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Only a Brain damage idiot will make the mistake of saying and believing that the Quran does NOT teaches humans about science. Quit your uneducated rants please.

Peace

How come then the places where Quran is studied day and night, are the same places where 100% students are brain damaged idiots.

You my dear sir are barking up the wrong tree, shooting the messenger.


peace

You are talking about one century of colonialism, before that Mekkah gave the impetus to islamic sciences, since the avenue of the prophet Mohammad. So, the darkness seems to be in the beholders mind not in reality.

Here is something to meditate on:

[video=youtube;lpQAYil4nsU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpQAYil4nsU[video]

[video=youtube;FzhgIQiA4x4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzhgIQiA4x4[video]

I'll watch the videos. Thanks.

But for your information, Makkah was NEVER colonized by Europeans.

Get out of this false reverence where the first thing you are doing is murdering history.


Read bhai. Read.

I asked you to tell me average distance of famous scientists from Islamic period.

And you ran away like a little birdie.


That was a serious question.


peace
 
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Koran talks about all universal phenomena in general terms and advices for pursuing the matter by studying them in a scientific way.

When you talk about Abrahamic religions , do not put Islam with them, since the fact that most star names are Arabic post Islam is does not fit the label.
Please read post #33 again...

1.Darwin's Theory... Men evolved from Ape like creatures.

2.Astronomical Theory... Earth is Round/Spherical in Shape and revolves around the sun along with other planets and rotate on Its axis.

Show where in Koran It talks about these two theories and then I'll show you where the exact opposite of these two have been written.
 
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1.Darwin's Theory... Men evolved from Ape like creatures.

2.Astronomical Theory... Earth is Round/Spherical in Shape and revolves around the sun along with other planets and rotate on Its axis.

Show where in Koran It talks about these two theories and then I'll show you where the exact opposite of these two have been written.

Quran says earth is round:
Allegation that the Quran says the earth is flat
Regarding the allegation which is commonly made against the Quran, where websites and youtube videos allege the Quran says the earth is flat. The Quran does not say the world is flat.

Once again the allegation:

The Quran says that Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet. This gives an indication that the earth is flat. Does this not contradict established modern science?

1. Earth made as a carpet

The question refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh:
"And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 71, Verse 19

But the sentence in the above verse is not complete. It continues in the next verse, explaining the previous verse. It says: "That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads." The Holy Quran, Chapter 71, Verse 20

A similar message is repeated in Surah TaHa:

"He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels)...." The Holy Quran, Chapter 20, Verse 53

The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Quran rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.

2. Carpet can also be spread on other than an absolute flat surface

Not a single verse of the Quran says that the earth is flat. The Quran only compares the earth’s crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth. It can easily be demonstrated by taking a huge model of the earth’s globe covering it with a carpet.

Carpet is generally put on a surface, which is not very comfortable to walk on. The Quran describes the earth crust as a carpet, without which human beings would not be able to survive because of the hot, fluid and hostile environment beneath it. The Quran is thus not only logical, it is mentioning a scientific fact that was discovered by geologists centuries later.

3. Earth has been spread out

Similarly, the Quran says in several verses that the earth has been spread out.

"And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!" The Holy Quran, Chapter 51, Verse 48

Similarly the Quran also mentions in several other verses that the earth is an expanse:

"Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse. And the mountains as pegs?" The Holy Quran, Chapter 78, Verse 6-7

None of these verses of the Quran contain even the slightest implication that the earth is flat. It only indicates that the earth is spacious and the reason for this spaciousness of the earth is mentioned. The Quran says:

"O My servants who believe! truly. spacious is My Earth: therefore serve ye Me –(And Me alone)!"

The Holy Quran, Chapter 29, Verse 56
Therefore none can give the excuse, that he could not do good and was forced to do evil because of the surroundings and circumstances.

4. Earth is geospherical in shape

The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Quran, Chapter 79, Verse 30

The "dahu" in the Arabic Language means to extend and even out. It is said: "daha" the thing; "yad'hu dahwan". These terms can mean he either evened out and extended it or he threw it and rolled it. It is also said: "the rain daha the stones from the face of the earth," which means it rolled it and washed it away. It is also said: "The horse passed by yad'hu dahwan," which means he is beating his foot on the ground and yad'hu its sand. Also, the ostrich's mad'hi means its laying of its eggs, and "ad'hiha" is the nest where its chicks are born.

