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Saudi pilot test drive JF-17/FC-1: Saudi Air Force may purchase in bulk

All of these nations are Saudi friends and allies..the procurement of the JF-17 Block 3 is just a question of time..it was a promise a few years back and KSA always keeps its promises.. A first batch of 48 aircraft is a big possibility..

I always assumed KSA would just go for more Typhoons. Its not like KSA to buy a Mercedes, when they could choose between a gold plated Rolls Royce or a diamond encrusted Ferrari. :-)

Either way, I hope its true.
 
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I always assumed KSA would just go for more Typhoons. Its not like KSA to buy a Mercedes, when they could choose between a gold plated Rolls Royce or a diamond encrusted Ferrari. :-)

Either way, I hope its true.
KSA has heavy and medium weight fighters.. there is certainly a place for a lightweight fighter for obvious reasons..
 
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its Dated : 2019-03-04 12:37:50

something wrong?
Perhaps Beijing time,
The orginal article is written in Chinese,web translation as above.

Correction: ACM Mujahid Anwar Khan is the current head of PAF.
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Makes me doubt the content of the article...
Chinese article written in Chinese with Beijing time.
Please check the link http. haha,indian IQ always amuse me!
,web translation as above.

ORIGINAL ARTICLE:

慕名前来!沙特飞行员试驾枭龙,飞惯F-15的土豪为何选择中国制造
原创 兵盟 2019-03-04 12:37:50
日前国外社交媒体上出现了照片显示巴基斯坦的JF-17战斗机在沙特由沙特F-15战斗机飞行员进行测试的照片。

据巴基斯坦《国际新闻报》报导,沙特阿拉伯皇家空军司令穆罕默德·本·卡泰比将军在上月底曾出现在沙特驻巴基斯坦大使阿卜杜拉·扎兰尼的官邸里,对记者说道,沙特正在研究向巴基斯坦订购大批“枭龙”战斗机和“超级马西夏克”教练机的问题,巴基斯坦空军参谋长索海尔·阿曼上将也在场。

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沙特飞行员测试枭龙

沙特作为世界第一产油富豪,其军队装备也向来是出手阔绰,截至目前,沙特空军一共拥有和采购了72架“狂风”、72架“台风”和154架F-15,全部都是西方顶级双发重型战斗机,而枭龙只是一种较低价的单发轻型战斗机,那么在拥有如此豪华的战斗机配置的前提下,沙特为什么突然就对这种单发小飞机感兴趣了呢?

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沙特刚刚购买的台风战机

沙特是世界第一产油国,但这也导致其经济极度依赖石油,尤其从2014年开始,由于中国需求放慢、美国页岩油开采、俄罗斯为弥补财政扩大油气出口、伊朗石油开始恢复出口等因素,导致世界石油市场出现持续的供过于求现象,由此造成油价持续走低,对高度依赖石油美元的沙特形成巨大压力。其实沙特政府很早就认识到过度依赖石油出口导致经济结构单一的弊病,为此一直积极为经济发展多元化而努力,而在军事上,同样也需要走这种多元化发展路线,摆脱对西方的依赖。

而反恐战争时代沙特官方与极端逊尼派武装的关系,也让沙特与西方国家的间隙逐渐增大,2010年由西方主导开始的“阿拉伯之春”运动也对沙特造成了冲击,虽然靠撒钱度过了这关,但沙特政府也确实必须考虑离开西方以后的日子了,而购买中国和巴基斯坦研制的枭龙就是这种努力的一部分。

在技术上,枭龙虽然只是单发战斗机,但却是具备超视距对空作战和对地打击能力的多用途战斗机,在这点上比需要专门划分成防空型和对地攻击型的“狂风”还强。引进枭龙替代老旧的狂风,与台风和F-15实现高低搭配,让沙特空军的机队配置体系更加合理,枭龙相对西方双发重型战斗机便宜得多的采购和使用成本也有助于沙特空军在油价低迷的时代开源节流节省军费开支。

