Secularists should 'mend ways or leave country', says PTI lawmaker

[Awan68]

And who the hell is he to tell someone to leave the country ?? just for holding views/ideology that is opposed to his own ?

They demean and reject the constitution and ideology and basis of foundation of pakistan, that is ample misconduct to expell one from a country, such sentiments amount to treason and if these leeches gain power or ample followers in pakistan, with foriegn funding they can launch a genocide campaign like lenin and stalin did( the founding fathers of secularism)..

Bro there are a lot of things in the constitution that are wrong and discriminatory imo and they should be corrected or abolished and than we've this extremist mindset everywhere be it judiciary, gov, educational institutions or even military the only way to get rid of this extremism and intolerance is to move towards secular liberalism and no (before anyone says) liberalism doesn't mean insulting/hurting someone's religion or religious personalities. My question is simple why not we all just keep religion to ourselves (that's what Mr Jinnah wanted) lets just live and let others live? why can't we become like Germany, France and UK?

Germany, uk and france didnt become powers by sucking up to the muslim empires when we muslims were the superpower , they stuck to their ideologies and when the time came they pushed us over, we wont leave them behind until we syick to our own ideologies and and implement the true islamic principles of righteousness, honesty and brutal justice in this country, we have made islam a money generating industry here in pakistan, bring back real islam, the sharia law, the caliphate aka presidentiak system and see where we stand after 10 yrs, and only those idiots glorify seculariam who have little knowledge of history, no philosophical prowess over the advent of atheism, democracy,secualrism, liberalism etc and a minute iq, athiests and their ideologies have been the largest genocide committers in entrie histroy, chock up on lenin and stalin, chock up on what secular britian, france etc did to africans, indians etc, what secular eurpeans did to native redindians, what america was and still doing to blacks, pakistan is a much much tolerant society than these europeans and americans, read the actual stats for comparison and dont incclude these ttp vermin that were impoed on us by hindu and secular powers, secularism only negates god it does nothing to curb humans instincts to rape, loot plunder steal and murder, only religion and brutal justice does that...

And peope please stop labelling these vermins as liberals, liberalism is a phenomina that advocates negation of caste system, economic uplift of humans, equal oppurtunites to all and equal justice for all regardless of power or post, liberalism never actually stood for naked women, drunk loafers, rampant drugs, godlessness, feminism and disintegration of the nuclear family and traditional household, capitalists have hijacked liberalism to generate money through filth and what better way to justify it than labeling it as liberalism, muslims and islam were the greatest liberals ever to have walked the earth, label these vermins as secular fascists cause thats what they actually are..

 

[AUz]

Look, 'secularists' in Pakistan need to accept the fact that Pakistan is an Islamic state, was meant to be an Islamic state, and was established as an Islamic Republic in our founding documents.

secularists can live their life in their privacy...they can do whatever they want. But they should stop trying to 'secularize' Pakistan and trying to influence our politics and culture just because of their personal agendas.

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic where Islamic culture and lifestyle is meant to be nurtured and perfected. You don't like it? Well, either keep it to yourself or leave the country. Don't try to impose YOUR views on 99% of Pakistanis who do not want to impose your secular immorality on themselves and their families.

 

[Awan68]

Look, 'secularists' in Pakistan need to accept the fact that Pakistan is an Islamic state, was meant to be an Islamic state, and was established as an Islamic Republic in our founding documents.

secularists can live their life in their privacy...they can do whatever they want. But they should stop trying to 'secularize' Pakistan and trying to influence our politics and culture just because of their personal agendas.

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic where Islamic culture and lifestyle is meant to be nurtured and perfected. You don't like it? Well, either keep it to yourself or leave the country. Don't try to impose YOUR views on 99% of Pakistanis who do not want to impose your secular immorality on themselves and their families.

Yes exactly pakistani's are extremely tolerant and will not bother anyone for their views unless they force fully try to project it on them, this minority tries to impose thier views on the silent majority, they get funding from abroad, the buy media, rhe spread false hood about jinnah being secualar and pakistan not founded on islam etc and when they with their lies are confronted they start this randi rona of "oh we are so oppressed", "oh, our freedom of speech", "oh, our rights", u never see them confronting issues with logic they just try to impose their views, they are paid fascists who hide under the cloak of liberalism..

