Saudi Arabian National Day Celebrations

[Saif al-Arab]

Culminates on this Sunday (September 23).

No Independence Day (Saudi Arabia has never been a Western colony nor been conquered by foreigners) but a National Day. Important to remember the distinction.

Ibn Saud, previously the King of Najd and Hejaz (1926-1932), Sultan of Najd (1921-1927) and Emir of Najd and Hasa (1902-1921), when he united what is today modern-day KSA, might not have been the most popular leader among the defeated/conquered leaders/entities but in hindsight what was done, was a great thing as otherwise, KSA, might have been as divided as Arabia already is (7 if not 9 entities if Iraq and Jordan are included as often done historically and geographically), meaning several independent entities.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_National_Day

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042782449879707648

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042871486732795904

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042597799244779520

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042753811612397574

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042570939366625281

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042842187086684160

RSAF National Day Commemorative Paint Scheme

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The celebrations have kickstarted in KSA and neighboring countries already.

National Day events to explore Saudi heritage, civilization

The GAC has organized a wide range of activities in the Kingdom to celebrate the 88th Saudi National Day. (AN photo)

MOHAMMED AL-SULAMI
September 20, 2018

• General Authority for Culture (GAC) organizing folk festivals, music concerts, arts exhibitions, during the Kingdom's 88th National Day celebrations

JEDDAH: Poets, authors, artists and folk musicians are gearing up for a host of cultural events organized by the General Authority for Culture (GAC) to mark celebration of the 88th Saudi National Day around the Kingdom.

These activities, in which citizens and residents participate, include folk festivals, poetry evenings, music concerts, arts shows, film events, and interactive activities.

GAC has organized the “Adwaa wa Atyaf” (lights and spectra) event in Riyadh, which includes a range of activities such as falling green balloons, 3D visual shows, horse shows, sand painting shows, and many others.

The Culture Authority celebrates aviation in Riyadh by playing live national music for the passengers. It has also organized an arts exhibition in Riyadh and a pavilion for cultural heritage.

Between Sep. 19 and 27 a variety of cultural events will run in the provinces of Al-Kharj, Al-Majma’ah, Al-Aflaj, and Thadig, including theatrical performances, poetry evenings, poetry recital competitions, children-only events, women-only events, events for the Ensan Organization for orphans, and cultural seminars.

In Jeddah, GAC has organized the “Naghmet Watan,” a traditional Saudi music event, on Sep. 22. It aims to explore the evolution of the Saudi folklore as well as the Kingdom’s civilization and its heritage, cultural and artistic development through folk music concerts performed by emerging young singers.

In Tabuk, cultural events will take place between Sep. 23 and 25. The program includes a poetry evening, a folk night, and a contest for the best poem, picture, tweet, and article.

The “Lilwatan Maw’ed” (the day of the homeland) event will be held in Al-Ahsa between Sep. 23 and 27. It includes a performance of the Saudi traditional Ardha dance, cultural seminars, and a show about the founder of Saudi Arabia, the late King Abdul Aziz Al Saud.

GAC has organized the “Ya Dar Nestahlak” (we deserve our homeland) event to be held in Buraidah on Sep. 24. This event includes performances by a folk arts band, a photography exhibition, theatrical performances, poetry evenings, and cultural seminars.

In Taif on Sep. 25, the Omsiyat Watan or Saudi evening event will be held, accompanied by a lecture about Taif, an art exhibition, and live poetry recitals.

The Laylat Aflam or movie night event is to be held in Jizan. It will feature the national film “Joud,” which discusses the status of the Kingdom in the Islamic world as well as its cultural and heritage status.

GAC has organized the “Qalo Aan Al-Watan” (they said about Saudi) event in Najran for poets and authors. The event also features a documentary film.

In Al-Jawf, the “Ihtifaliyat Watan” to be held between Sep. 23 and 25 will include poetry and writing competition as well as interactive activities for children.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1374906/saudi-arabia

Great timing.

