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SEAL shirt from Bin Laden raid in Pak goes on show

whose brain? who knows? Bin Laden family refused to cooperate by sharing dental records or giving DNA sample
can be anyone or maybe him or his butler.

like I said, the act of killing him was far more extreme so the sudden change of heart in sharing his picture or "treasure trove" as claimed was confusing.

this is completely off topic, but one of the Navy SEALS who took part in the operation had a gender reassignment surgery and is now a Woman.

The fascinating thing is that he was talking about how 'effeminate' he felt all his life and he was determined to join the SEALS as it is one of the manliest things to do.

Ultimately he did have this gender reassignment surgery.

It is a fascinating look and it definitely pokes holes in a lot of stereotypes.

I hope you didn't mind this little detour into weirdsville :D keep safe :-)
 
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unfortunately his life and death will remain a mystery
we will also bring proofs and counter proofs to establish if
what about his security detail? 2 sleeping men with their families that were shot while they slept?
so much for "hiding" Bin Laden and the rest of the neighbours were "shooed" away by a telling off in Pashto by one of the SEALs who woke up to the sounds of the commotion



he was in Abbottabad or not
had he or had he not died already due to Kidney problem (Benazirs interview to David Frost)

and then there is the question about the wives of Bin Laden (why they remain quiet) that were taken into custody by Pakistanis after waking up to the fact that world's most wanted man was (allegedly) living among them

if Pakistanis were colluding or not, why didnt they challenge the American narrative if he wasnt there
why Americans didnt go beyond accusations and suspicions that Pakistani military/ ISI was sheltering him

and why suddenly Americans became so sentimental that they thought showing the dead Bin Laden was a security risk ALTHOUGH.. they did something far more drastic i.e. claimed to have killed the man!! was was more detrimental and risky? a self defeating logic or mind fck? or both?

and then the controversy about gagging rights and selling the story of the operation and the legal notices to the unnamed SEAL..

and whats more? the movie producers get the access to the SEAL team .. and the timing couldnt be more fortunate (one wonders) because apparently the original ending of the movie was planned to be that Osamaba escapes the capture/ death but "somehow" the release got "delayed" and the "actual" operation happened that "helped" the producers to make "essential" alterations


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eat what you like fellas... or cry your heart out and say it loud., Nothing comes out but truth from the White House
and those who question the American narrative should be shot on site

People tend to forget that CIA and ISI have a relationship going back to the 60s. The very fact that this op was done with surgical precision and clockwork like narrative was developed, followed by silence from both sides, leads me to not believe in what we were told that day.

Sir, the forensic material left at the site and the relatives clearly establish who it was and when he was killed. 100%.

Surely. But that material was handled by ISI, which also demolished the compound later, which in simple words means is that they are NEVER going to declassify what happened inside that compound, which means that we are NEVER going to get actual evidence to support the story we were told that day.
 
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Americans cant prove the operation killed him, because his body was thrown in the oceon. In the "oceon" hahahaha. Seriously people, this is all bs. I'm not denying his death, but I have funny feeling about all of this.
 
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You are not getting into my zone Peter. We were told those details without a shred of actual evidence to convince a critical reader. I'm not saying that it didn't happen. Im just saying that i need to see a verifiable evidence before i believe the story CIA and ISI has cooked up to be fed to the public in the US, Pakistan and other nations.

Short of forcing a microphone in their face what can we possibly do?

One of his sisters died in a Cancer hospital in the US in 2010 so they had some DNA to go by.

Osama Bin Laden's body 'identified by sister's brain' - Telegraph
 
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Short of forcing a microphone in their face what can we possibly do?

One of his sisters died in a Cancer hospital in the US in 2010 so they had some DNA to go by.

Osama Bin Laden's body 'identified by sister's brain' - Telegraph

Peter they also claimed to have carried out DNA testing at Jalalabad and ISI's forensics team was there in the compound too. OBL was treated by the American hospital in Dubai in 1999 and CIA had his DNA much before his death.
 
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Yet no ''hard evidence'' has been presented to prove OBL's death on this particular date.

American conducted DNA test on OBLs body to confirm it was him.

Even Al Qaida accepted on its website, that OBL was killed in this raid.

Pakistani govt accepted the same and they had OBL's wife in custody.

All three parties involved, accept that OBL is dead and he died in this particular SEAL raid, yet Pakistani conspiracy theories continue to live on.
 
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American conducted DNA test on OBLs body to confirm it was him.

Even Al Qaida accepted on its website, that OBL was killed in this raid.

Pakistani govt accepted the same and they had OBL's wife in custody.

All three parties involved, accept that OBL is dead and he died in this particular SEAL raid, yet Pakistani conspiracy theories continue to live on.

Precisely. All of the useful info was compartmentalized between two agencies.
 
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I hope you didn't mind this little detour into weirdsville :D keep safe :-)
I call it Mind fck

honestly I dont know where I stand on this whole affair. I have strong arguments and counter arguments against both extreme positions. both the nay sayers and the one who believe it as a Gospel truth and would chop the balls of anyone with their own teeth if they see anyone doubting them

People tend to forget that CIA and ISI have a relationship going back to the 60s. The very fact that this op was done with surgical precision and clockwork like narrative was developed, followed by silence from both sides, leads me to not believe in what we were told that day.



