Scientific evidence that Hindu civilization is more than 15,000 years old

[Shankranthi]

Entirely wrong. Google Hindu temples in Pakistan.

lol..... I have. Multiple times.

Those that stand today look like public toilets. Only a pakistani muslim can take pride in them.

Most Hindus will feel contempt and disgust.

 

[untitled]

it was a difficult language to master. Those who mastered it was highly respected.

I am not sure if you understand how we humans learn to talk. We can master any language especially if taught from birth. Your claim only proves that Sansikirit was an elitist language and people had a choice when it came to learning other languages. Languages they would prefer to speak in or Sanskrit lessons were not available to all

Those that stand today look like public toilets.

Then stop searching for abandoned temples. All abandoned buildings look like that.

 

[Dubious]

Sūrya-siddhānta text by employing sophisticated data of modern astronomy.

dude just take the paper and do a radiocarbon test on it and you will find the approximate time period that paper existed! Or do it on the ink!

https://www.loc.gov/preservation/scientists/projects/radiocarbon.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102022.htm

Here is the "Table of Content" or Index of the Surya Siddhantha. Decide for yourself.

1. The mean motion of the Planets
2. True places of the Planets
3. Direction, Place and Time
4. The Moon and Eclipses
5. The Sun and Eclipses
6. The projections of Eclipses
7. Planetary Conjunctions
8. Of the Stars
9. Risings and Settings
10. The moon’s risings and Settings
11. Certain malignant aspects of Sun and Moon
12. Cosmology, Geography and Dimensions of Creation


These are the DATA the Surya Siddhantha gives,

1. The average length of the tropical year as 365.2421756 days, which is only 1.4 seconds shorter than the modern value of 365.2421904 days.
2. The average length of the sidereal year, the actual length of the Earth’s revolution around the Sun, as 365.2563627 days, which is virtually the same as the modern value of 365.25636305 days.
3. Surya Siddhanta also states the motion, and diameters of the planets! For instance the estimate for the diameter of Mercury is 3,008 miles, an error of less than 1% from the currently accepted diameter of 3,032 miles. It also estimates the diameter of Saturn as 73,882 miles, which again has an error of less than 1% from the currently accepted diameter of 74,580.
4. Aside from inventing the decimal system, zero and standard notation (giving the ancient Indians the ability to calculate trillions ) the Surya Siddhanta also contains the roots of Trigonometry.
5. It uses sine (jya), cosine (kojya or “perpendicular sine”) and inverse sine (otkram jya) for the first time.
6. “Objects fall on earth due to a force of attraction by the earth, therefore the earth, the planets, constellations, the moon and the sun are held in orbit due to this attraction”. (this was also discussed in Prasnopanishad)
7. The Surya Siddhanta also goes into a detailed discussion about time cycles and that time flows differently in different circumstances, the roots of relativity.
8. It represents mathematical formulae to calculate the orbits, diameters, predict their future locations and cautions that the minor corrections are necessary over time to the formulae for the various astronomical bodies.

Here are some more FACTS from the Surya Siddhantha,

1. Surya Siddhanta states that the sidereal period of moon is 27.322 which compares to 27.32166 in modern calculations.
2. For Mercury it states the period to be 87.97 (modern W: 87.969), Venus 224.7 (W: 224.701), Mars as 687 (W: 686.98), Jupiter as 4,332.3 (W: 4,332.587) and Saturn to be 10,765.77 days (W: 10,759.202).
3. The Surya Siddhanta also estimates the diameters of the planets. The estimate for the diameter of Mercury is 3,008 miles, an error of less than 1% from the currently accepted diameter of 3,032 miles.
4. It also estimates the diameter of Saturn as 73,882 miles, which again has an error of less than 1% from the currently accepted diameter of 74,580.
5. Its estimate for the diameter of Mars is 3,772 miles, which has an error within 11% of the currently accepted diameter of 4,218 miles.
6. It also estimated the diameter of Venus as 4,011 miles and Jupiter as 41,624 miles, which are roughly half the currently accepted values, 7,523 miles and 88,748 miles, respectively.

Could this Surya just be writing an account of what is known/ what he heard/ what he experimentally figured?
How sure are that the planet positions he wrote and what not served his time and were not a documented record?

 

[Shankranthi]

I am not sure if you understand how we humans learn to talk. We can master any language especially if taught from birth. Your claim only proves that Sansikirit was an elitist language and people had a choice when it came to learn other languages. Languages they would prefer to speak in

Sanskrit comes from Sams-Krta. It means language that is Perfected and pure. Its impure form is called Prakrit.

So the PURE form of the local language was Sanskrit. The language used by the masses was Prakrit which is what the majority of buddhists texts are written in.

A person who gains mastery over his local language, both in grammar, usage, pronunciation, roots, words, format etc becomes a sanskrit speaker.