So as we clearly see, all of the above Arabic words that are derived from "daha" mean:
1- To extend.
2- To roll.
3- To even out.
4- Causing to become egg-shaped or creating, making or producing eggs (see the ostrich's mad'hi example above).

The meanings all derive from the root word in arabic, there is nothing wrong with applying all the meanings especially amazing in this situation seeing as they are all true. Arabic is a rich language and words usually have more then one meaning

The Arabic word dahaha in Noble Verse 79:30 above did have multiple meanings and uses. One of them was when one refers to an ostrich egg. Another was when referring to making something extended, spread out, stretched and/or expanded. This is an example of how Allah Almighty uses scientific notions in the Noble Quran when He talked about how He created certain things. He gave words that had multiple meanings and interpretations to them to make the Noble Quran truly be for all times and all places, and show it has deeper meanings. The meanings unravel more and more as scientific discoveries increase

The shape of the earth being similar to an oblate spheroid [ Also according to Wikipedia: "The Earth's shape is very close to an oblate spheroid—a rounded shape with a bulge around the equator—although the precise shape (the geoid) varies from this by up to 100 metres (327 ft)."

Eggs can be described as prolate spheroids, ovate spehroids or oblate spheroids. The fact is the word used in the Quran has particular root link to an ostrich egg

We are specifically observing an Ostrich egg which does resemble an Oblate Spheroid and NOT Prolate Spheroid. More over technical labeling is irrelevant since these are invented modern names that we ascribe to the earth. How would it make sense for God to describe the earth as an 'Oblate spheroid' 1400 years ago? Even if God were to describe the Earth as simply 'round' it would be incorrect. Describing the Earth as resembling an ostrich egg is very significant and precise as it was not only unique at the time but is still accurate and visually relevant

Thus its not just a case of bad translation, the words in arabic have multiple meanings and all cant be used at once however deeper analysis do show that all the meanings are accurate. This however is not likely to convince the non muslim who most probably thinks the muslims are stretching it abit and using words they want to use, which is their choice and is fair enough. But to say the verses are irrelevant is incorrect, they certainly have some merit


Thus the allegation is untrue, the Quran and modern established science are in perfect harmony.

And please if you prefer videos, check out the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HR5FcRDPbg&feature=related


Why does the Quran not go into detail about the crust?

The Quran is a book of science. The Quran does not need to go into detail about the crust, all we have to do is show that what it is saying does not go against established science. If the Quran gave scientific measurements and details about every little issue, it would be a million times bigger then it is and not be fit the the purpose it was revealed.

The description given was emphasising a certain point regarding the way the surface of the earth is vast and spread out, for which it uses the term carpet. This is clear from the context provided. The Quran then goes onto clarify the actual shape of the earth as being egg shaped. Both are clear, and not against established science. So if you read the whole Quran, and the particular verses in question it will be clear to you that in one part the surface is being referred to and in the other the shape of the earth is given, both put together or looked at seperatly are correct. Simple deduction will lead you to this.

The verses did not need to go into great deal about the intimate details because as i said it is not a book of science. The descriptions and words were made so they would be easy for the people of the time to understand, and be easy for us to understand today. This again is clear by virtue of the fact that the verses do not contradict any established scientific fact.

There is an allegation that the Quran copied from the greeks regarding this issue for some reason, we may aswell look at this claim even though there is no real evidence to support this allegation

Around 250 BC, the Greek mathematician Eratosthenes came to the conclusion that the earth was spherical. The actual fact however based on scienctific research is that the earths shape is oblate spheroid, which is a rotationally symmetric ellipsoid having a polar axis shorter than the diameter of the equatorial circle. Hence the earth is not a sphere, as was put forward by the greeks.

If what the anti islamists say is true, and Muhammad wrote the Quran and copied the greeks - why would he not actually copy what they said? I mean to say, surely he would also have written the earth is a sphere shape. In actual fact if we look at the Quran, it states the shape of the earh is egg shaped and not a sphere. The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Quran, Chapter 79, Verse 30

The shape of an egg being oblate spheroid, just like the earth. This clearly proves that the Quran did not copy from the greeks, because if it had it would have said the same thing, and not corrected the mistake the greeks had made. This information is not from the greeks, but is from the creator himself.