Joint Saudi-French expedition uncovers new archaeological sites in southern Riyadh

ARAB NEWS
September 17, 2018

• The expedition was operating under the mandate of the National Authority for Tourism and National Heritage
• SPA said this was the first time sites from the Paleolithic period were discovered in Al-Kharj province

JEDDAH: A joint Saudi-French expedition has uncovered archaeological sites that date back more than 100 thousand years amid a number of mountains in southern Riyadh, specifically in the Kharj province.
The expedition was operating under the mandate of the National Authority for Tourism and National Heritage.
The field survey covered mountainous territory, where the expeditionary team discovered sites that date back to the Stone Age or Paleolithic period in Al-Kharj province, about 100 thousand years ago.
The Saudi Press Agency report said this was the first time sites from the Paleolithic period were discovered in Al-Kharj province, in addition to sites dating back to the Upper Paleolithic period.
The remains of broken pottery, and bracelets made of stained glass were discovered on site.
Also uncovered at the site of Ain Dalea, in southern Al Kharj, was evidence of early human settlement dating back 5000 years.
The 18-member expedition included scientists and archaeologists from both Saudi Arabia and France.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1373651/saudi-arabia

Saudi-French delegation reveals historical sites dating back to 100,000 years

Broken clay pots, some plain and some painted in green, and a number of broken bracelets made of glass and colored in yellow, red and blue were found. (SPA)

SPA, Riyadh
Monday, 17 September 2018

A Saudi-French delegation for archaeological exploration supervised by the Saudi Commission for Tourism and National Heritage discovered historical sites dating back to about 100,000 years in a number of mountains south of Riyadh in the city of al-Kharj.

The delegation’s field survey included the mountains surrounding al-Kharj overlooking Wadi Nisah and mountains overlooking the town of al-Shadida. The sites date back to the Paleolithic period about 100,000 years ago, and they are the first sites discovered from that period in al-Kharj.

Broken clay pots, some plain and some painted in green, and a number of broken bracelets made of glass and colored in yellow, red and blue were found, as well as pieces of stone bowls and trays.

The delegation, which was made up of 18 scientists and specialists in the field of archaeological excavations, also discovered human remains dating about 5,000 years old. A 56-centimeter long bronze sword was also found from the same period.

The delegation also discovered a number of ancient farms and architectural structures dating back to the fifth century AH, with a number of Arabic inscriptions without punctuation, which is the oldest Islamic writing in the central region of the Arabian Peninsula.

Prince Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz, the chairman of the Saudi Commission for Tourism and National Heritage, had received the delegation at the commission’s headquarters in Riyadh.

Last Update: Monday, 17 September 2018 KSA 13:46 - GMT 10:46

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/lif...ical-sites-dating-back-to-100-000-years-.html

https://twitter.com/spagov/status/1041611404791476224?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1041611404791476224|twgr^373939313b73706563696669635f73706f7274735f616374696f6e&ref_url=https://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/100-000-year-old-archeology-site-discovered-in-riyadh-1.2279644

Great stuff once again. So much more to uncover. Just a drop in the ocean.

 

[khansaheeb]

Culminates on this Sunday (September 23).

No Independence Day (Saudi Arabia has never been a Western colony nor been conquered by foreigners) but a National Day. Important to remember the distinction.

Ibn Saud, previously the King of Najd and Hejaz (1926-1932), Sultan of Najd (1921-1927) and Emir of Najd and Hasa (1902-1921), when he united what is today modern-day KSA, might not have been the most popular leader among the defeated/conquered leaders/entities but in hindsight what was done, was a great thing as otherwise, KSA, might have been as divided as Arabia already is (7 if not 9 entities if Iraq and Jordan are included as often done historically and geographically), meaning several independent entities.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_National_Day

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042782449879707648

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042871486732795904

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042597799244779520

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042753811612397574

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042570939366625281

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042842187086684160

RSAF National Day Commemorative Paint Scheme

View attachment 500007

View attachment 500008

The celebrations have kickstarted in KSA and neighboring countries already.

National Day events to explore Saudi heritage, civilization

The GAC has organized a wide range of activities in the Kingdom to celebrate the 88th Saudi National Day. (AN photo)

MOHAMMED AL-SULAMI
September 20, 2018

• General Authority for Culture (GAC) organizing folk festivals, music concerts, arts exhibitions, during the Kingdom's 88th National Day celebrations

JEDDAH: Poets, authors, artists and folk musicians are gearing up for a host of cultural events organized by the General Authority for Culture (GAC) to mark celebration of the 88th Saudi National Day around the Kingdom.

These activities, in which citizens and residents participate, include folk festivals, poetry evenings, music concerts, arts shows, film events, and interactive activities.