Its something like the difference between speaking the stiff upper life british english and the slangs and lingo that the public speak. (a crude comparison for understanding sake)

So does British english become an "elitist language" ? Or does it become the language of the well educated ?

Then stop searching for abandoned temples. All abandoned buildings look like that.

Nope, I have seen pictures of real Hindu temples in paksitan and its deplorable.

Why don't you post some pics to prove me wrong ?

 

[Shankranthi]

dude just take the paper and do a radiocarbon test on it and you will find the approximate time period that paper existed! Or do it on the ink!

https://www.loc.gov/preservation/scientists/projects/radiocarbon.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102022.htm

That would only give the date of the book, it does not provide the date when that knowledge was discovered.

Could this Surya just be writing an account of what is known/ what he heard/ what he experimentally figured?
How sure are that the planet positions he wrote and what not served his time and were not a documented record?

That is exactly what it is. A record of what was known at the time and how to calculate the motions of heavenly bodies.

And back then, for starters there where two pole star, both in the south and in the north.

 

[El Sidd]

Any language that is so sophisticated cant be ancient!

Explain please

 

[Shankranthi]

Any language that is so sophisticated cant be ancient! Ancient languages - you can search it up were as simple as it gets...

You are free to believe what you want.

The Fact is that Surya Siddhanta is written in perfect sanskrit and it dates back to 16,000 years.

 

[Dubious]

That would only give the date of the book, it does not provide the date when that knowledge was discovered.

Neither does OP!

That is exactly what it is. A record of what was known at the time and how to calculate the motions of heavenly bodies.

And back then, for starters there where two pole star, both in the south and in the north

So if this is a compilation of what was known....how does that make hindu civilization 15000 yrs old? Like I said for all we know he extrapolated his knowledge to the past like how people extrapolate their understandings to big bang time...doesnt mean the scientist researching big bang are as old as big bang!

You are free to believe what you want.

The Fact is that Surya Siddhanta is written in perfect sanskrit and it dates back to 16,000 years.

Why cant you date it like other people date pages/ ink and whatnot!

Explain please

early man was a simpleton...complex system was deiced when there was a need to do so...

 

[Shankranthi]

Neither does OP!

lol.... did you even bother to read the post ?

So if this is a compilation of what was known....how does that make hindu civilization 15000 yrs old? Like I said for all we know he extrapolated his knowledge to the past like how people extrapolate their understandings to big bang time...doesnt mean the scientist researching big bang are as old as big bang!

WOW ...... so your theory is that the author of that book was a super computer who also had a vaste data base of star maps and know complex maths and wrote this book as a monumental effort in committing fraud for no understandable reason.

Sounds legit.

Why cant you date it like other people date pages/ ink and whatnot!

Because it talks about a time line that is older than the written medium.

 

[El Sidd]

early man was a simpleton...complex system was deiced when there was a need to do so..

Not really. But what do you mean by early man?

 

[Rajput battalion]

i studied Sanskrit in high school . now i can die peacefully

 

[Dubious]

WOW ...... so your theory is that the author of that book was a super computer who also had a vaste data base of star maps and know complex maths and wrote this book as a monumental effort in committing fraud for no understandable reason.

Sounds legit.

Super computer? Nope...Just the previous generation also used old log tables which we use a calculator for.
The previous century saw scientific achievements without any super computers...

How is it committing fraud when one is tasked to compile knowledge?

You are free to believe what you want.

The Fact is that Surya Siddhanta is written in perfect sanskrit and it dates back to 16,000 years.

It is not a fact until and unless SCIENTIFIC evidence shows so...outside india speculations is not called Science!

Because it talks about a time line that is older than the written medium.

So, if it talks about an older time, how does it prove that hinduism is from that older time? Today scientists talk about big bang, do they belong to that time?

 

[Skies]

What is the Sansikirit word for a positron?


Who was the first Prophet?

Adam

 

[Shankranthi]

Super computer? Nope...Just the previous generation also used old log tables which we use a calculator for.
The previous century saw scientific achievements without any super computers...

How is it committing fraud when one is tasked to compile knowledge?

It is not a fact until and unless SCIENTIFIC evidence shows so...outside india speculations is not called Science!

So, if it talks about an older time, how does it prove that hinduism is from that older time? Today scientists talk about big bang, do they belong to that time?

Read the post to understand it before attempting to discredit it. lol.

Log Tables ? :cheesy?

Who is tasked with "compile knowledge" ? what kind of knowledge ? where is it compiled ? HOW is it compiled ? WHERE is it kept ?

Just let me know how this conspiracy theory starts and end.

 

[Dubious]

Who is tasked with "compile knowledge" ? what kind of knowledge ? where is it compiled ? HOW is it compiled ? WHERE is it kept ?

These are questions you should be asking instead of digesting pseudo science!
My questions are valid....How does his writing xyz make us believe hindu civilization is more than abc years?

Just let me know how this conspiracy theory starts and end.

When fail to answer hide behind the conspiracy curtain