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Senate pushes Pentagon on US-India defence tiesF-35 sales.
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi June 28, 2011, 0:03 IST

Wants 5-year plan, F-35 sales and joint development of trainer aircraft.

The United States Congress has moved decisively to bridge a widening gulf between the defence establishments of India and America. In an unprecedented initiative, the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC), which oversees the US Department of Defense, has ordered the Pentagon to submit a report by November 1 with a detailed assessment of the current state of US-India security cooperation; and a five-year plan for enhancing that cooperation in the Indo-Pacific region and globally.

The SASC has also ordered “a detailed assessment of the desirability and feasibility of the future sale of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to India, and a potential US partnership with India to co-develop one or more military weapon systems, including but not limited to the anticipated program to replace the US Air Force T-38 trainer jet”.

The Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has indicated its unwillingness to procure the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), a futuristic, fifth-generation fighter aircraft that is at an advanced stage of development by US aerospace major Lockheed Martin. The reason that New Delhi cites is an ongoing joint development programme with Russia to develop a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). But MoD sources indicate there will be keen interest in New Delhi in any joint development programme with the US, especially in the realm of aerospace.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is grappling with a severe crisis in the availability of basic trainer aircraft for its cadets. The MoD is evaluating bids in a global tender for buying basic trainers for the IAF. Meanwhile, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is launching an indigenous programme for developing and building a basic trainer that has been dubbed the Hindustan Turbo Trainer-40 (HTT-40).

With the Indian requirement estimated at about 200 trainers, joint development with the US would achieve a three-fold purpose: Indigenously meeting the IAF requirement; leveraging the experience of the US aerospace industry to ensure that the HAL programme meets time and quality yardsticks; and, most attractive for New Delhi, establishing a framework for high-technology cooperation and joint development with the US.

The SASC initiative was piloted last week by two influential members — Senator John Cornyn (Republican from Texas) and Joe Lieberman (Democrat from Connecticut) — as an amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill (each allocation of the US defence budget is evaluated and passed by the SASC). The amendment notes, “It is in the national interest of the United States… to support India’s rise and build a strategic and military culture of cooperation and interoperability between our two countries, in particular with regard to the Indo-Pacific region.”

This new initiative from the US Congress illustrates how the US-India relationship is expanding from the strategic into the popular realm. The senators’ interest reflects pressure from electoral constituencies, especially the powerful American-Indian community, and from economic considerations like the jobs created by Indian military purchases.

Senior US officials privately contrast the flowering of the broad US-India strategic relationship with deepening scepticism about the defence relationship. Declaring flatly that there was “hesitation within the Indian MoD about working too closely with the US”, a top American official recently lamented that Washington’s outreach evokes little more than “wariness” from South Block. Meanwhile, Indian officials complain that America is interested only in defence sales, talking partnership but implementing technology sanctions.

Henceforth, the flagging Pentagon-South Block relationship will not be left merely to bureaucrats, guided as they are by procedure and precedent rather than by an overarching vision. The efforts of the administration will now be watched over by the US Congress.

Says Manohar Thyagarajan, head of Paragon International, a strategic advisory firm that closely monitors the US-India security relationship, “This signifies that the Senate is willing to take a leadership role in discussing key elements of the US-India relationship. Key constituencies such as industry and the Indian-American community would likely welcome thought leadership by Congress, which can be useful at times of inertia in the Washington interagency process, especially in trenchant areas like technology transfer.”

Senate pushes Pentagon on US-India defence ties
 
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How about we ask US for electronic version of F-35, with growler + F35 capabilities.
That will be a real stealth and 5g aircraft , even beating F22 and PAKFA, and of course worlds best strike aircraft.
An F35E/G with 2 Su30mki's(high rcs) , would be better combo than 2 PAKFA's and 1 Su30mki.
 
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Are we crazy or what? Has anyone factored in the cost of procurement, maintenance, training, spares etc? The unit cost of one F-35 would be $304.15 million ( Rs 1500 Crores per peice!!!) if its share of RDT&E spending is included.

Fancy toys considering that we're never going to use them!! :undecided:
 
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The United States Congress has moved decisively to bridge a widening gulf between the defence establishments of India and America. In an unprecedented initiative, the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC), which oversees the US Department of Defense, has ordered the Pentagon to submit a report by November 1 with a detailed assessment of the current state of US-India security cooperation; and a five-year plan for enhancing that cooperation in the Indo-Pacific region and globally.

Good development. US has the best technologies which are two generation ahead of others. But why just trainer aircraft? If they want to cooperate than we should focus on the following.


Next generation electronic warfare
Early warning systems
Cyber warfare
Senors
Biotechnology
AI and Robotics
 
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If US want to have a good relation with India then why not F-22,instead of F-35.I know US federal law comes in way but the superpower US can manage this.......
 
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USA is desperste for money and defence being their only remaining export.they are despetate to find paying customers.
reminds of the demise of USSR they had their best jets on offer for whoever can pay the price.they werent bothered who was the buyer and friend or foe as long as they had the money to pay..
USA with huge debts is now in similar situation.
 
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USA is desperste for money and defence being their only remaining export.they are despetate to find paying customers.
reminds of the demise of USSR they had their best jets on offer for whoever can pay the price.they werent bothered who was the buyer and friend or foe as long as they had the money to pay..
USA with huge debts is now in similar situation.

You need a reality check.. US exports a lot... from coke to satellite parts... the debt is not a major of trade... but more of internal consumption..
 
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i'm pretty sure the navy will order around 50 f 35 from the us for iac 2......but the air force is completely uninterested....... This could be a good sign as the decision to not buy the f 35 came after the acm went to russia to take a look at the pak fa - indicating that the air force considers the fgfa to be better than the f 35......
 
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we should definitely get into joint ventures with america..... Especially in areas like bmd and electronic warfare.....
 
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It seems very clear that US has very very long term plans with India. I wont be surprised if in future ( very soon) they do something in interest of india that offends Pakistan alot.
Note: It is just a thought, i am not making it India vs Pakistan thread so trolls please no need to jump.
 
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The real issue under neath ... no one knows... US going JV for trainer will be a myth... there are lot of issues on broader basis ... we can see MoD clearly very careful in dealing with US.. while US putting restrictions on several aspect.. day by day the issue will grow only... India has nothing much to contribute except MMRCA which US where counting to retaing the jobs of its citizens ... where as US can really join with any one..
 
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Too late and we arent interested.

But basic trainer is a good beginning also missile technologies.
 
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