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Hi,
So far he has acted gutless and without spine----the man has shown no character so far----.
Secret Memo of Zardari to Adm. Mike Mullen
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Hi,
So far he has acted gutless and without spine----the man has shown no character so far----.
military has taken some steps in past thats why ur nation is in this mess
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i'm wondering why haqqani would be so casual about discussing such things over BBM; even if it's a country he considers and feels more at home in
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Hi,
Is this a 'new' news for you---I mean to say---is this something new for you to learn---just wanted to let you know that the rest of the world had known about it for many a decades ( about the american capabilities ).
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I am not inviting the army to take over. The army should abolish this govt. and announce next elections in the next 90 days.. Like Gen. Mirza Aslam Baig did...
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Well, yes. But it is'nt limited to Pakistan only. Even india can't detect a stealth helicopter....
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Reason for all of your mess is military regime. If you have democratic elected govt. you would have better governance in long run. Your military and ISI are not accountable and therefore they do whatever they want.
One must understand, although elected representatives may be corrupt, but would take decision taking aawam in confidence unlike Army and ISI which act secretly.
One must understand, although elected representatives may be corrupt, but would take decision taking aawam in confidence unlike Army and ISI which act secretly.
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Are you aware of the situation going in Pakistan?? We have a democratic government right now, but the elected president is asking a foreign military to intervene in Pakistan's internal matter. And not just any matter; he is discussing the issues of NUCLEAR SECURITY with them.
in my view give Zardari deserves a chance he might be corrupt but he represents democracy which in long run will benefit pakistan
if democracy continues for say 15 years in pakistan then power will start shifting automatically from Pindi to Islamabad which is very necessary
u do have democratic gov in pakistan but still Pindi is the place where all shots are made not in Islamabad
for a country to run properly no institution should have more than one power but in pakistan military has muscle as well as power which is hurting pakistan
what i am trying to say is for any nation civilian should have power military should have muscle judiciary should have legal power media should have mass perception control power like this one institution one power the moment any institution gets more than one power its dangerous for that country
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MULLEN CONFIRMS MEMO:
WASHINGTON: Former Chairman US Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Mike Mullen has confirmed receiving memo from Mansoor Ijaz but said he never paid any attention to it and took no follow up, prestigious US publication The Cable reported.
Mansoor Ijaz, US business tycoon alleged in an Oct. 10 op-ed in top UK daily Financial Times that on May 10, in the wake of Osama bin Laden's killing in Abbottabad, Zardari had offered to replace Pakistan's powerful military and intelligence leadership and cut ties with militant groups. Ijaz said he was directed to craft the memo by a senior Pakistani official close to Zardari. Ijaz has implied -- and the Pakistani press has speculated -- that this official was Haqqani.
Kirby told The Cable that Mullen now acknowledges that the Ijaz memo does exist, that he did receive it -- but that he never paid any attention to it and took no follow up action.
"Adm. Mullen had no recollection of the memo and no relationship with Mr. Ijaz. After the original article appeared on Foreign Policy's website, he felt it incumbent upon himself to check his memory. He reached out to others who he believed might have had knowledge of such a memo, and one of them was able to produce a copy of it," Kirby said. "That said, neither the contents of the memo nor the proof of its existence altered or affected in any way the manner in which Adm. Mullen conducted himself in his relationship with Gen. Kayani and the Pakistani government. He did not find it at all credible and took no note of it then or later. Therefore, he addressed it with no one."
Last week, The Cable published an exclusive report on Mullen's comments about the memo. "Adm. Mullen does not know Mr. Ijaz and has no recollection of receiving any correspondence from him," Mullen's spokesman Capt. John Kirby said Nov. 8."I cannot say definitively that correspondence did not come from him -- the admiral received many missives as chairman from many people every day, some official, some not. But he does not recall one from this individual."
Ijaz shot back in an article in Pakistan's The News, in which he published extensive Blackberry Messenger conversations with the Zardari-linked Pakistani official, allegedly Haqqani. He insisted that the memo did, in fact, exist, and that it was delivered from Ijaz to Mullen through another secret go-between, this one a senior US government official.
"There can be no doubt a memorandum was drafted and transmitted to Admiral Mullen with the approval of the highest political level in Pakistan, and that the admiral received it with certainty from a source whom he trusted and who also trusted me," Ijaz wrote.
In an interview late on Wednesday afternoon, Washington time, Haqqani confirmed to The Cable that he will travel to Islamabad and has sent a letter to Zardari offering his resignation.
"At no point was I asked by you or anyone in the Pakistani government to draft a memo and at no point did I draft or deliver such a memo," Haqqani said that he had written in his letter to Zardari.
"I've been consistently vilified as being against the Pakistani military even though I have only opposed military intervention in political affairs," Haqqani said that he wrote. "It's not easy to operate under the shadow of innuendo and I have not been named by anyone so far, but I am offering to resign in the national interest and leave that to the will of the president."