 

[M. Sarmad]

Look, 'secularists' in Pakistan need to accept the fact that Pakistan is an Islamic state, was meant to be an Islamic state, and was established as an Islamic Republic in our founding documents.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Pakistan was NOT established as an "Islamic Republic". Pakistan became an Islamic Republic in 1956 only (i.e. 9 years after its creation); "Prostitution of Islam for political ends" as President Iskander Mirza described it.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Pakistan will never be a secular country. Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be and I quote HIS words a country with "Islamic Socialism."

This and his final speech at the state bank of Pakistan should be clear enough what he wanted Pakistan to be.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

he also he didn't wanted an islamic state

Did he wanted a Jewsih state??

This is what we say difference! Between a rightist and leftist! The right wing mentality in polite ways Get Out, more extremist The Sword is the answer, The Hard core extremist Blow up in public. Tolerance very freakin away from them OH and that Ali guy

the difference b/w the nationalists and Desi liberals is that a Nationalist would die protecting the hounour of Pakistan and her armed forces while shameless desi liberals bark at army 24/7

And who the hell is he to tell someone to leave the country ?? just for holding views/ideology that is opposed to his own ?

If you don't follow constitution then you have no right to live here

 

[Devil Soul]

Secularists should 'mend ways or leave country', says PTI lawmaker
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Published: March 23, 2017
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Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) lawmaker Ali Muhammad Khan caused a stir on Wednesday when he advised those believing Pakistan to be a secular state to mend their ways or leave the country.

“Whoever wants to turn Pakistan into a secular state should mend their ways or move to such a country,” the MNA said during a talk show on 92News.

Screen grab from the talk show

According to Ali, the country was not established on any secular ideology, and rather an Islamic ideology was its basis.

“What did the founder of the nation, Quaid-e-Azam, wanted to be the basis of the country,” the member National Assembly said. “This country was created only in the name of Islam.”

‘Pakistan is different from all other states created in the name of religion’

Not only does Islam hold the basis of Pakistan, the country has the blood of numerous martyrs in its soil, he added.

The politician went on to say that people working on the behest of the enemy, assert that we as a nation should only put own house in order and forget the rest. “We should put our house in order as well as be concerned about what’s happening around the world.”

While some say that the founder of the nation, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, wanted a secular state not governed by a specific religion, others argue he wanted an Islamic welfare state.

Watch the clip here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/844667974170656768

 

[django]

Bro there are a lot of things in the constitution that are wrong and discriminatory imo and they should be corrected or abolished and than we've this extremist mindset everywhere be it judiciary, gov, educational institutions or even military the only way to get rid of this extremism and intolerance is to move towards secular liberalism and no (before anyone says) liberalism doesn't mean insulting/hurting someone's religion or religious personalities. My question is simple why not we all just keep religion to ourselves (that's what Mr Jinnah wanted) lets just live and let others live? why can't we become like Germany, France and UK?

We are a conservative society so becoming a liberal democracy is somewhat alien to the majority of folks living here, I think we have to have our own pluralistic society that will be geared to our own values rather than liberal European states, will we get it, perhaps, though not in the immediate future.Kudos

 

[Reichsmarschall]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Pakistan was NOT established as an "Islamic Republic". Pakistan became an Islamic Republic in 1956 only (i.e. 9 years after its creation); "Prostitution of Islam for political ends" as President Iskander Mirza described it.

"I cannot understand the logic of those who have been deliberately and mischievously propagating that the Constitution of Pakistan will not be based on Islamic Sharia. Islamic principles today are as much applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago."
Address to Karachi Bar Association in January 25, 1948



"The Quran is the general code for the Muslims, a religious, social, civil, commercial, military, judicial, criminal and penal code. It regulates every thing, from the ceremonies of religion to those of daily life, from the salvation of the soul to the health of the body, from the rights of all to those of each individual from morality to crime; from punishment here to that in the life to come, and our Holy Prophet Mohammad (Peace by upon Him) has enjoined on us that every Musalman should posses a copy of the Quran and be his own priest. Therefore, Islam is not merely confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines or ritual and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collective and individual."
Eid-ul-Fitar message in September 1945

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Do agree. We got this country on the name of Islam .