Darwin isnt God .. he can be and is wrong... just bcoz you strech your neck doesnt mean tht after a few years later your genes will transform and ur kids will have strenched necks!
 
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Only a Brain damage idiot will make the mistake of saying and believing that the Quran does NOT teaches humans about science. Quit your uneducated rants please.

Peace

Quran does not really teaches science, as science is an evolving and quite large entity. Rather Quran asks us to go out in the world and explore science on our own...thats the difference.
 
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Darwin isnt God .. he can be and is wrong... just bcoz you strech your neck doesnt mean tht after a few years later your genes will transform and ur kids will have strenched necks!

"The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment."
—Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, 1993
http://www.webcitation.org/mainframe.php

Some quotes from Koran.

Qur'an 15:19: والارض مددناها والقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل شئ موزون
Qur'an 20:53: الذي جعل لكم الارض مهدا وسلك لكم فيها سبلا وانزل من السماء ماء فاخرجنا به ازواجا من نبات شتى
Qur'an 43:10: الذي جعل لكم الارض مهدا وجعل لكم فيها سبلا لعلكم تهتدون
Qur'an 50:7: والارض مددناها والقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل زوج بهيج
Qur'an 51:48: والارض فرشناها فنعم الماهدون
Qur'an 71:19: والله جعل لكم الارض بساطا
Qur'an 78:6: الم نجعل الارض مهادا
Qur'an 79:30: والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

Now the Interesting part.

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Either You are wrong or Koran is wrong Along with Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia.

Carpets

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Earth

Blue-Marble.jpg


Turn a carpet into Earth's shape without tampering it and the primary condition should remain keeping the carpet spread out.

You have stirred enough BS here... I guess this is enough for the Round Earth Part.

I won't punish you on Darwin part... now go and shove down the hole you brought this explanation from.
 
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The Persian had always been the shining light in the science and technology. Today we have started to wake up.

If our Iranian brother and sisters from aborad came back and we reduced our brain drain. Imagine what we could be.

This mullah regime needs to go and Persian glory needs to come back.
 
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http://www.webcitation.org/mainframe.php

Some quotes from Koran.

Qur'an 15:19: والارض مددناها والقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل شئ موزون
Qur'an 20:53: الذي جعل لكم الارض مهدا وسلك لكم فيها سبلا وانزل من السماء ماء فاخرجنا به ازواجا من نبات شتى
Qur'an 43:10: الذي جعل لكم الارض مهدا وجعل لكم فيها سبلا لعلكم تهتدون
Qur'an 50:7: والارض مددناها والقينا فيها رواسي وانبتنا فيها من كل زوج بهيج
Qur'an 51:48: والارض فرشناها فنعم الماهدون
Qur'an 71:19: والله جعل لكم الارض بساطا
Qur'an 78:6: الم نجعل الارض مهادا
Qur'an 79:30: والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

Now the Interesting part.

Verse_2-144.gif


Either You are wrong or Koran is wrong Along with Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia.

Carpets

4675954-Carpets_hanging_on_the_kasbah_wall_Essaouira.jpg


Earth

Blue-Marble.jpg


Turn a carpet into Earth's shape without tampering it and the primary condition should remain keeping the carpet spread out.

You have stirred enough BS here... I guess this is enough for the Round Earth Part.

I won't punish you on Darwin part... now go and shove down the hole you brought this explanation from.
don't post quran in here edit this immediately! @WebMaster @Awesome if some troll abuses than you are to blame.
 
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don't post quran in here edit this immediately! @WebMaster @Awesome if some troll abuses than you are to blame.

Why does the Quran says something different or r these incomplete quotes???:what:

If u think the real Quran says something different then why don't u urself prove that guy wrong by bring in the true version along with explanation n clarify it once n for all...:)
 
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Why does the Quran says something different or r these incomplete quotes???:what:

If u think the real Quran says something different then why don't u urself prove that guy wrong by bring in the true version along with explanation n clarify it once n for all...:)
ok man i am a "hafiz e quran" alhamdulillah,which means i have learned quran by heart so all the quotes from quran he gave r exact and the last one والارض بعد ذلك دحاها says,translation :"And He (Allah) Made The Earth Egg-Shaped"(may allah forgive me if i have made any mistake)so there u go.
 