GAC has organized the “Adwaa wa Atyaf” (lights and spectra) event in Riyadh, which includes a range of activities such as falling green balloons, 3D visual shows, horse shows, sand painting shows, and many others.

The Culture Authority celebrates aviation in Riyadh by playing live national music for the passengers. It has also organized an arts exhibition in Riyadh and a pavilion for cultural heritage.

Between Sep. 19 and 27 a variety of cultural events will run in the provinces of Al-Kharj, Al-Majma’ah, Al-Aflaj, and Thadig, including theatrical performances, poetry evenings, poetry recital competitions, children-only events, women-only events, events for the Ensan Organization for orphans, and cultural seminars.

In Jeddah, GAC has organized the “Naghmet Watan,” a traditional Saudi music event, on Sep. 22. It aims to explore the evolution of the Saudi folklore as well as the Kingdom’s civilization and its heritage, cultural and artistic development through folk music concerts performed by emerging young singers.

In Tabuk, cultural events will take place between Sep. 23 and 25. The program includes a poetry evening, a folk night, and a contest for the best poem, picture, tweet, and article.

The “Lilwatan Maw’ed” (the day of the homeland) event will be held in Al-Ahsa between Sep. 23 and 27. It includes a performance of the Saudi traditional Ardha dance, cultural seminars, and a show about the founder of Saudi Arabia, the late King Abdul Aziz Al Saud.

GAC has organized the “Ya Dar Nestahlak” (we deserve our homeland) event to be held in Buraidah on Sep. 24. This event includes performances by a folk arts band, a photography exhibition, theatrical performances, poetry evenings, and cultural seminars.

In Taif on Sep. 25, the Omsiyat Watan or Saudi evening event will be held, accompanied by a lecture about Taif, an art exhibition, and live poetry recitals.

The Laylat Aflam or movie night event is to be held in Jizan. It will feature the national film “Joud,” which discusses the status of the Kingdom in the Islamic world as well as its cultural and heritage status.

GAC has organized the “Qalo Aan Al-Watan” (they said about Saudi) event in Najran for poets and authors. The event also features a documentary film.

In Al-Jawf, the “Ihtifaliyat Watan” to be held between Sep. 23 and 25 will include poetry and writing competition as well as interactive activities for children.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1374906/saudi-arabia

Great timing.

Joint Saudi-French expedition uncovers new archaeological sites in southern Riyadh

ARAB NEWS
September 17, 2018

• The expedition was operating under the mandate of the National Authority for Tourism and National Heritage
• SPA said this was the first time sites from the Paleolithic period were discovered in Al-Kharj province

JEDDAH: A joint Saudi-French expedition has uncovered archaeological sites that date back more than 100 thousand years amid a number of mountains in southern Riyadh, specifically in the Kharj province.
The expedition was operating under the mandate of the National Authority for Tourism and National Heritage.
The field survey covered mountainous territory, where the expeditionary team discovered sites that date back to the Stone Age or Paleolithic period in Al-Kharj province, about 100 thousand years ago.
The Saudi Press Agency report said this was the first time sites from the Paleolithic period were discovered in Al-Kharj province, in addition to sites dating back to the Upper Paleolithic period.
The remains of broken pottery, and bracelets made of stained glass were discovered on site.
Also uncovered at the site of Ain Dalea, in southern Al Kharj, was evidence of early human settlement dating back 5000 years.
The 18-member expedition included scientists and archaeologists from both Saudi Arabia and France.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1373651/saudi-arabia

Saudi-French delegation reveals historical sites dating back to 100,000 years

Broken clay pots, some plain and some painted in green, and a number of broken bracelets made of glass and colored in yellow, red and blue were found. (SPA)

SPA, Riyadh
Monday, 17 September 2018

A Saudi-French delegation for archaeological exploration supervised by the Saudi Commission for Tourism and National Heritage discovered historical sites dating back to about 100,000 years in a number of mountains south of Riyadh in the city of al-Kharj.

The delegation’s field survey included the mountains surrounding al-Kharj overlooking Wadi Nisah and mountains overlooking the town of al-Shadida. The sites date back to the Paleolithic period about 100,000 years ago, and they are the first sites discovered from that period in al-Kharj.

