by the spokesman of DCNS and Thales to explain the absence of official statements. But Wednesday morning, no one was able to identify who among the security services, was in charge of this investigation. And, according to our information, no complaints or judicial investigation has been initiated, thus leaving casts further doubt on the seriousness of the damage suffered.
Australian and Indian authorities temper
Despite the emotion aroused by the case, the consequences could be ultimately very limited. As of Wednesday morning, the Australian authorities also claimed that these "revelations" in no way call into question the continuation of the ongoing negotiations with DCNS. As for the Indian Defence Minister, while announcing the launch of an investigation, he told an Indian television that disclosed data would
"not important" , adding that the construction of Scorpene submarines in India would continue normally.
Source:
http://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-se...les-sous-marins-sont-elles-graves-2022552.php
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Biggest takeaway
The Ministry of Defence distinguishes indeed 5 level of confidentiality,
- "confidential defense France Special",
But the documents presented on the site even not fit in the first category. "These are commercial documents, which have not confidential within the meaning of defense secret" , says one military source French.
and
The fact that electromagnetic, magnetic and infrared characteristics of the submarine are described"not enough to allow the detection of a submarine" . Torpedo launch systems are considered"known" , and "for the conditions of use periscopes" .
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