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SCS Standoff Continues

Didn't China ask Philippines to come to the table? No she wants to escalate and internationalize the disputes, begging whoever is listening to come in. She incites demonstrations and spread lies against China. Is it a way to treat another country?
The open fire now if you have the guts, she won't come to the table with you.
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China is the second strongest country in the world, economically and militarily, even the most powerful one, the US, gives her the due respects. And if other countries ignore her position they are the ones to be blame, not China.
Then, show to the wolrd some victory in battle now, dare you ??
China's position in the SCS is very clear. She claims all the shoals in the area and if any nation thinks otherwise then negotiations are possible. If anyone unilaterally takes actions and occupies these shoals actions are called for.
China's position in the Spratly is....insignificant:coffee:
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Don't be inpatient. We'll come to you.

We still don't see any o your cheap copied warship dare to challenge VN Yakhont-Shaddock missile after we rammed you ship badly :coffee:.

Maybe the VN ships are just too little to notice.
 
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With India, Viet Nam will credit back for 2 more block.

To all Chinese:

Do you really know how many time Viet Nam QUIT paying loan for China? Due to your Chinese sucks, QUIT paying China loans that the best way Viet Nam could do?

More than likely, China keep on going for Viet Nam loan and that make me think "Does China tribute back for Viet Nam today?"

Truth hurts !!!
 
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Don't be inpatient. We'll come to you.


Maybe the VN ships are just too little to notice.
No, bcz China is just too coward to face with war again .
n early March 1997, a Chinese oil rig, the Kantan III, entered the waters
between Hainan Island and the Vietnamese coast to explore for oil and
natural gas in what Beijing considered a part of its Ledong exploration
area. Vietnam, claiming the same area as part of its Block 113, protested
vigorously. After some inconclusive talks between the two countries, the oil
rig withdrew. About a year later, Vietnam again complained when a Chinese
exploration ship and two armed fishing boats
sailed near the Spratly Islands.
These vessels also withdrew without inciden
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/4502/chang.chineseenergyasiansecurity.pdf
All you can do is just runaway...and runaway :lol:
 
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Once China has secured our control over Scarborough Shoal, the next step is to destroy all Vietnamese outposts in the Spratly Island group. If Vietnam tries to resist, then we level Hanoi with artillery rockets. Last time, we killed 130,000 Vietnamese in just 28 days. This time, we should try to double that score.
 
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Didn't China ask Philippines to come to the table? No she wants to escalate and internationalize the disputes, begging whoever is listening to come in. She incites demonstrations and spread lies against China. Is it a way to treat another country?

China is the second strongest country in the world, economically and militarily, even the most powerful one, the US, gives her the due respects. And if other countries ignore her position they are the ones to be blame, not China.

China's position in the SCS is very clear. She claims all the shoals in the area and if any nation thinks otherwise then negotiations are possible. If anyone unilaterally takes actions and occupies these shoals actions are called for.

No, the Philippines is simply to protect her territory, under internationally laws.
Now no longer times a stronger country use their powers to conquer the territory of the countries are smaller, weaker. That only happened since the 20th century and before.
Today, in the civilized world of the 21st century, the world do not support any country to use the power to invade the territory of other countries.
Philippines and VIETNAM do not want to confront a rising power china, but we do not want to sit to see our territory is robbed by china.
 
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It's must be nice for Viet Nam Government send some warships to joint with Philipines Navy and regardless the disputes. Main keys are not let China keep BULLYING its neighbors.

another indian false flagger waving the vietcong's colour! What a shame!
You need to marshal vietcong's navy for the rescue of Pinoys on the double!
Good to see the concentration of pirates all on the same spot. Oh, do you forget your chests thumping fellow indian cheerleaders?

One stone 3 chickens!
 