尤其这两年的也门战争,频频出动F-15这种昂贵的重型战斗机去对付也门胡赛武装这种低水平对手,成本上的浪费已经让沙特空军大为挠头,而枭龙恰恰就适合中东地区的这种低水平低强度作战,这是油价低迷时代的沙特为建设一支强大空军必须考虑的。

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F-15虽好,但沙特也用不起

而巴基斯坦与沙特的特殊关系也是沙特看上枭龙的原因之一。巴基斯坦同为逊尼派国家,而且是所有伊斯兰国家中唯一的有核国家,在地缘上则能帮助沙特围堵伊朗,所以无论从哪个角度来说,沙特长久以来都很看重巴基斯坦这个伊斯兰小兄弟,各种经济援助一直不断。而巴基斯坦也投桃报李,在自己最擅长的军事上频频出动军队帮助沙特,比如最近的也门战争中,沙特自己的军队一败涂地,而巴基斯坦派出的军队是沙特一方唯一能打出成绩的军队。此时选择购买枭龙,一方面能在经济上帮助巴基斯坦,另一方面也能学习到巴基斯坦先进的战斗经验,何乐而不为。

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巴基斯坦对枭龙的运用非常成熟

与此同时,沙特死对头伊朗的选择也是沙特愿意购买枭龙的原因。作为一个什叶派伊斯兰国家,伊朗在核问题爆发之前就是沙特为首的逊尼派阿拉伯国家的死对头。与沙特不同的是,伊斯兰革命后遭到西方制裁的伊朗一向贫穷,即使俄国愿意卖,伊朗也根本拿不出钱采购俄国苏-27、苏-30这样的先进重型战机,因此廉价而又性价比高的枭龙战机就成了伊朗特别青睐的对象,而同样也缺钱的巴基斯坦也很难拒绝这种订单。伊朗任何加强自身军力的行为都是沙特所不愿看到的,所以抢先把枭龙买下,让枭龙由于性能已经被对手掌握而使伊朗失去购买价值,也是沙特的用意之一。

此外,被很多人忽视的一点是,“枭龙”最大的卖点是“中巴合研”。巴基斯坦对JF-17寄予厚望,不仅在于自己用,更在于要自己造。据中航工业2016年报道“(中巴)采取2+2合作模式:第一步在中国试修2架飞机,打通飞机大修的技术路径。第二步在巴基斯坦通过2架飞机大修建线建立大修能力”。大修是在吃透搞懂全部技术工程细节后才能具备的重要能力,关系到“卡脖子”的问题,也是自行研制战机的第一步,此前巴军方的F-16都是送到土耳其大修的。在中国的帮助下,目前巴方已基本掌握了大修能力。显然沙特想要的不只是“枭龙”还有巴基斯坦对战斗机的维护、大修、乃至研制的能力。

无论如何,沙特愿意购买枭龙,对中巴沙都是件大好事,中巴不仅能赚到大笔真金白银,也能趁机打开沙特市场,还能拉近中国与沙特的关系,实属一箭多雕,也在此祝愿这笔交易能顺利成功。
 
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There is a thing called Simulator. How do you think Pilots flew F22, F35, space shuttle, and many other aircrafts for the first time?
Without the Sim when the first test pilots came onto the project.

Please don't quote me on that. I have spent enough time on full flight simulators.

Cheers !!
 
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Has anyone noticed the the canopy of the JF looks different? If yall look at the other aircraft there is a gradual lowering and then it becomes straight again.
 
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Chinese and Taiwan members - can you guys verify this news?
@TaiShang, how credible is this media?

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3648621

I am using a mobile and cannot post the whole article in here.

1)There is only one China in the world, and Taiwan is a provincial-level local administrative region of China. Taiwanese are Chinese, just like Cantonese are Chinese. Thank you for your time.

2)You have chosen your country of origin and country of residence as China. You still need the Chinese to confirm the incident for you?
 
