Scientific revolution in Iran!

[below_freezing]

I think you better check your facts it's China that is currently buying up much of the 3rd worlds resources as of late.

What a joke! The US still consumes more energy per capita, consumes more food per capita, and produces more garbage per capita than China, and had a higher absolute pollution/energy/resource consumption for the past 100 years except for the most recent 5.

 

[Nomenclature]

People are hoping for a China like evolution instead of another revolution. When I say the mullahs need to go, I mean an evolution within the regime where nationalism replaces emphasis on Islam and backwardness. In Iran, believe it or not, the mullahs are on their way out. Ahmadinejad is the first of the nationalist-Islamist leaders and many many more will come. Each one will be more nationalist than the previous one.

Just to give you an example, Nejad wanted to celbrate Norouz in Persepolis, the ancient ceremonial capital of the first Persian dynasty that conquered most of the known world at the time. This shocked almost all Iranians. The mullahs stopped him and many raised their voice. Nejad has been trying to stop the religious police as well but to no avail. He is still a mofo but he's the start of smtg new within the regime.

I don't know enough about the Iranian politics to judge whether the nationalist trend you described is gaining momentum, but I do believe the 21st century will be a far more interesting time to live through if Iranians can rediscover more of their Persian identity, if Egyptians can stop pretending they're Arabs and if Chinese can realize what a repulsive Western ideology Communism is and kick all the Marxist crap out.

 

[Thomas]

What a joke! The US still consumes more energy per capita, consumes more food per capita, and produces more garbage per capita than China, and had a higher absolute pollution/energy/resource consumption for the past 100 years except for the most recent 5.

Those who celebrate political revolutions instead of scientific revolutions know 1 fact very well:

3rd world countries can go through 100 political revolutions and still be dirt poor banana republics that won't defend their resources from the West.

I think you better check your facts it's China that is currently buying up much of the 3rd worlds resources as of late.

And yet it is China aspiring to buy up the worlds resources. And yes the U.S. currently is the largest consumer. The worlds largest economy will always be the largest consumer. So eventually when China does become the largest economy, and consuming the bulk of the worlds resources. What will your defense be then?

 

[below_freezing]

Better to buy than to steal and "buy" with useless electronic dollars

US is just a mafia that takes protection money.

I don't know enough about the Iranian politics to judge whether the nationalist trend you described is gaining momentum, but I do believe the 21st century will be a far more interesting time to live through if Iranians can rediscover more of their Persian identity, if Egyptians can stop pretending they're Arabs and if Chinese can realize what a repulsive Western ideology Communism is and kick all the Marxist crap out.

As opposed to the KMT's theory invented by a Japanese or "Confucianism"

Heres an article you may find interesting, don't get a heart attack

http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/free/1/1649666.shtml

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

And yet it is China aspiring to buy up the worlds resources. And yes the U.S. currently is the largest consumer. The worlds largest economy will always be the largest consumer. So eventually when China does become the largest economy, and consuming the bulk of the worlds resources. What will your defense be then?

Don't you see that China is ahead in the green technology?

Of course, we know that our 1.34 billion population would become a heavy burden to the World's natural resources, but we are also trying to become more responsible to reduce our overall consumption, but our comsumption per capita is still very low.

 

[below_freezing]

Don't you see that China is ahead in the green technology?

Of course, we know that our 1.34 billion population would become a heavy burden to the World's natural resources, but we are also trying to become more responsible to reduce our overall consumption, but our comsumption per capita is still very low.

Don't you get the theory of the whites?

Only whites and their house slaves get to use resources at a high rate. Coloreds don't, they deserve poverty and starvation (to make it easier to enslave them). In the American south, the house slaves of plantation owners ate better than the field slaves and sometimes even managed the field slaves.

Of course the white colonial slavemasters told the field slaves: you are actually happy here. Otherwise, you'd be back in Africa, and starving to death! And some field slaves believe them!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Don't you get the theory of the whites?

