Saudi broadcaster MBC takes all of its Turkish TV programmes off the air

[lastofthepatriots]

2. their serials to destroy families in Islamic countries. Many families in Iran collapsed b/c of their serials and what they teach to people in their serials

Are middle eastern people really that gullible?

Not that Pakistani dramas are the best quality but the stories are always excellently written and based off novels.

People don't take tv and movies that seriously. But I guess our society is generally more conservative. New generation of children seem to have low IQs and like to emulate westerners though. And they don't even emulate the good qualities, only the bad ones.

 

[Deliorman]

As we see here Turkish soap operas are making all of it's viewers in the Middle East to embrace Erdogan as their new Khalif and also destroying families all around the region too.

It feels good to know that I am not the only one who gets so easily manipulated by watching TV shows. For some time now since I started watching "Game Of Thrones" I feel that I am the true Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and also my passion for drinking Dornish wine, having orgies and beheading my opponents have grown considerably.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I Think, as ppl may like such or such thing...no one should force upon others their view of what they think as "Good or bad"...
There is ppl who may like watching it... other don't... It's a Choice.
Not everyone seek to "learn".

Whatever Turkey push an agenda or not... I don't really care... and same for Censoring... If a Country don't want X series , it's their right to do so.

As for Distortion of reality for X purpose..; EVERY Entertaining industry use this soft power..; EVERYONE... including the US/EU/Korea and so on..; it's part of the tools to do so...
BUT putting all of them in this "category" is also wrong... Not every sopa/series etc...is made with the mind of pushing a "Political" agenda... but some does, that's a fact...

As your last Comment about my "Alleged" "Erdogan mania"...please refrain in the future to make such opinion on myself.

Best regards,
As you said, let's end it here, if jumping on personal "affiliation" is used.

If say France made a documentary (distorted one too at that or some soap drama where French occupation of Algeria was glorified or facts were deliberately omitted) would you then have a problem with the Algerian regime removing such content (which they would)? Or what about Turkey criminalizing anyone claiming that the Armenian genocide never occurred?

I look at Erdogan and his retarded and highly deluded Neo-Ottomanist fanboys as a threat to the Arab world and its well-being. I would not have such "worries" (not that I am worried about anything major here but why shot yourself in the foot potentially?) if Turkey was ruled by Kemalists for instance as in the past.

And it is also the right of every independent country or private business (in this case MBC) to act accordingly if they think it will protect the society.

I am only referring to those pushing a political agenda. I have no problem with some nonpolitically motivated Turkish soap opera where the usual crap is parroted like in our own ones. I have made this clear from the very beginning.

I said that this was an impression of mine. I am not sure why you take it personally. I would not react this way if you told me that I was in favor of Arab unity (as most Arabs are) or if I was negative of the Iranian Mullah's. I don't "hide" my opinions here. When I criticize certain things in relation to Turkey, Turkish foreign policies or Erdogan, it does not mean that I hate Turks despite some butthurt Turkish trolls here who cannot argue with me or against me. So they resort either to trolling or one-liners or claiming that I hate "Turks" (this would include the millions of Turkish Arabs btw and tons of other minorities including millions of Circassians - I am of distant Circassian ancestry myself).

Obviously they do not give a crap about "my concerns" and that of Arabs as they are not Arabs. All they are interested in (in a perfect world) is for the Arab world to be pro-Turkish drones and preferably rely on Turkey. Of course this will never happen but that's the reality. Do I blame them? No. Do I have similar ambitions about the Muslim world and areas that the we once ruled be it Spain or parts of modern-day Pakistan for instance? Do I want to spread Arab influence to non-Arabs (it's already directly visible or indirectly visible in all parts of the Muslim world and Southern Europe for instance)? Not at all as we have more than enough on our own plate (KSA let alone the Arab world which could be a continent of its own). I see a similar syndrome among the Iranian Mullah fanboys (those with regional ambitions). They too wish/dream about (futile as well) that the entire Arab world will turn into another tiny Southern Lebanon. I think that we can agree on this one as well.

They too use their nonsense "historical" dramas made to target Shia Arabs to demonize certain historical Muslim figures. Why should we tolerate such crap as well? The response was the same here and I am happy about that. Principally against censorship or not.

 

[Amun]

Since the very beggining, the human being has always sought for the better in any field around, but especially for the soul.

In the world, the current human miggration routes or travel routes can easliy and simply confirm that short sentence above. While the ones migrating or travling thanks to the conditions; the rest can only look behind back, and start to envy of those ''Lucky'' ones.

Right here comes The Turkish model for them to satisfy their souls that seek for the better and also are surrounded by poor social-economic 'oppressive'' conditions.

In the news in the op, the figures and comments of audiences can easily and simply confirm that; like the increasing number of Imiigration or Travellers from the Middle East countries into Turkey by years*.

In short, Freedom and Civilization.