Broken clay pots, some plain and some painted in green, and a number of broken bracelets made of glass and colored in yellow, red and blue were found, as well as pieces of stone bowls and trays.

The delegation, which was made up of 18 scientists and specialists in the field of archaeological excavations, also discovered human remains dating about 5,000 years old. A 56-centimeter long bronze sword was also found from the same period.

The delegation also discovered a number of ancient farms and architectural structures dating back to the fifth century AH, with a number of Arabic inscriptions without punctuation, which is the oldest Islamic writing in the central region of the Arabian Peninsula.

Prince Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz, the chairman of the Saudi Commission for Tourism and National Heritage, had received the delegation at the commission’s headquarters in Riyadh.

Last Update: Monday, 17 September 2018 KSA 13:46 - GMT 10:46

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/lif...ical-sites-dating-back-to-100-000-years-.html

https://twitter.com/spagov/status/1041611404791476224?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1041611404791476224|twgr^373939313b73706563696669635f73706f7274735f616374696f6e&ref_url=https://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/100-000-year-old-archeology-site-discovered-in-riyadh-1.2279644

Great stuff once again. So much more to uncover. Just a drop in the ocean.

No one cares, keep your celebrations to yourself. Until you show Islamic values and humanity in Yemen celebrate yourself.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

No one cares, keep your celebrations to yourself. Until you show Islamic values and humanity in Yemen celebrate yourself.

This is the Arab section of PDF. I don't care or ask for your interest or lack thereof.

KSA is involved in Yemen due to the direct invitation of the legitimate Yemeni government and KSA and the Arab coalition moreover operates under a UN resolution as well. Yemen has been war-torn and unstable for years, in fact decades, on and off. KSA and the Arab coalition along with the Yemeni government are jointly fighting against a terrorist cult named Houthis, that have hijacked and destroyed Yemen by large. 90% of Yemen is in our control and only a few regions remain. Lastly nobody cares more about Yemen or have done more for Yemen than KSA.

This is not the thread either so kindly troll elsewhere or refrain from hijacking this thread.

This is supposed to be a apolitical thread (only historical incidents related to the topic should be discussed) and a calm one too.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

No Independence Day

Do you see that date as creation of KSA by Ibn Saud?

 

[khansaheeb]

This is the Arab section of PDF. I don't care or ask for your interest or lack thereof.

KSA is involved in Yemen due to the direct invitation of the legitimate Yemeni government and KSA and the Arab coalition moreover operates under a UN resolution as well. Yemen has been war-torn and unstable for years, in fact decades, on and off. KSA and the Arab coalition along with the Yemeni government are jointly fighting against a terrorist cult named Houthis, that have hijacked and destroyed Yemen by large. 90% of Yemen is in our control and only a few regions remain. Lastly nobody cares more about Yemen or have done more for Yemen than KSA.

This is not the thread either so kindly troll elsewhere or refrain from hijacking this thread.

This is supposed to be a apolitical thread (only historical incidents related to the topic should be discussed) and a calm one too.

Saudis need to be aware of the growing concern of Saudi action in Yemen and the human cost and suffering you are imposing on the civilian population. You would be wise to consider the opinions of Muslims around the globe whose respect you are slowly losing. We are not interested in your perverse reasoning or justification of the war but are only asking for Islamic compassion and mercy to be shown to the civilian population. If you are blind to your Islamic duty or moral obligation then I feel sorry for you.

 

[El Sidd]

Great.

I have a Saudi flag in my House. I will hoist it

 

[SALMAN F]

This thread about celebration stop ruin it by trolling

 

[khansaheeb]

Yeh go ahead and celebrate but remember the people of YEmen:-

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Do you see that date as creation of KSA by Ibn Saud?

Only, under a new name, the current one. Previously the country was named the Kingdom of Nejd and Hijaz. Which was incorrect as many other kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates and sheikdoms, that constitute modern-day KSA, were incorporated.

Likewise there were countless of ruling dynasties in what is modern-day KSA before Ibn Saud's conquests.

In fact there is a saying in KSA, Arabia and the Arab world as a whole (however in particular in Arabia) that every Arab is a king, which alludes to the huge number of dynasties and almost every Arab clan and tribe ruling some city state or territory at one point in history.