Only whites and their house slaves get to use resources at a high rate. Coloreds don't, they deserve poverty and starvation (to make it easier to enslave them). In the American south, the house slaves of plantation owners ate better than the field slaves and sometimes even managed the field slaves.

Of course the white colonial slavemasters told the field slaves: you are actually happy here. Otherwise, you'd be back in Africa, and starving to death! And some field slaves believe them!

Yeah, check the Anglo-Saxon mission.

They believe this planet solely belongs to them, and the non-white people should be wiped out.

Project Camelot | The Anglo-Saxon Mission

 

[Thomas]

Don't you see that China is ahead in the green technology?

Of course, we know that our 1.34 billion population would become a heavy burden to the World's natural resources, but we are also trying to become more responsible to reduce our overall consumption, but our comsumption per capita is still very low.

that is because your infrastructure is not currently built up relative to your population.

 

[Thomas]

Yeah, check the Anglo-Saxon mission.

They believe this planet solely belongs to them, and the non-white people should be wiped out.

Project Camelot | The Anglo-Saxon Mission

There are racists all over the world including some on this forum. You can identify them by all the "white man" and IQ references. Do a search of their posts and you will get pages and pages of them using such terms.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

There are racists all over the world including some on this forum. You can identify them by all the "white man" and IQ references. Do a search of their posts and you will get pages and pages of them using such terms.

This hideous truth was probably revealed by some white people with good conscience.

But your elites are pretty much as appalling as it described, and they are indeed the mastermind behind this Anglo-Saxon mission.

I know a lot of white people who are indeed very nice human beings, but these people have no power in their society.

 

[omglolwtf]

Trust me, when the mullahs go, Iran will become another south Korea within a decade.
3 million barrels of oil will be increased to around 7-9 million within a decade.
Gas exports will start.
foreign investment will come in like crazy. Iran has an extremely educated pop'n compared to other Islamic countries (except Turkey which is the same as Iran) and its people are very liberal and capitalist and foreign companies will see this as an opportunity.

When the econ is growing under 4 rounds of sanctions, just think how much faster it can grow without the sanctions, much needed foreign tech and investment, higher oil and gas sales etc...
Iran will boom if the mullahs go.

From my experience, it's mainly the far left liberal Iranians, including those in exile (be it forced or voluntary) who are of this opinion, thus the whole revolution lol. I'm personally not in favour of the current Iranian regime, as in my opinion all the so called 'Islamic' revolution of Iran has done is that it has managed to spread its crap over each of its borders and stirred trouble in each of its neighbours, especially Afghanistan.

Iran has only been surviving due to its oil and gas wealth, which is the main reason it's government has been able to educate the population. However infrastructure wise Iran lags behind even Pakistan in a lot of areas. If Pakistan was rich in oil and gas as Iran is, given the sanctions etc, it would have still been far ahead of where Iran is currently.

Pakistan did after-all develop and test its nuclear weapons amidst massive economic and military sanctions. Iran if anything is over-rated.

 

[Unbeliever]

What do you mean by the Egyptians' 'moving backwards' ? They no longer be a lamb?

I mean the referendum they past a couple of weeks ago in Egypt.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/world/middleeast/21egypt.html?ref=world

The didn't abolish article 2 and also they didn't leave enough time for liberal democrats and secular groups to organize thereby greatly strengthening the Muslim Brotherhood and the old Mubarak party. There are likely in for more suffering and more decades of oppression and brutality. For Christians, gays and of course women it will likely be even worse than before.

I hope this won't come true but indicators are bad.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/middleeast/25egypt.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ref=middleeast


@Abii: I have a question for you and I would ask you for a short answer.

Do you think you government striving for nuclear weapons is helpful or harmful for the development of your country in a better direction away from the theocratic mayhem? Is that the best use of the oil money in your opinion? If not were would YOU (personally) invest it in?

Just asking out of general curiosity and to get a sense of were you are coming from..