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1)There is only one China in the world, and Taiwan is a provincial-level local administrative region of China. Taiwanese are Chinese, just like Cantonese are Chinese. Thank you for your time.

2)You have chosen your country of origin and country of residence as China. You still need the Chinese to confirm the incident for you?

I have my reasons which I can't disclose it here in the forum.

Now getting back to my question -
So what do you think about the news?
 
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This is what I want to say. If Saudi Arabia purchases armaments from China or Pakistan, the United States will impose military sanctions on Saudi military equipment and its components.

They will not as KSA billions of dollars worth customer for them.
 
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The article went a bit off the mark concerning the Oil prices that have been medium high for the last 3-4 years and the Houthis that have beaten the Saudi army, while the Arab coalition led by Saudi Arabia has liberated 80% of Yemen..:lol:, And also, everyone knows that Pakistan did not participate in the war in Yemen..
But, it confirms the fact that Saudi Arabia is going to buy a substantial number of JF-17s (most likely improved Blk2 or Blk3).. the study of the possibilities (options of engines and avionics from the West, from China or both!) was going on for a years now.. so at the end of it, and which is very important is the seriousness of KSA about the JF-17 program..it has been following the progression since the inception, and now that it has seemingly matured (at least the Blk2), the procurement might happen soon, but if waiting for BLK3, it might take a bit more time; the time for the BLK3 to become operational..
 
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This is what I want to say. If Saudi Arabia purchases armaments from China or Pakistan, the United States will impose military sanctions on Saudi military equipment and its components.

What about if the Saudis buy on behalf of the "Yemeni Air Force", that flies out of Saudi Bases, and can be used against Iranian backed forces.
 
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What about if the Saudis buy on behalf of the "Yemeni Air Force", that flies out of Saudi Bases, and can be used against Iranian backed forces.
You think beloved yankees are blind or idiot?
They US say you violate the regulations even if you do not and they say you did not even if you did.
Buy Pak or Especially China origin manned fighters is a direct challenge or humiliation from Saudite Arabia to US hegemony,Saudite Arabia can only buy US militaries as their loyal servant for the so called protection!
 
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I don't understand why the United States needs to stipulate that Pakistan's F-16 can't enter the airspace controlled by India. So what is the use of Pakistan's F-16? The F-16 is an offensive weapon, not a defensive weapon.
This is Utter BS as been claimed many times by US officals and Pak air force officals.

Pakistan can use its f16's against any country that attacks it.

I always assumed KSA would just go for more Typhoons. Its not like KSA to buy a Mercedes, when they could choose between a gold plated Rolls Royce or a diamond encrusted Ferrari. :-)

Either way, I hope its true.
Its been common knoweldge KSA has been in the market for a light weight fighter for years.

US offered them F16's many times and the saudi rejected due to over relying on American tech and potential future embargos.

Hence why they choose the Typhoons back in 2006 as they wanted to diversify their fighters.

KSA has looked at using Jf17 for bombing countries like Yemen as their frontline fighters cost too much money during these type of missions.

In saudis eyes they see 100 odd JF-17s capable enough to knock out the entire Iranian air force jets whilst Saudi front line figthers remained stationed at home protecting the country from any iranian retaliation
 
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This is Utter BS as been claimed many times by US officals and Pak air force officals.

Pakistan can use its f16's against any country that attacks it.


Its been common knoweldge KSA has been in the market for a light weight fighter for years.

US offered them F16's many times and the saudi rejected due to over relying on American tech and potential future embargos.

Hence why they choose the Typhoons back in 2006 as they wanted to diversify their fighters.

KSA has looked at using Jf17 for bombing countries like Yemen as their frontline fighters cost too much money during these type of missions.

In saudis eyes they see 100 odd JF-17s capable enough to knock out the entire Iranian air force jets whilst Saudi front line figthers remained stationed at home protecting the country from any iranian retaliation
Why does the US military say it is necessary to investigate whether Pakistan is violating the rules on the use of the F-16?
What does the violation here mean?
 
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