To make matters more complicated, centuries prior to Ibn Saud various states ruled by the House of Saud existed, mainly centered around Najd but sometimes incorporating most of Arabia, including areas of modern-day Jordan and Iraq, and they are referred as First and Second Saudi State.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Saudi_Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Diriyah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Nejd

At the same time you had, as I wrote earlier, numerous dynasties ruling distinct regions of what is today KSA.

Among them the longest ruling Muslim dynasty in history and one of the longest ruling in history (Hashemites of Hijaz and the Sharif of Makkah more precisely).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_of_Mecca

So if I go by lineage alone and family history, I should be anti-House of Saud and anti-modern-day KSA but in hindsight the unification/conquests of Ibn Saud was a blessing in disguise as otherwise, as I wrote in the initial post, KSA would have been divided into numerous distinct entities in a already divided Arabia and Arab world.

Think about Pakistan without the Brits. There would be no current-day Pakistan (most likely) and various distinct entities as in the past. Baloch ruling themselves, Pashtuns ruling themselves, Punjabis ruling themselves, Sindhis ruling themselves, Kashmiris ruling themselves and the list is long.

Or the UK where you are right now. England would likely not have been the power it became in the Middle Ages and in particular the past few 3-4 centuries, if not for the British Isles becoming united and ruled from London.

France only became relevant as well when the king (central power) conquered all the existing independent duchies.

Yeh go ahead and celebrate but remember the people of YEmen:-

Photos of some illegal Ethiopian/Horner migrants do not have any impact on me. The misery in Yemen is the fault of the now deceased Ali Abdullah Saleh (that was killed by his "allies") and the Houthi terrorist cult.

Without KSA hosting millions of Yemenis that help keep the Yemeni economy afloat, without billions upon billions of dollars of aid from KSA and economic help throughout the past 2 decades, Yemen would be as bad as Somalia or Afghanistan. Not that it is great currently due to the civil war (initiated by the Houthi terrorist cult). You are clueless about this conflict and Yemen so there is no point discussing this nor has this anything to do with this thread.

I support the role of KSA, the Arab Coalition and the Yemeni government 100% and there is nothing that will change this opinion.

@waz bro, can you delete those off-topic posts that have nothing to do with this thread? Especially disturbing photos like that of illegal migrants in Yemen.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Congratulations to Saudia Arabia. A thought came to my mind. In Pakistan they often shout "Pakistan Ka Matlab? La Illaha Illallah" which translates to something like "the reason why Pakistan was created was Islam".

So I was wondering do they sing songs like "Saudia Arabia Ka Matlab? Ibn Saud" in KSA?. Translated "the reason why Saudia Arabia was created was Ibn Saud".

So basically Ibn Saud created Saudia Arabia. Islam created Pakistan!

 

[khansaheeb]

Only, under a new name, the current one. Previously the country was named the Kingdom of Nejd and Hijaz. Which was incorrect as many other kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates and sheikdoms, that constitute modern-day KSA, were incorporated.

Likewise there were countless of ruling dynasties in what is modern-day KSA before Ibn Saud's conquests.

In fact there is a saying in KSA, Arabia and the Arab world as a whole (however in particular in Arabia) that every Arab is a king, which alludes to the huge number of dynasties and almost every Arab clan and tribe ruling some city state or territory at one point in history.

To make matters more complicated, centuries prior to Ibn Saud various states ruled by the House of Saud existed, mainly centered around Najd but sometimes incorporating most of Arabia, including areas of modern-day Jordan and Iraq, and they are referred as First and Second Saudi State.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Saudi_Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Diriyah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Nejd

At the same time you had, as I wrote earlier, numerous dynasties ruling distinct regions of what is today KSA.

Among them the longest ruling Muslim dynasty in history and one of the longest ruling in history (Hashemites of Hijaz and the Sharif of Makkah more precisely).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_of_Mecca

So if I go by lineage alone and family history, I should be anti-House of Saud and anti-modern-day KSA but in hindsight the unification/conquests of Ibn Saud was a blessing in disguise as otherwise, as I wrote in the initial post, KSA would have been divided into numerous distinct entities in a already divided Arabia and Arab world.

Think about Pakistan without the Brits. There would be no current-day Pakistan (most likely) and various distinct entities as in the past. Baloch ruling themselves, Pashtuns ruling themselves, Punjabis ruling themselves, Sindhis ruling themselves, Kashmiris ruling themselves and the list is long.