Haqqani declined to comment to The Cable whether or not he played any role in the controversy surrounding the memo -- for example, discussing it with Ijaz before or after the fact, as the scandal deepened. It's widely rumored that Haqqani and Ijaz have known each other for many years.
source: Mullen confirms existence of secret memo
WASHINGTON: Former Chairman US Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Mike Mullen has confirmed receiving memo from Mansoor Ijaz but said he never paid any attention to it and took no follow up, prestigious US publication The Cable reported.
Mansoor Ijaz, US business tycoon alleged in an Oct. 10 op-ed in top UK daily Financial Times that on May 10, in the wake of Osama bin Laden's killing in Abbottabad, Zardari had offered to replace Pakistan's powerful military and intelligence leadership and cut ties with militant groups. Ijaz said he was directed to craft the memo by a senior Pakistani official close to Zardari. Ijaz has implied -- and the Pakistani press has speculated -- that this official was Haqqani.
Kirby told The Cable that Mullen now acknowledges that the Ijaz memo does exist, that he did receive it -- but that he never paid any attention to it and took no follow up action.
"Adm. Mullen had no recollection of the memo and no relationship with Mr. Ijaz. After the original article appeared on Foreign Policy's website, he felt it incumbent upon himself to check his memory. He reached out to others who he believed might have had knowledge of such a memo, and one of them was able to produce a copy of it," Kirby said. "That said, neither the contents of the memo nor the proof of its existence altered or affected in any way the manner in which Adm. Mullen conducted himself in his relationship with Gen. Kayani and the Pakistani government. He did not find it at all credible and took no note of it then or later. Therefore, he addressed it with no one."
Last week, The Cable published an exclusive report on Mullen's comments about the memo. "Adm. Mullen does not know Mr. Ijaz and has no recollection of receiving any correspondence from him," Mullen's spokesman Capt. John Kirby said Nov. 8."I cannot say definitively that correspondence did not come from him -- the admiral received many missives as chairman from many people every day, some official, some not. But he does not recall one from this individual."
Ijaz shot back in an article in Pakistan's The News, in which he published extensive Blackberry Messenger conversations with the Zardari-linked Pakistani official, allegedly Haqqani. He insisted that the memo did, in fact, exist, and that it was delivered from Ijaz to Mullen through another secret go-between, this one a senior US government official.
"There can be no doubt a memorandum was drafted and transmitted to Admiral Mullen with the approval of the highest political level in Pakistan, and that the admiral received it with certainty from a source whom he trusted and who also trusted me," Ijaz wrote.
In an interview late on Wednesday afternoon, Washington time, Haqqani confirmed to The Cable that he will travel to Islamabad and has sent a letter to Zardari offering his resignation.
"At no point was I asked by you or anyone in the Pakistani government to draft a memo and at no point did I draft or deliver such a memo," Haqqani said that he had written in his letter to Zardari.
"I've been consistently vilified as being against the Pakistani military even though I have only opposed military intervention in political affairs," Haqqani said that he wrote. "It's not easy to operate under the shadow of innuendo and I have not been named by anyone so far, but I am offering to resign in the national interest and leave that to the will of the president."
Haqqani declined to comment to The Cable whether or not he played any role in the controversy surrounding the memo -- for example, discussing it with Ijaz before or after the fact, as the scandal deepened. It's widely rumored that Haqqani and Ijaz have known each other for many years.
source: Mullen confirms existence of secret memo
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who wants a democratic government that wants a foreign military to intervene in one's own country. I think its even a violation of constitution...
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and to do that he will call on foreign military for help??
i think it was military ruler who first approved drone attack in Pakistan
it was military ruler who decided to participate in WOT along with NATO
so in wider perspective what u are getting now is just a fallout of Musharraf's policy or to be more acurate Zia's policy back in 80s
so whats the guarantee that next military regime wont bow down in front of uncle Sam
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he didnt call foreign military for help all he was expecting from USA was to put pressure on pak military not to go for coup and if you think its bad then let me tell one more bitter truth it was USA pressure due to which musharraf agreed to leave
I have some words for this Zardari, but unfortunately i can't use them here.
CHANGE is must, especially which can kick out all the parties (who supported somehow this Zardari mess) out of the government including MQM, ANP, PML-Q, JUI-F etc and also PML-N (who were also initially part of this process). May be anyone among them is Good but not worth-it just because putting Zardari crap on us.
No doubt, why Establishment supporting IK
CHANGE is must, especially which can kick out all the parties (who supported somehow this Zardari mess) out of the government including MQM, ANP, PML-Q, JUI-F etc and also PML-N (who were also initially part of this process). May be anyone among them is Good but not worth-it just because putting Zardari crap on us.
No doubt, why Establishment supporting IK
if (i hope its not true) Establishment supporting IK then IK is next Nawaz Shareef and PTI is next PML-N
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