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How come then the places where Quran is studied day and night, are the same places where 100% students are brain damaged idiots.

You my dear sir are barking up the wrong tree, shooting the messenger.


peace

Its because you only take falsehood as facts, Get out of this false reverence where the first thing you are doing is murdering history.

Peace
 
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ok man i am a "hafiz e quran" alhamdulillah,which means i have learned quran by heart so all the quotes from quran he gave r exact and the last one والارض بعد ذلك دحاها says,translation :"And He (Allah) Made The Earth Egg-Shaped"(may allah forgive me if i have made any mistake)so there u go.

That is very good. It is an acomplishment in itself.

What do you do now ? like as in profession ?
@DARKY

You have questions, please feel free to ask me. don't play the right left game. Ask simple and straight questions and I will try to answer it all.

Then, I will ask you people 2 questions, which I hope you will answer.
 
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How come then the places where Quran is studied day and night, are the same places where 100% students are brain damaged idiots.

You my dear sir are barking up the wrong tree, shooting the messenger.


peace




Hi,

I thought you knew it----. It is a lack of character---paks cannot understand the qura'an---no matter what they do. They will never be able to----they may recite the qura'an right to left or left to right a 100 times a day---. They want to discuss the intricacies of the belief----whence they can't even understand the BASIC FUNDAMENTALS OF LIVING.

They don't even know that they are blinded----they are made to believe that the things they are doing is what Allah wants the most---and sadly those are the things Allah cares the least about----.

Islam is a religion that was and is based on providing basic fundamental civil liberties to the human beings first and foremost---. Law and order and justice for the WEAK & THE POOR & NEEDY is of paramount importance.

If a muslim nation cannot provide simple basic justice and protection to its most vulnerable---then it has no right to call itself an islamic nation----if the law cannot be enforced upon its citizenery equally from top to bottom----just take yourself out of the list. If you cannot provide justice----just take yourself out of the league of civilized nations.

When the teachers are BLIND---their students will be the same.
 
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That is very good. It is an acomplishment in itself.

What do you do now ? like as in profession ?
@DARKY

You have questions, please feel free to ask me. don't play the right left game. Ask simple and straight questions and I will try to answer it all.

Then, I will ask you people 2 questions, which I hope you will answer.

I gave you the question.

Turn a carpet into Earth's shape without tampering it and the primary condition should remain keeping the carpet spread out.


Or

Turn an Egg into carpets shape without tampering the egg and make it spread out.

Egg
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Carpet
4675954-Carpets_hanging_on_the_kasbah_wall_Essaouira.jpg

Earth
Blue-Marble.jpg


And Please mention your authority over your religion as to prove him wrong.

"The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment."
—Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, 1993
 
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ok man i am a "hafiz e quran" alhamdulillah,which means i have learned quran by heart so all the quotes from quran he gave r exact and the last one والارض بعد ذلك دحاها says,translation :"And He (Allah) Made The Earth Egg-Shaped"(may allah forgive me if i have made any mistake)so there u go.

What kind of illiterate you are.. Who gave you the right to manipulate the words.

والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

And then the ground Dhaha

Meaning of Dhaha.... "الأُدْحِيُّ و الإدْحِيُّ و الأُدْحِيَّة و الإدْحِيَّة و الأُدْحُوّة مَبِيض النعام في الرمل , وزنه أُفْعُول من ذلك , لأَن النعامة تَدْحُوه برِجْلها ثم تَبِيض فيه وليس للنعام عُشٌّ . و مَدْحَى النعام : موضع بيضها , و أُدْحِيُّها موضعها الذي تُفَرِّخ فيه .ِ"

Translation: Al-udhy, Al-idhy, Al-udhiyya, Al-idhiyya, Al-udhuwwa:The place in sand where an ostrich lays its egg. That's because the ostrich spreads out the earth with its feet then lays its eggs there, an ostrich doesn't have a nest.

According to "Lisan Al Arab".

How Dare you offend such Highly Reputed source... and The Holy Koran.
 
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