Saudi woman to get 10 lashes for driving a car

[Mosamania]

You have to say that. No choice. He owns all your A.$$ es.

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This is why the Palestinians haven't gotten freedom yet. It's cause their neighbors are slavish people who don't know how to stand up for themselves. Thank god the Iranians don't take such crap. They will liberate Palestine, while you Wahhabi scum sit around sucking up to America.

Refer to above post.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

This is why the Palestinians haven't gotten freedom yet. It's cause their neighbors are slavish people who don't know how to stand up for themselves. Thank god the Iranians don't take such crap. They will liberate Palestine, while you Wahhabi scum sit around sucking up to America.

Sir I suggest you not insult people like, Mosamania has not attacked you nor do you even know him, Wahabi scum ? Reported

 

[muse]

Saudi king ‘revokes’ woman driver’s sentence

JEDDAH: Saudi King Abdullah has revoked a sentence of 10 lashes imposed on a woman for breaking the ban on women driving in the conservative kingdom, a Saudi princess said Wednesday on her Twitter account.

“Thank God, the lashing of Sheima is cancelled. Thanks to our beloved King. I’m sure all Saudi women will be so happy, I know I am,” said Princess Amira al-Taweel, wife of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. “In tough times we stand together; in good times we celebrate together,” the princess said. “I’m proud to be Saudi. To all Active Saudi women thank u for ur efforts.”

Sheima Jastaniah was sentenced on Monday by a court in the Red Sea city of Jeddah, where she was caught driving in July, a rights activist said.

“We were shocked yesterday (Monday) that she was sentenced to 10 lashes,” the activist said, adding Jastaniah would appeal the verdict.

The sentence came a day after the king announced women would be allowed to vote and to run in municipal polls, and to join the all-appointed Shura Council.

Amnesty International condemned the sentence, saying it demonstrated the ‘scale of discrimination against women in the kingdom’.

Also on Tuesday, women rights activist Madiha al-Ajrush was detained briefly in Riyadh after she was caught driving around the capital with a French freelance journalist who was working on a video documentary on women.

The journalist said she herself was set free after her consulate intervened, while Ajrush was later released according to posts by the Women2Drive campaign on the group’s Twitter page. afp

 

[53fd]

Whatever floats their boat (Saudi Arabia). They (the Saudi Kingdom) are free to do what they want, it's none of our concern. But these sort of things are against the spirit of Islam, & promote a bad image of it.

 

[Mosamania]

Whatever floats their boat (Saudi Arabia). They (the Saudi Kingdom) are free to do what they want, it's none of our concern. But these sort of things are against the spirit of Islam, & promote a bad image of it.

And we are changing it

 

[53fd]

And we are changing it

I hope you are. But even if you don't, it isn't (or shouldn't be) the concern of Pakistan & the Pakistani people.

 

[muse]

I hope you are. But even if you don't, it isn't (or shouldn't be) the concern of Pakistan & the Pakistani people.

I'll take exception to that - Events are around the world effect all of us - we are all connected -- especially since so many in Pakistan take a negative influence from Arabia instead of a positive influence -

Notice that Maso is suggesting moving away from the negative and yet so many arabized Pakistanis will be very uncomfortable with that -- while what Maso is suggesting is moving away from a tribal mentality, many arabized pakistanis are moving towards a tribal mentality - yes a lot a whole lot remains to be done but the important thing is that the arabian recognizes the need to move towards the values and ethics of modernity.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

I'll take exception to that - Events are around the world effect all of us - we are all connected -- especially since so many in Pakistan take a negative influence from Arabia instead of a positive influence -

Notice that Maso is suggesting moving away from the negative and yet so many arabized Pakistanis will be very uncomfortable with that -- while what Maso is suggesting is moving away from a tribal mentality, many arabized pakistanis are moving towards a tribal mentality - yes a lot a whole lot remains to be done but the important thing is that the arabian recognizes the need to move towards the values and ethics of modernity.

What do you define by an Arabized Pakistani ?Women can't Drive cars ? plenty of women drive cars in the Arab world however they are arabized, so what is going wrong with arabized Pakistani's ?

