Saudis and Iran trade insults at conference on 'positive agenda'

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Saudis and Iran trade insults at conference on 'positive agenda'
By AFP
Published: December 2, 2017
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The gathering, called 'Beyond Turmoil', became the stage for a bitter slanging match between the two countries. PHOTO: TWITTER

ROME: Saudi Arabia and Iran have exported their bitter regional tussle to Rome, accusing each other of villainous meddling in the Middle East during diplomacy talks in the Italian capital.

“They have literally got away with murder in our region and the world,” Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir told a three-day conference on creating “a positive agenda” in the Mediterranean on Friday.

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The gathering, called ‘Beyond Turmoil’, became the stage for a bitter slanging match between the two countries, with Al-Jubeir saying Iran’s “negative influence throughout the region” was clear to see.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are engaged in a regional battle for dominance being fought by proxies in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon and other countries — a tussle which has drawn in the West.

“Since 1979 Iran has been the world’s chief sponsor of terrorism”, Al-Jubeir said.

Tehran “harbours and facilitates the movement of terrorists” and “established Hezbollah in Lebanon, using it to launder money and smuggle drugs,” he added.

Iran got its own barbs in first, with Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif saying on Thursday: “I don’t want to turn this into a Saudi bashing, but…” Saudi Arabia “has rejected every ceasefire effort in Syria, in Lebanon,” he said.

“Who supported ISIS (the Islamic State group), hoping they would overthrow the government of Syria in three weeks? Who was behind an entire blockade of Qatar?

“Who tried to force the prime minister of Lebanon out of office?” he asked.

“We believe all the countries need to live together, work together, but some people are trying to exclude us,” he said sadly.

Al-Jubeir protested that it wasn’t Saudi Arabia that struggled to have friends and allies in the region and beyond and Iran might want to do some soul-searching.

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“We have good relations with almost every country in the world, except Iran and North Korea. Who is Iran friends with apart from (Syrian President Bashar) al-Assad and North Korea?” he asked.

It fell to a tired-sounding Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to urge the pair to try dialogue rather than insults.

“We have been raising the issue of Saudi Arabia and Iran differences many times, they should start talking. It’s really unfortunate,” Lavrov said.

 

[Muhammed45]

Adel Al Jubeir , this guy cracks me up. He is using two keywords during all of his national/international meetings : YEMEN , IRAN

However, it is not his own fault. That arrogant prince plus Israel's political pressure on this kid, forces him to behave like that and try to provoke Iran.

Truth is that Iran doesn't need anyone's support as an independent power to put KSA on it's place, on the other hand the crippled monarchy in KSA always needs a God father, so it's not Iran the one that throws insults or provokes the kingdom of doom. BTW, Zarif should ignore this kid, it's absolutely waste of time and energy

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes, it is getting a bit tiring for even those of us that are somehow "involved" one way or another.

It was not like this pre-1979. Just saying.

Adel Al Jubeir , this guy cracks me up. He is using two keywords during all of his national/international meetings : YEMEN , IRAN

However, it is not his own fault. That arrogant prince plus Israel's political pressure on this kid, forces him to behave like that and try to provoke Iran.

Truth is that Iran doesn't need anyone's support as an independent power to put KSA on it's place, on the other hand the crippled monarchy in KSA always needs a God father, so it's not Iran the one that throws insults or provokes the kingdom of doom. BTW, Zarif should ignore this kid, it's absolutely waste of time and energy

Al-Jubeir tends to speak the truth and his statements are not that controversial or inaccurate.

He is one of the best articulated and well-connected diplomats out there. Pretty much well-liked by everyone not called Zarif.



KSA is doing excellent and you know it. Tremendous changes for the better and much more to come under MbS. Don't sound so bitter. Eventually your government will act normally and business can be made. Look at the UAE-Iran trade (although it is hugely in favor of UAE). Now UAE is a small version of KSA. Think about it for a second and how many doors KSA will open for you to the huge market (will only grow) that is the Arab world. Instead of paying proxies you can actually make business that will benefit the average Iranian. Arabs and business and trade in general is a good combination. We have done well in this since time immortal. I believe that Iranians are not that dissimilar in this regard to us Arabs. We both like to bargain and strike a good deal and are both shrewd in our dealings although I believe that we have a little edge here along with our cousins. Not as greedy though.

However it is your choice if you prefer the isolation, sanctions and lack of real progress which has been a constant since the Mullah's gained power in 1979. You do know that you can remain Muslims and conservative (if that is what you want) without the Mullah rule, right?

If you lived in Iran rather than Germany I assume that you would prefer that rather than paying billions to foreign proxies as many of your compatriots also openly talk about here on PDF.

 

[Muhammed45]

Al-Jubeir tends to speak the truth and his statements are not that controversial or inaccurate.

He is one of the best articulated and well-connected diplomats out there. Pretty much well-liked by everyone not called Zarif.

Hey man, i used to Google his name. Try it, you would laugh even more, look at his keywords :
Iran, Yemen, Hezbollah, Lebanon

Share you just some of his whining :

hahhahah

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Hey man, i used to Google his name. Try it, you would laugh even more, look at his keywords :
Iran, Yemen, Hezbollah, Lebanon

Share you just some of his whining :
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hahhahah

You did not address any of my points. Fair enough.