* The travellers from The Middle East to Turkey by Jan-Oct 2016-2017 (Ministry of Culture and Tourism based source)

You cannot put all the Arab countries on the same scale or even compare the last 3 years in number of tourism....
1-Egypt tourism to Turkey decreased dramatically since Erdogan continuous support to MB terrorists in Egypt....that led to 2 things : first...the Egyptian ordinary people that like my self started to build a psychological barrier (unconsciously) although I have visited Istanbul and I liked it ..... second..because of the flow of MB terrorists that went to Syria via Turkey.... the Egyptian government started to make strict rules and specific approvals to Egyptians travel to Turkey.

2- you cannot say that all Arab countries are poor....and even the migrants consider Turkey as only aa station to Europe.


Lastly.... you are talking about civilization in the presence of Egypt.... come on man.

Sumarian,Babylon and Phoenicia......and above all the holy land of our beloved messenger that takes us from darkness to light by the gods willing.

 

[HannibalBarca]

If say France made a documentary (distorted one too at that or some soap drama where French occupation of Algeria was glorified or facts were deliberately omitted) would you then have a problem with the Algerian regime removing such content (which they would)? Or what about Turkey criminalizing anyone claiming that the Armenian genocide never occurred?

I look at Erdogan and his retarded and highly deluded Neo-Ottomanist fanboys as a threat to the Arab world and its well-being. I would not have such "worries" (not that I am worried about anything major here but why shot yourself in the foot potentially?) if Turkey was ruled by Kemalists for instance as in the past.

And it is also the right of every independent country or private business (in this case MBC) to act accordingly if they think it will protect the society.

I am only referring to those pushing a political agenda. I have no problem with some nonpolitically motivated Turkish soap opera where the usual crap is parroted like in our own ones. I have made this clear from the very beginning.

I said that this was an impression of mine. I am not sure why you take it personally. I would not react this way if you told me that I was in favor of Arab unity (as most Arabs are) or if I was negative of the Iranian Mullah's. I don't "hide" my opinions here. When I criticize certain things in relation to Turkey, Turkish foreign policies or Erdogan, it does not mean that I hate Turks despite some butthurt Turkish trolls here who cannot argue with me or against me. So they resort either to trolling or one-liners or claiming that I hate "Turks" (this would include the millions of Turkish Arabs btw and tons of other minorities including millions of Circassians - I am of distant Circassian ancestry myself).

Obviously they do not give a crap about "my concerns" and that of Arabs as they are not Arabs. All they are interested in (in a perfect world) is for the Arab world to be pro-Turkish drones and preferably rely on Turkey. Of course this will never happen but that's the reality. Do I blame them? No. Do I have similar ambitions about the Muslim world and areas that the we once ruled be it Spain or parts of modern-day Pakistan for instance? Do I want to spread Arab influence to non-Arabs (it's already directly visible or indirectly visible in all parts of the Muslim world and Southern Europe for instance)? Not at all as we have more than enough on our own plate (KSA let alone the Arab world which could be a continent of its own). I see a similar syndrome among the Iranian Mullah fanboys (those with regional ambitions). They too wish/dream about (futile as well) that the entire Arab world will turn into another tiny Southern Lebanon. I think that we can agree on this one as well.

They too use their nonsense "historical" dramas made to target Shia Arabs to demonize certain historical Muslim figures. Why should we tolerate such crap as well? The response was the same here and I am happy about that. Principally against censorship or not.

AS you said a "Documentary" that should have a purpose to give a "truth"... and therefore taking it away on basis of false facts...that's normal... it even happen in Western countries...
But here...it's a soap opera... a serie, who is NOT meant to portray reality.

But, ofc, few ppl will see it as a "reality" but...it's not the fault of the soap... but the lack of education, that wasn't given to them by their own society...

As for Turkey stance and if they are a danger to Arabs... I, personally see it as an opportunity...
Arabs were seating too long on their fat arses... It's time to change... A little rivalry, is good for the future...
The status quo that many enjoyed is over...time to move.

As we see here Turkish soap operas are making all of it's viewers in the Middle East to embrace Erdogan as their new Khalif and also destroying families all around the region too.

It feels good to know that I am not the only one who gets so easily manipulated by watching TV shows. For some time now since I started watching "Game Of Thrones" I feel that I am the true Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and also my passion for drinking Dornish wine, having orgies and beheading my opponents have grown considerably.

Tell me about your "New" feelings for your sister?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

AS you said a "Documentary" that should have a purpose to give a "truth"... and therefore taking it away on basis of false facts...that's normal... it even happen in Western countries...
But here...it's a soap opera... a serie, who is NOT meant to portray reality.

But, ofc, few ppl will see it as a "reality" but...it's not the fault of the soap... but the lack of education, that wasn't given to them by their own society...

As for Turkey stance and if they are a danger to Arabs... I, personally see it as an opportunity...
Arabs were seating too long on their fat arses... It's time to change... A little rivalry, is good for the future...
The status quo that many enjoyed is over...time to move.