 

[Awan68]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Pakistan was NOT established as an "Islamic Republic". Pakistan became an Islamic Republic in 1956 only (i.e. 9 years after its creation); "Prostitution of Islam for political ends" as President Iskander Mirza described it.

The partition of subcontinent was based upon religion, do u refute that??, pakistan was founded so that muslims can have a separate homeland where they can live according to their culture, religion and laws, 9 years is a little period for s new state to get its things in order, u sre only fooling ur self...

We are a conservative society so becoming a liberal democracy is somewhat alien to the majority of folks living here, I think we have to have our own pluralistic society that will be geared to our own values rather than liberal European states, will we get it, perhaps, though not in the immediate future.Kudos

They didnt get it in their immediate futures either, it took britain several civil wars and atleast 500 yrs to get here, it took france a complete bloody reboot and several civil wars to get here, it seems the only ones who immediately got it were the muslims of old, just 10 yrs and equality justice etc to a quater of the world, no one can compete that, we are a sham islamic republic, we need to adopt caliphate aka presidential system asap, implement pire islamic jurispendence etc to truly become an islamic republic..

 

[Verve]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Pakistan was NOT established as an "Islamic Republic". Pakistan became an Islamic Republic in 1956 only (i.e. 9 years after its creation); "Prostitution of Islam for political ends" as President Iskander Mirza described it.

Please stop twisting things. Listen to Jinnah's speeches carefully and slowly! It is well established that Pakistan was created for muslims, for our way of life (i.e. Islam) and Jinnah clearly said that we are a different nation from the Hindus in every way. If we were created to be secular, then there would not have been a need for Pakistan as India claims to be secular state anyways.

Anyways, cry and scream all you want, you are a minority anyways and you will not dictate a majority on how we want Pakistan to be. If you can't stand Pakistan as majority wants it to be, then please LEAVE!

 

[The Sandman]

Germany, uk and france didnt become powers by sucking up to the muslim empires when we muslims were the superpower , they stuck to their ideologies and when the time came they pushed us over, we wont leave them behind until we syick to our own ideologies and and implement the true islamic principles of righteousness, honesty and brutal justice in this country,

They adopted ideologies that helped them get where they're today and there's no harm in accepting that as i said Mr Jinnah didn't wanted an Islamic state zia islamised Pakistan what have we achieved from that? where are standing today everything went down the moment that shaitan came to power.

bring back real islam, the sharia law, the caliphate aka presidentiak system and see where we stand after 10 yrs,

You can not force sharia law on anyone.

pakistan is a much much tolerant society than these europeans and americans, read the actual stats for comparison and dont incclude these ttp vermin that were impoed on us by hindu and secular powers, secularism only negates god it does nothing to curb humans instincts to rape, loot plunder steal and murder, only religion and brutal justice does that...

Pls! it's ok to be patriotic but it's not ok to lie to yourself and don't even get me started on taliban issue otherwise thread will be derailed.

Did he wanted a Jewsih state??

Don't quote me if you don't have any sensible thing to say.

 

[M. Sarmad]

If you don't follow constitution then you have no right to live here

Mufakkir e Pakistan Allama Muhammad Iqbal believed that Islam and Secularism are compatible. Demanding Secularism isn't necessarily unIslamic.

Criticism of Law/Constitution is not the same as rejection of Law.

But even if someone rejects constitution, he must be tried in a court of law. You are no one to decide that who has (or hasn't) the right to live in this country ... Even the courts can't expel someone from the country just for "not following" the constitution.

 

[Awan68]

And to dear wannabe seculars here, my dear freinds u are not compatriots of revolutionaries like lenin and stalin who although murderers were honest believers in their doctrines, u my friends are brainwashed bunnies of drones with no moral compasses who are hired by foriegn powers to shit here and in return they get green cards, hundreds of thousands of dollars while u get to be more stupid..