Or the UK where you are right now. England would likely not have been the power it became in the Middle Ages and in particular the past few 3-4 centuries, if not for the British Isles becoming united and ruled from London.

France only became relevant as well when the king (central power) conquered all the existing independent duchies.



Photos of some illegal Ethiopian/Horner migrants do not have any impact on me. The misery in Yemen is the fault of the now deceased Ali Abdullah Saleh (that was killed by his "allies") and the Houthi terrorist cult.

Without KSA hosting millions of Yemenis that help keep the Yemeni economy afloat, without billions upon billions of dollars of aid from KSA and economic help throughout the past 2 decades, Yemen would be as bad as Somalia or Afghanistan. Not that it is great currently due to the civil war (initiated by the Houthi terrorist cult). You are clueless about this conflict and Yemen so there is no point discussing this nor has this anything to do with this thread.

I support the role of KSA, the Arab Coalition and the Yemeni government 100% and there is nothing that will change this opinion.

How many prophets did Allah send to guide you to the right path?

May Allah have mercy on you for what you have just said
(which typifies what's happening in Yemen):-

"Photos of some illegal Ethiopian/Horner migrants do not have any impact on me"

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Congratulations to Saudia Arabia. A thought came to my mind. In Pakistan they often shout "Pakistan Ka Matlab? La Illaha Illallah" which translates to something like "the reason why Pakistan was created was Islam".

So I was wondering do they sing songs like "Saudia Arabia Ka Matlab? Ibn Saud" in KSA?. Translated "the reason why Saudia Arabia was created was Ibn Saud".

So basically Ibn Saud created Saudia Arabia. Islam created Pakistan!

Not really.

Arabia (one of the oldest political, civilizational and geographic entities in the world) predates Ibn Saud by millennia upon millennia.

Prior to Ibn Saud the same ancient regions and ancient kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, sheikdoms and imamates existed.

Ibn Saud is the "father" of modern-day KSA as in the political state. The current entity is "made in House of Saud" and shaped by them. Similar to how Ataturk is considered the father of the Turkish nation and Muhammad Ali Jinnah being the Pakistani father figure.

The difference is that both Ibn Saud and Ataturk created their entities on the battlefield while Muhammad Ali Jinnah's work was "on paper" work.

For instance is there a "War of Independence" in Pakistan like in Turkey for instance?

Or a process (military) of unifying what is modern-day Pakistan like in KSA?

Not aware of this personally but my knowledge here is lacking compared to natives.

How many prophets did Allah send to guide you to the right path?

May Allah have mercy on you for what you have just said
(which typifies what's happening in Yemen):-

"Photos of some illegal Ethiopian/Horner migrants do not have any impact on me"

I don't know and don't really care. Some 40.000 if I recall.

I am not a religious nutjob like you to care that much.

Maybe we need you as the new Prophet?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Think about Pakistan without the Brits. There would be no current-day Pakistan (most likely) and various distinct entities as in the past. Baloch ruling themselves, Pashtuns ruling themselves, Punjabis ruling themselves, Sindhis ruling themselves, Kashmiris ruling themselves and the list is long.

Very true. The precursor to Pakistan was NWFP, Punjab, Balochistan, Sindh which of course today are federated as Pakistan. I can see without Ibn Saud the precursor entities like Hijaz, Nejd etc would exist instead of KSA. I suspect you would have had at least four to five countries within yor geography.

Arabia

Arabia is a geographic descriptor like Iberia or Balkans or Scandavia. If you use that argumant I could use Indus Valley as a precursor for modern Pakistan which as you know goes back to 5,000 years plus with sites of stunning proportions in Mehr Garh, Harappa or Mohenjo Daro.

Furthermore Arabia is the peninsula and as a geography is not exclusive to KSA but also covers Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar.

Arabia
[uh-rey-bee-uh]
noun

1. a peninsula in SW Asia, including Saudi Arabia, Yemen Arab Republic, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Kuwait: divided in ancient times into Arabia Deserta, Arabia Petraea, and Arabia Felix. About 1,000,000 sq. mi. (2,600,000 sq. km).

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/arabia

And just to clarify parts of KSA were colonised and existed as vassel or villayets of the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Lincoln]

No one cares, keep your celebrations to yourself. Until you show Islamic values and humanity in Yemen celebrate yourself.