 

[53fd]

I'll take exception to that - Events are around the world effect all of us - we are all connected -- especially since so many in Pakistan take a negative influence from Arabia instead of a positive influence -

Notice that Maso is suggesting moving away from the negative and yet so many arabized Pakistanis will be very uncomfortable with that -- while what Maso is suggesting is moving away from a tribal mentality, many arabized pakistanis are moving towards a tribal mentality - yes a lot a whole lot remains to be done but the important thing is that the arabian recognizes the need to move towards the values and ethics of modernity.

I am in no way comfortable with how women are treated in Saudi Arabia, but while it bothers me on a personal level, it is something we can't change even if we wanted to, so that's what I mean when I say it's not my concern. We have enough problems within ourselves, we need to rectify those before looking at other people's problems. So yes, we need to learn on abstaining from this tribal mentality, rather than embracing it. While it is inspired from Saudi Arabia, it is Pakistan's own problem, & needs to be tackled by Pakistanis themselves, inside Pakistan.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Can this thread be closed ? The King revoked the lashes starting to look like troll fest here.

 

[Mosamania]

I'll take exception to that - Events are around the world effect all of us - we are all connected -- especially since so many in Pakistan take a negative influence from Arabia instead of a positive influence -

Notice that Maso is suggesting moving away from the negative and yet so many arabized Pakistanis will be very uncomfortable with that -- while what Maso is suggesting is moving away from a tribal mentality, many arabized pakistanis are moving towards a tribal mentality - yes a lot a whole lot remains to be done but the important thing is that the arabian recognizes the need to move towards the values and ethics of modernity.

Tribal mentality that you sing about every now and then is all but dead muse. Tribes were a necessity in the past however they are not anymore. The Arabi boogy man that you hate and fear so much is the product of your own imagination.

Being modern does not mean copy pasting another country's laws and rules . They have their own huge set of flaws and so do we only ours are flaunted around just to tell their respective country's citizens "At least you don't live there" to suppress discontent. While they struggle with broken down families, dead ethics, Huge crime rates etc. We have none of that, Family bonds in Saudi Arabia is very strong our ethics are that of Islam (not everyone follows but most do) and I can safely leave my iPad on my passenger seat while I am out of it knowing that no one is going to steal it.

On the other hand I admit that we need a lot to work on as well. The religious clergy is afraid that the problems faced in the western world that reduce them to lead a miserable life will be had here as well but I have a feeling that this won't be the case Insha'allah. You see it is not about walking in another country's footsteps but it is about upgrading your own culture little by little to make it better. You can say it is like building a house of cards that needs time before it becomes a house of steel.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Tribal mentality that you sing about every now and then is all but dead muse. Tribes were a necessity in the past however they are not anymore. The Arabi boogy man that you hate and fear so much is the product of your own imagination.

Being modern does not mean copy pasting another country's laws and rules . They have their own huge set of flaws and so do we only ours are flaunted around just to tell their respective country's citizens "At least you don't live there" to suppress discontent. While they struggle with broken down families, dead ethics, Huge crime rates etc. We have none of that, Family bonds in Saudi Arabia is very strong our ethics are that of Islam (not everyone follows but most do) and I can safely leave my iPad on my passenger seat while I am out of it knowing that no one is going to steal it.

On the other hand I admit that we need a lot to work on as well. The religious clergy is afraid that the problems faced in the western world that reduce them to lead a miserable life will be had here as well but I have a feeling that this won't be the case Insha'allah. You see it is not about walking in another country's footsteps but it is about upgrading your own culture little by little to make it better. You can say it is like building a house of cards that needs time before it becomes a house of steel.

Friend I suggest you not continue, the main topic was about the women however the King revoked that case closed.

 

[muse]

Maso

You behave as if you've been back handed once too often -

The Issue is the clergy you say, WHY are they the issue? In what kind of society do Clergy who cannot defend their ideas based on the teachings of the faith, exert such power?

You seem ashamed that arabian society is essentially tribal - don't be, everybody starts from somewhere the important thing is where we end up not where we started from

 

[Mosamania]

Friend I suggest you not continue, the main topic was about the women however the King revoked that case closed.

Okay. Got it.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

i second our friend this thread should be closed now

TARIQ