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You have been at most an opportunistic ally. When the going gets tough your country gets going - to home. You guys ran with your tails between your leg when one of your citizen got kidnapped in Iraq. You have only sent token representation when my country is engaged in warfare so you can bleed us some. Your defence is not our responsibilty. It is yours. No one will come to your aid if shooting starts in the disputed sea. If the Chinese gets greedy and take your capital then we'll go in. But as far as those submerged rocks are concerned, you are all alone. Stop trying to drag us into your spat with the Chinese. Let me ask you, what steps have your country done for its defence. Let me guess, not much because you thought since we have a treaty we will automatically jump to save you. Nope. We will save you only if they turn you into a punching bag. But do us a favor, try to save yourselves for once, or at least make a semblance of trying.

So it appears your ownership claim on those rocks is pretty shaky. Here is an article from your newspaper:

Psst… US isn’t with Unclos
By: Rigoberto Tiglao
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:03 am | Thursday, May 10th, 2012

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It’s been awkward—even comical—for the Aquino administration to be begging the United States for arms to defend our Scarborough Shoal claim, which it declared is based on the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos): the Americans aren’t with the convention.

The US—together with Israel and Turkey—is among 34 nations that have not ratified Unclos; they therefore officially do not recognize it. State Secretary Hillary Clinton in 2009 said the US Senate would ratify it soon. Three years later, it hasn’t even scheduled a vote on it.

The US’ rejection of Unclos—ratified by 162 nations including China and Russia—in fact unmasks American foreign policy’s basic guideline: “Might is right.” The US is the sole military global superpower now, its navy dwarfing that of Russia and China combined. Why would the US allow these 162 Unclos military weaklings tell what its all-powerful navy can and cannot do, where it can or cannot go?

Two Unclos provisions illustrate this point. Article 20: “In the territorial sea, submarines and other underwater vehicles are required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag.” Would American nuclear submarines, which routinely, secretly traverse Chinese and Russian waters want that? Article 88: “The high seas shall be reserved for peaceful purposes.” But international waters make up the base of US warships, from which it projects its military power globally.

President Aquino and his officials have been banging their fists on the table complaining to the world that China is refusing to have the dispute settled by the International Tribunal for Unclos.

They’re in for a surprise: The Philippines isn’t also with Unclos—when it comes to sovereignty disputes like that on Scarborough.

The Marcos government ratified Unclos in 1984. But it did not ratify the treaty in full, declaring that it doesn’t recognize Unclos on certain issues. Guess which?

On issues of sovereignty. Our country formally filed an eight-paragraph document when it ratified Unclos, which declared that nothing in the treaty would apply to its territorial claims. Its Paragraph 4 reads: “Such signing shall not in any manner impair or prejudice the sovereignty of the Philippines over any territory over which it exercises sovereign authority, such as the Kalayaan Islands, and the waters appurtenant thereto.”

In other words, we’ve declared that we do not recognize Unclos when it comes to our territorial disputes, such as that on Scarborough. The only body that can revise that restriction is the Philippine Senate.

And what were China’s qualifications when it ratified Unclos in 1996?

On issues of sovereignty. China in its own declaration said that it “reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People’s Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.” That law declared as part of China what it called the Zhongsha Islands, which included Huangyan (Panatag to us).

In other words, both the Philippines and China—in fact most of the countries which ratified Unclos—don’t recognize the treaty when it comes to determining territorial disputes.

Didn’t they bother check what Unclos tribunal does? Of the 19 cases brought to it since 1997, nearly all were about maritime disputes, i.e., commercial vessels in some tiff with a foreign government. The only case that remotely dealt with sovereignty was about Burma’s (Myanmar) and Bangladesh’s maritime boundaries at the Bay of Bengal between the two countries.

First, Mr. Aquino makes the colossal blunder of sending a warship against Chinese fishermen, thereby militarizing the dispute, even as the vessel embarrassingly turned tail after a few days as it ran out of supplies. Then he insists that the dispute be decided by a court which, however, can’t have jurisdiction over it. This President is making us the laughing stock of the world.