Tell me about your "New" feelings for your sister?

It's the whole package, I believe (if this news is even accurate to begin with). Thus what I refer to as well. Not only those soap operas.

I agree with this view of yours but this rivalry should be healthy and non-hostile. I am not a fan of the Al-Assad regime but at the same time I don't want Syria to turn into a satellite state for every Tom Dick and Harry in the region, including Turkey. If Tunisia was in a similar situation you would think the same, I imagine and most Tunisians.

BTW I am not anti-Turkey or anti-Turks. I am anti-certain Turkish (under Erdogan) policies in relation to the Arab world as well as certain of his historical interpretations and alternative "facts". That's all. Look, the Near Eastern Arab world has the most close ties to both Iran and Turkey in the Arab world. Much of Southern Anatolia, especially the Arab-inhabited areas of Turkey, are very similar to Northern Syria, Western and Northern Iraq, Northern Arabia on numerous fronts. Even climatically. People tend to forget the Arab Turkish community. As in completely while the Arab community in Iran gets a lot of publicity.

There is no need for hostility but we should guard our own interests like any sane country/people do. Whether it is is Wilayat al-Faqih drones with deluded and retarded "ambitions", the Neo-Ottoman lot, the Zionists, the Neocons, Arabs within us who want their Arab country to dominate other Arab countries forcefully, Daesh-like groups and people etc. I am against it all.

The formula is simple and something I believe that most of the 500 million + Arabs worldwide agree with. What is beneficial for our countries and peoples is something that I support (obviously) while at the same time trying to have cordial and mutually beneficial ties with as many countries and peoples as possible. A very simple and harmless "ideology". When this is being worked against I can put aside ideological, political, religious differences. A strong and united Arab world means a strong Tunisia. A strong KSA. A strong Iraq. Or at least should.

I do not believe that we Arabs or the Arab world with our land mass, resources, rich history, geographic position, population size, potential and everything that we have been blessed with need to conquer or even dominate non-Arab regions. I am against it even if possible as I believe that it creates more trouble than positives at the end of the day.

Just like I am, by principle, against those useless soap operas regardless of origin (argued why that is in detail) or Western fast food and other issues that I find harmful even though I am principally against censorship.

 

[xenon54 out]

toooooo loooooooong .... how could I watch a TV series of more than 500 episodes

Lol in Turkey its only 150 episodes or something but each episode has similar lenght as a movie.
Its a strange phenomenon i have only seen in Turkey, with comercials and stuff it takes like 2-2.5h per episode which is aired one time a week.
I know in Balkans they cut each episode into 5 pieces and air it 5 days a weeks, seems like its the same in Egypt.

because before these soap opras and erdogan nobody heard of turkey in the arab world

Im pretty sure Iraq heard of it since Turkish military has a presence on its soil for some decades now.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Im pretty sure Iraq heard of it since Turkish military has a presence on its soil for some decades now.

oooooooo wat an achievement after the northern no fly zone, we are shaking in fear

(((((((((((((

 

[xenon54 out]

oooooooo wat an achievement after the northern no fly zone, we are shaking in fear

(((((((((((((

Theres nothing to fear, Turkey acts according to the agreement made with Iraq, it has nothing to do with northern NFZ.
Turkish military presence in Iraq
Its just to prove the opposite of your countrymans claim that nobody in Arab world has heard of Turkey before Erdogan.

The general anti Turkism in this thread is just laughable, why are you getting mad at Turks when Arabic women like Turkish soaps? Nobody is enforcing anything here.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Theres nothing to fear, Turkey acts according to the agreement made with Iraq, it has nothing to do with northern NFZ.
Turkish military presence in Iraq
Its just to prove the opposite of your countrymans claim that nobody in Arab world has heard of Turkey before Erdogan.

The general anti Turkism in this thread is just laughable, why are you getting mad at Turks when Arabic women like Turkish soaps? Nobody is enforcing anything here.

Let these women watch soaps, it is better than them annoying us.

 

[xenon54 out]

Let these women watch soaps, it is better than them annoying us.

See the martydom Turkish men must endure? You should be thankful to us.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

What's the point of this debate? They can watch it on the internet and this is what matters. These soaps are part of our soft power and I even bet that some Arab channels will happily air Turkish soaps.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

See the martydom Turkish men must endure? You should be thankful to us.

ive not seen them, i only saw this movie nefes vatan sagolsun back in 2009 with some subtitles

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Saudi Arabia’s sovereign-wealth fund is moving to buy a stake in Endeavor LLC, a company that includes the world’s largest talent agency, Saudi officials said, as the kingdom builds an entertainment industry with a once-unthinkable partner: Hollywood.

the source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-...ing-to-buy-a-stake-in-endeavor-plc-1521224048

What an irony!

 

[xenon54 out]

Despite the ban people find their way.