Saudi reforms ensure security, stability

[al-Hasani]

If you agree with my latest post then why make a comment in the beginning when I merely repeated myself and added more information/elaborated further.

One could get such a impression by reading your post since many non-Arabs and outsiders like to be experts on KSA and tell what to do and what not to do.

Which backward thinking are you referring to and have you even been to KSA? On many fronts KSA is better off than Turkey but you don't see Saudis or Arabs commenting on internal Turkish issues or judge while having limited knowledge/access to reality.

I am not sure if you speak Arabic but you can get more access/knowledge about KSA after watching this video although it is not perfect and 5-6 years old. Since that time much has changed. The video has been watched by nearly 5 million people.

I can recommend it although there are better documentaries in Arabic but I am not sure many understand it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9Aqd_-2hc

Also I may have misunderstood your post. English is not my first language.

 

[T-123456]

What i said was;
Its better to go slow and do it good then rush into things and get nasty surprises.
I think this is the best way,it should be an example to other muslim(arabian penunsula mostly) countries trying to adapt to modern times.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...-ensure-security-stability.html#ixzz2L6zlQbc6
Then you came with your story about economie and attacked me as if i said something wrong,you know as wel as i do that SA needs reforms as mentioned(mostly about rights).
Your personal look at this is different from what i hear from saudi friends.
So before making assumptions about me read and understand first.
I think you misunderstood and no i dont speak or understand arabic

 

[al-Hasani]

You can see what I wrote as a reply to your first post and why I countered your "modern times" remark. The rest we are in agreement with.

I already explained what the majority feels and what reforms/changes will likely come and how they will be approached. Those are not personal views since I have not given my personal view on anything apart from the ban of women being unable to drive which I said I disagree with. What I otherwise wrote was merely the reality of today's KSA. If you call that an attack then this is your own opinion. Saudi friends in Netherlands of all places? Also some Saudis want KSA to abandon Islam and they can believe that but they are nevertheless a minority and their sentiments only represent a small group of Saudis. What will happen in 20, 50 or 100 years we cannot know. You see what I mean?

Anyway I think that we agree on the basics so there is no need for me to repeat myself and you likewise.

 

[haviZsultan]

What reforms? For years I have never heard of reforms in Hejaz. I doubt it is ever going to happen. People don't have the mentaility in Pakistan and the middle east.

 

[al-Hasani]

What reforms? For years I have never heard of reforms in Hejaz. I doubt it is ever going to happen. People don't have the mentaility in Pakistan and the middle east.

Well given your past history here and comments/discussions I have seen I seriously doubt that you have any deeper knowledge about KSA and the internal changes that have taken place in the last many years nor in the Arab world for that matter. I am also pretty sure that you don't speak Arabic either or have lived in KSA.

Hejaz is not a country but a historical region in KSA so your comment is inaccurate. This alone pretty much confirms what I am saying above.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble but many reforms have already taken place since King Abdullah was elected as a king and many more are to come with him at the side or without. What regard your prophecies for KSA and the Middle East, then I will take them with a gran of salt as I suspect most other users will. THe same with your mentality talk. I doubt any living person is able to foresee the future as you seem to "be able to".

Aside from that we are discussing Saudi internal matters and not Pakistani matters so please kindly concentrate on the latter before jumping on others. If you have anything constructive to say then please go ahead if not then you are wasting the time of people.

 

[haviZsultan]

Well given your past history here and comments/discussions I have seen I seriously doubt that you have any deeper knowledge about KSA and the internal changes that have taken place in the last many years nor in the Arab world for that matter. I am also pretty sure that you don't speak Arabic either or have lived in KSA.

Hejaz is not a country but a historical region in KSA so your comment is inaccurate. This alone pretty much confirms what I am saying above.

Well, sorry to burst your bubble but many reforms have already taken place since King Abdullah was elected as a king and many more are to come with him at the side or without. What regard your prophecies for KSA and the Middle East, then I will take them with a gran of salt as I suspect most other users will. THe same with your mentality talk. I doubt any living person is able to foresee the future as you seem to "be able to".

Aside from that we are discussing Saudi internal matters and not Pakistani matters so please kindly concentrate on the latter before jumping on others. If you have anything constructive to say then please go ahead if not then you are wasting the time of people.

I am not anti-Saudi despite my views on Wahabism. I have been to Saudi and respect the place but reforms in Saudi are eye-wash. What reforms are we talking about if the king will remain the king? There is no democracy, the kings family controls resources and power. I can give you details about the cabinet but you won't believe me. Opening the way to any major reform can only be done when the regent decides to step down and end hereditary rule which you are in favor of. It is your personal choice but it is undemocratic.

I mentioned Pakistan keeping in mind that your brain would immediately send a signal that a Pakistani is criticizing Saudi so I added Pakistan too. Pakistan is too influenced by Saudi Arabia.

 

[al-Hasani]

I will not waste my time with a obvious troll. Basically your comments here pretty much confirms what I have already mentioned in my post above. As I said concentrate on your own internal matters and we will deal with ours.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I am not anti-Saudi despite my views on Wahabism. I have been to Saudi and respect the place but reforms in Saudi are eye-wash. What reforms are we talking about if the king will remain the king? There is no democracy, the kings family controls resources and power. I can give you details about the cabinet but you won't believe me. Opening the way to any major reform can only be done when the regent decides to step down and end hereditary rule which you are in favor of. It is your personal choice but it is undemocratic.

I mentioned Pakistan keeping in mind that your brain would immediately send a signal that a Pakistani is criticizing Saudi so I added Pakistan too. Pakistan is too influenced by Saudi Arabia.

Bro, the issue of the king is non of others business, it only concerns Saudis and since they are content then it's really rude for others to call for changing the system of the regime.

 

[al-Hasani]

Lastly you don't know what I am in favor of or not. You don't even know if I am in favor of the system but you suppose this because you see a Saudi flag on my profile. All I can say is that our government and leaders are doing more for our people than the Pakistani government and 90 percent of all Muslim governments hence why the vast majority of all Saudis are satisfied with their government. For instance I was awarded a scholarship for free to study at a top university in USA like thousands of other Saudis who have been awarded such scholarships in the last many years and this would not have been possible if I had lived in Pakistan, Iran or in many other Muslim countries. Let alone non-Muslim countries.

Also it was not more than a few days ago that a survey showed that Saudis are the most happy people in the Middle East and the most hopeful about the future. But you don't know about this and think that the rulers are sitting in their homes and digging their money down in their backyard while not giving anything back to the people. KSA is not a perfect country but it is a very good country for Muslims especially considering the standard of our region hence why you have million of immigrants living and working there likewise many hundred thousand Western people who came there out of their free will. You can't say that about many other Muslim countries in the region let alone countries. Moreover the property of KSA is not theirs nor it's resources they are just distributing it as any other government/leadership. Nor do we follow their Islam, their Holy Qur'an or their Sunnah.

In fact KSA is the highest recipient of Muslim immigrants of any country in the world. Yes, if you are a strongly convinced secularist that opposes Islamic rule/Islam/Muslims/Arabs and all that follows then KSA is not for you but we can live with that since we do not expect to be loved/liked by everyone nor do we care more about what foreigners have to say than what our own people have to say. Like in every single other country. But trust me there are plenty of Saudi secularists who live in KSA and some also voice their opinions. Contrary to popular people the government is not immune to criticism and people can be highly critical.

Anyway this will be a waste of time so I will stop now since I have homework to do.