Well, that is what the media is writing and since you have made a google search with results only within the last couple of hours, the same news (posted by different outlets) will be circulating. You can see the same thing on Google if you write "Muhammad Javad Zarif" on Google.

I repeat, this was not present pre-1979.

 

[Muhammed45]

If you lived in Iran rather than Germany I assume that you would prefer that rather than paying billions to foreign proxies as many of your compatriots also openly talk about here on PDF.

Well, at least we are defending Arabic countries against your trained/supported ISIS terrorists. You can lie as always and call it proxy, doesn't change the fact.

Ale-Saud on it's own is a proxy of western powers, so you are not of our concern.

Muhammad Javad Zarif

He is not saying Saudi Saudi Saudi left and right

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well, at least we are defending Arabic countries against your trained/supported ISIS terrorists. You can lie as always and call it proxy, doesn't change the fact.

Ale-Saud on it's own is a proxy of western powers, so you are not of our concern.

Wasting billions on backward terrorist groups who cripple those countries and make them destabilized (Hezbollah in Lebanon, Houthi cult in Yemen, various Shia militias in Iraq) is not "defending" unless you are a braindead Shia Islamist.

That's like saying that private individuals somehow supporting Daesh either with money or spreading their propaganda are defending Iraq, Syria, Sinai, Yemen and what not against the West.

I don't understand your constant anti-Western rhetoric when you live in Germany yourself. It makes no sense to me.

Yes, a proxy that has different views than the West on most fronts, that is targeted by Western media 24/7 and which has its own agenda.

KSA is aligned with the world economy and most of that economy is run by the West. KSA has ties with the West (mostly economic) as 99,9% of all Muslim nations in the world. Being aligned with the West on some fronts politically while not so much on others, does not equal a puppet. It's called having a relationship just like KSA's largest trading partner is China and another important partner is Russia. The list is very long.

Proxies is what Iran excels at better than anyone in the region. I will give you that. However that is not the way forward on the long run. You can only use proxies to an extend. You will soon realize this or at least I hope so for the sake of your civilians.

You are a Russian proxy using that moronic logic.

Anyway this nonsense is getting tiring. I am starting not to take it seriously any longer. Lavrov is right.

He is not saying Saudi Saudi Saudi left and right

He actually is. When I googled his name and Saudi Arabia afterwards, I found 350.000 searches.

When I wrote Khamenei and Saudi Arabia I found 517.000 searches.

It's fair to say that both parties are engaged in the same nonsense.

BTW if the Mullah's are so great, just between us two, why do you not leave Germany for Iran?

 

[Muhammed45]

KSA is aligned with the world economy and most of that economy is run by the West. KSA has ties with the West (mostly economic) as 99,9% of all Muslim nations in the world. Being aligned with the West on some fronts politically while not so much on others, does not equal a puppet. It's called having a relationship just like KSA's largest trading partner is China and another important partner is Russia. The list is very long.

Ok, man
Have fun.

 

[Muhammed45]

Well, did I write anything that was not correct? I am afraid that I did not. You know it as well.

BTW see the last part of post 7.

Did you know that the oldest Shia community in the world is based in Madinah?

Madinah is a holy city, my feelings about Madinah is beyond love.

Hey, My avatar belongs to a Shia from Ta'if province in Arabian peninsula. A serial movie was created in Iran to cherish the memories of this glorious man who avenged Imam Hosein's (AS) martyrdom and defended holy Ka'aba against Yazid's army.

Iranians love this peninsula, you know this better than anyone, if it wasn't for Najdi Saudis who brought west to annoy Muslims across the middle east, we had the best relations with the people of peninsula.

Especially after beheading the revolutionary cleric, whom i call him نفس الزکیه , sheikh Bagher Al-Nimr , Ale-Saud digged her own grave. Not to mention their role in annoying the revolutionary Alem Sheikh Isa Ghassem in Bahrain.

Insha'llah and by Allah's will, people of peninsula whether Shia or Sunni, will liberate those holy sites and they themselves will establish a democratic government in peninsula. Kicking Takfiris out of our holy lands

 

[KediKesenFare3]

“Who tried to force the prime minister of Lebanon out of office?” he asked.
______

What was Saudi Arabia's goal by forcing him to step down?

 

[AmirPatriot]

“Who tried to force the prime minister of Lebanon out of office?” he asked.
______

What was Saudi Arabia's goal by forcing him to step down?

To create instability and turmoil in Lebanon by undermining the coalition government (the coalition included Hezbollah MPs).

 

[raptor22]

What does "negative influence throughout the region" means??
What terrorist group we supported when he said "Since 1979 Iran has been the world’s chief sponsor of terrorism"??

 

[EmeraldRabbit]

Does anyone have a video of this exchange? its always funny these pan-Arab government officials come to diplomatic circles and end up 1) becoming a circus 2) getting called out for bullshit.

They literally have no grounds to stand upon