 

[Abii]

From my experience, it's mainly the far left liberal Iranians, including those in exile (be it forced or voluntary) who are of this opinion, thus the whole revolution lol. I'm personally not in favour of the current Iranian regime, as in my opinion all the so called 'Islamic' revolution of Iran has done is that it has managed to spread its crap over each of its borders and stirred trouble in each of its neighbours, especially Afghanistan.

Iran has only been surviving due to its oil and gas wealth, which is the main reason it's government has been able to educate the population. However infrastructure wise Iran lags behind even Pakistan in a lot of areas. If Pakistan was rich in oil and gas as Iran is, given the sanctions etc, it would have still been far ahead of where Iran is currently.

Pakistan did after-all develop and test its nuclear weapons amidst massive economic and military sanctions. Iran if anything is over-rated.

lol
I would love to know where Pak is ahead of IRan infrastructure wise apart from the nuclear thing. Many parts of Iran are more developed than some European countries for crying out loud. Go check out the Iran pictures thread if you don't believe me. Stop smoking the good stuff mate.

Also oil accounts for a large amount of our exports but it's only 10 percent of our GDP. Our nominal GDP last year was 488 billion and our oil export was 50 billion. Also Afghanistan is messed up for the same reason Pakistan is messed up, the Taliban. You are the most delusional human being on earth. Iran's allies in Afghanistan are the Northern Alliance who are the most progressive group in AFG. The Taliban who you guys supported, are more azz backward than neanderthals.

If Iran was developing b/c of oil, than how come countries who have 5 times more oil than Iran aren't developing? Iran produces what, 3 million barrels a day? KSA just exports 9-10 million barrels a day! Iraq exports the same as Iran and the country is more underdeveloped than Afghanistan. They have 4 hours of electricity a day.

 

[Abii]

I mean the referendum they past a couple of weeks ago in Egypt.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/world/middleeast/21egypt.html?ref=world

The didn't abolish article 2 and also they didn't leave enough time for liberal democrats and secular groups to organize greatly, thereby greatly strengthening the Muslim Brotherhood and the old Mubarak party. There are likely in for more suffering and more decades of oppression and brutality. For Christians, gays and of course women it will likely be even worse than before.

I hope this won't come true but indicators are bad.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/middleeast/25egypt.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ref=middleeast


@Abii: I have a question for you and I would ask you for a short answer.

Do you think you government striving for nuclear weapons is helpful or harmful for the development of your country in a better direction away from the theocratic mayhem? Is that the best use of the oil money in your opinion? If not were would YOU (personally) invest it in?

Just asking out of general curiosity and to get a sense of were you are coming from..

You are assuming that Iran is after nukes! This is absolute none sense! The Americans reported that Iran stopped its weapons program in 03. Also checkout the military spending and compare to education spending. It's almost half of what Iran spends on education!!! compare this to Pakistan for example. Pak spends 7 times more on its military than it does on education. Right here you know what the Iranian regime wants for Iran's future.

Iran needs energy and it needs it now. Burning gas and oil is the most stupid and idiotic move Iran can make. It's basically burning liquid gold.

1) Iran can use these raw nat resources for export.

2) Iran started its nuke program during the times of the shah. BILLIONS HAVE ALREADY been spent. We already have a functioning reactor and another one is being completed in Arak. Western countries have tens of nuke reactors. Even oil and nat resource rich countries like Canada, US and Russia.

3) Iran doesn't have much water and building dams can only give so much electricity.

4) solar energy is extremely expensive and its output is no where near the output of nuclear energy.

MOST IMPORTANTLY however is the fact that Iran has already spent money on the nuke program. There is no turning back when the money is spent. Western countries need to stop believing every idiotic claim made by Israel and the neo cons in the US.

 

[American Pakistani]

Well Iran for sure is heading for a bright future, as for Pakistan, we were ahead & developing rapidly but can't say for now as we are moving backward. I wish Pakistan learn lessons from countries like Iran & China.