Surely. But that material was handled by ISI, which also demolished the compound later, which in simple words means is that they are NEVER going to declassify what happened inside that compound, which means that we are NEVER going to get actual evidence to support the story we were told that day.
there is an interview by an American author who says ISI and CIA are two scorpions in a bottle who cooperate but sting each other as well he says its the nature of the job to deceive , lie and hide things where it suits one. but still both find themselves working together time and again.

 
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Precisely. All of the useful info was compartmentalized between two agencies.

Not just two agencies, when even AL Qaida accepts that OBL was killed in this raid and promoted to Al Zwahari..why are they still doubts?

American released dozens of OBL videos that were recovered in this raid.

The pics of dead OBL might be declassified after few decades, as they are considered too sensitive/ghastly..as OBL was shot twice in the chest and once in the head and his head was blown up.

The fact is no govt in the world challenges Americans on its version of events, it is only a few individuals which ask such questions anonymously.
 
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Not just two agencies, when even AL Qaida accepts that OBL was killed in this raid and promoted to Al Zwahari..why are they still doubts?

American released dozens of OBL videos that were recovered in this raid.

The pics of dead OBL might be declassified after few decades, as they are considered too sensitive/ghastly..as OBL was shot twice in the chest and once in the head and his head was blown up.

The fact is no govt in the world challenges Americans on its version of events, it is only a few individuals which ask such questions anonymously.
Blown up?? I dont recall myself reading that anywhere --- i have read Peter Bergs Manhunt, i have No easy day but could not find time to read it yet and last but not least , the leaked abotabbad commission report by pakistan ---i have read that and tbh everwhere you look, you will find loopholes in the story --- the question is not did the raid occur that night - the question is - did obl die that night

Precisely. All of the useful info was compartmentalized between two agencies.
I hope i remember about this by morning - i will share some points from that leaked draft of abottabad commission report
 
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Surely. But that material was handled by ISI, which also demolished the compound later, which in simple words means is that they are NEVER going to declassify what happened inside that compound, which means that we are NEVER going to get actual evidence to support the story we were told that day.

Of course, it is their prerogative to handle this incident as they see fit. But it also means that the decision to keep it classified indicates either their inability or even a strategic indecision to chose between incompetence or connivance as the root causes of OBL being found where he was, which is quite understandable.

there is an interview by an American author who says ISI and CIA are two scorpions in a bottle who cooperate but sting each other as well he says its the nature of the job to deceive , lie and hide things where it suits one. but still both find themselves working together time and again.

Isn't that the normal state of affairs between all clandestine agencies?
 
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Yet no ''hard evidence'' has been presented to prove OBL's death on this particular date.
Yet no "hard evidence" has been presented to prove OBL's not dying on this particular date.
 
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Blown up?? I dont recall myself reading that anywhere --- i have read Peter Bergs Manhunt, i have No easy day but could not find time to read it yet and last but not least , the leaked abotabbad commission report by pakistan ---i have read that and tbh everwhere you look, you will find loopholes in the story --- the question is not did the raid occur that night - the question is - did obl die that night


I hope i remember about this by morning - i will share some points from that leaked draft of abottabad commission report

You should watch seal team 6 documentary by discovery channel.

As is the standard seal tactic OBL was double tapped, then shot in the head from a distance of few feet.

One thing is for sure, OBL is dead, but if not that night and then when?

If he had already died earlier, why didn't Al Qaida say something?

Why did AQ accept that OBL is dead..only after Abbottabad raid?

What about OBL's son who was killed in this raid, who's body is still in Pakistani possession or other OBL's children found in the house.. one can always run a DNA and confirm, if they are related to OBL.
 
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You should watch seal team 6 documentary by discovery channel.

As is the standard seal tactic OBL was double tapped, then shot in the head from a distance of few feet.

One thing is for sure, OBL is dead, but if not that night and then when?

If he had already died earlier, why didn't Al Qaida say something?

Why did AQ accept that OBL is dead..only after Abbottabad raid?

What about OBL's son who was killed in this raid, who's body is still in Pakistani possession or other OBL's children found in the house.. one can always run a DNA and confirm, if they are related to OBL.

Perhaps the most question in ALL of this saga:

Where is Ayman Al-Zawahiri?
 
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American conducted DNA test on OBLs body to confirm it was him.

Even Al Qaida accepted on its website, that OBL was killed in this raid.

Pakistani govt accepted the same and they had OBL's wife in custody.

All three parties involved, accept that OBL is dead and he died in this particular SEAL raid, yet Pakistani conspiracy theories continue to live on.

Osama Bin Laden is officially dead , all parties agree and his case is officially closed.
Its the details of how when and where that are murky due to contradictions , additions , retractions from the officially paraded narrative.

Now you can do your bhangi dance over their all you want
 
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