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What are you talking about? We have no problem with US support now. Well I dont blame you, if Chinese like you feels that way. If you want you can send your kids to support China instead of US. Your not better than US Sec. of State. and Sec of Defense. China do not know our history. Our anger is just getting deeper inside. Did the US win WW2 by itself? of course not, it was through the help of its allies including the Philippines that as was said by the late Gen Douglas Mcarthur really helped to offset the timetable of Japan due to the gallant resistance shown by the Filipino and American soldiers, why do you think the US asked for help from its allies when it went to war with other countries? Does it mean she can't win wars alone? NO, its because it sees the importance of alliance which you do not see, don't you know how much billions of dollars the US has invested on our country, if the US don't see any importance of the Philippines then why it is always meddling with our affairs? The US see scenario here similar with what Germany and Japan did before WW2 that if imperialism will be unchecked in its earliest stage then it will embolden the agressor which is China in this case, then a bigger problem will plague the world that will require nearly every nations to act together in order to solve it. The real issue is not some tiny islands, its the sovereignity of a nation challenge and the possibility of China testing the waters of other nations ability to help and act together to stand up against China's threat. As I can see it Spratlys/Scarborough islands today, tomorrow the world, soon the sun, moon and stars :rofl:
 
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Why does China always loudly claim Scarborough Shoal under the "sovereignty" of China, but she did not dare to international courts to prove that, at the invitation of the Philippines?


You ask such a foolish question because your education system deprives you not only your independent thinking capability but also your reading capability. Sorry, you deserve the name being called.

Just spend 30 seconds to read this overview of UNCLOS:
The only exception to these provisions is made for sensitive cases involving national sovereignty. In such circumstances, the parties are obliged to submit their dispute to a conciliation commission, but they will not be bound by any decision or finding of the commission.

Overview - Convention & Related Agreements provisions

Why wasting the time? The Chinese are busy making their money, building their future, unlike the pinoy who are mostly loitering around and either have no job to do or their fortune submitted to their corrupted democracy/bureaucracy.

Dude, listen carefully: wisemen don't play the same game with fools.
 
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What are you talking about? We have no problem with US support now. Well I dont blame you, if Chinese like you feels that way. If you want you can send your kids to support China instead of US. Your not better than US Sec. of State. and Sec of Defense. China do not know our history. Our anger is just getting deeper inside. Did the US win WW2 by itself? of course not, it was through the help of its allies including the Philippines that as was said by the late Gen Douglas Mcarthur really helped to offset the timetable of Japan due to the gallant resistance shown by the Filipino and American soldiers, why do you think the US asked for help from its allies when it went to war with other countries? Does it mean she can't win wars alone? NO, its because it sees the importance of alliance which you do not see, don't you know how much billions of dollars the US has invested on our country, if the US don't see any importance of the Philippines then why it is always meddling with our affairs? The US see scenario here similar with what Germany and Japan did before WW2 that if imperialism will be unchecked in its earliest stage then it will embolden the agressor which is China in this case, then a bigger problem will plague the world that will require nearly every nations to act together in order to solve it. The real issue is not some tiny islands, its the sovereignity of a nation challenge and the possibility of China testing the waters of other nations ability to help and act together to stand up against China's threat. As I can see it Spratlys/Scarborough islands today, tomorrow the world, soon the sun, moon and stars :rofl:

You kicks out US navy, and US returns with the same kind:
Navy to Stop Recruiting Filipino Nationals : Defense: The end of the military base agreement with the Philippines will terminate the nearly century-old program.

The Navy says it will stop recruiting Filipino nationals Dec. 31, ending a unique program that each year afforded about 400 of the brightest young men in the Philippines an opportunity to escape grinding poverty by joining the service.

Recruiting will cease both because the military base agreement with the Philippines is ending and because U.S. armed forces are scaling down, said Navy spokeswoman Lt. Deborah Carson in an interview Wednesday from Washington.

Philippine Enlistment Program | Navy to Stop Recruiting Filipino Nationals : Defense: The end of the military base agreement with the Philippines will terminate the nearly century-old program. - Los Angeles Times

No use now even you whining your guts out! You are on your own.

China should be in full charge of SCS securities, to supress rouge countries such as Vietnam and the Philippines from making trouble. BTW, the Philippines only claim the shoal in very later years, and made it more pronounced in 1990s.
 
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