Yeh go ahead and celebrate but remember the people of YEmen:-

It is disgusting of you to attack the National Day of an allied country like that, in fact any country. Are you Moulana Diesel 2.0? Whether or not their decision to go to war in Yemen is correct, save it for a dofferent thread, the National Day is not celebrating war, it's celebrating Saudi Arabia.

Go open a different thread and let a celebratory thread remain celebratory.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Very true. The precursor to Pakistan was NWFP, Punjab, Balochistan, Sindh which of course today are federated as Pakistan. I can see without Ibn Saud the precursor entities like Hijaz, Nejd etc would exist instead of KSA. I suspect you would have had at least four to five countries within yor geography.

Much more in fact.

Around 7-10 in KSA alone. Also the states that you see on that map (not sure how accurate the map is as those Wikipedia maps tend to be fictions often or inaccurate at least) conquered previous entities. The borders were not well-defined either anywhere in the Muslim world back then.

I often compare Arabia with Germany. Since the ancient civilizations of Sumer, Dilmun, Magan in geographic Arabia (contemporaries of the city-state civilization of IVC), Arabia has been home to numerous civilizations and kingdoms, in particularly city-states. During the Incense Trade 3000 + years ago, Arabia in Greek and Roman chronicles is described as a "heaven of city states" scattered across all the main trade routes.

Of course there were also many pre-Islamic civilizations, empires and kingdoms that covered much of Arabia but Arabia was first fully united during the Islamic era (Rashidun) so if anything one could claim Prophet Muhammad (saws) and the first Caliphs as "fathers" of Arabia. At least the Islamic era (past 1400 years).

Ibn Saud as the modern-day father of KSA.

In between that you had many "fathers" depending on the region. In Hijaz, the "father" was the Sharif of Makkah and their 1000 + year long rule (longest in the Muslim world).

In the Pre-Islamic era you have countless of "fathers" as well.

I mean when you look at the world map most countries (99%) are modern-day creations. Be it in the ancient world like the region where KSA and Pakistan is located or the newer one (the two Americas) or Europe.

UK is a fairly recent creation. "Created" by some German ruling dynasty (House of Este/Welf or the Hanoverian dynasty - the name gives it away), France likewise (mostly the work of Louis XIV or Napoleon depending what you prefer), Italy (150 year old entity created by Garribaldi, before that it had many more entities than Arabia despite being 10-15 times smaller), GERMANY (the economic power of Europe and cultural to a large degree) is a 100 year old "invention".

They probably had the most entities (city states in particular) than anywhere in the world compared to geogrpahic size and population.



That is post-Prussian unification/creation of the German Empire. Before that you had 10 times as many entities.

Modern-day Greece is a less than 200 year old creation. The first Saudi State is almost 100 years older.

Iran to (in its current geography) is a fairly recent creation that dates back to the Safavids. Modern-day Spain is older (500+ years old).

Yet no sane educated person is going to claim that the notion of Greece is less than 200 years or the notion of Italy being less than 160 years old or the nation of Germany being only 100 years old.

No differently with Arabia that predates all 3.

Very true. The precursor to Pakistan was NWFP, Punjab, Balochistan, Sindh which of course today are federated as Pakistan. I can see without Ibn Saud the precursor entities like Hijaz, Nejd etc would exist instead of KSA. I suspect you would have had at least four to five countries within yor geography.

Arabia is a geographic descriptor like Iberia or Balkans or Scandavia. If you use that argumant I could use Indus Valley as a precursor for modern Pakistan which as you know goes back to 5,000 years plus with sites of stunning proportions in Mehr Garh, Harappa or Mohenjo Daro.

Furthermore Arabia is the peninsula and as a geography is not exclusive to KSA but also covers Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar.

Arabia
[uh-rey-bee-uh]
noun

1. a peninsula in SW Asia, including Saudi Arabia, Yemen Arab Republic, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Kuwait: divided in ancient times into Arabia Deserta, Arabia Petraea, and Arabia Felix. About 1,000,000 sq. mi. (2,600,000 sq. km).

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/arabia

And just to clarify parts of KSA were colonised and existed as vassel or villayets of the Ottoman Empire.

2/3 of all Ottomans were Arabs. The language (Ottoman Arabic) was more Arabic than Turkish. 2/3's of all lands "controlled" by vassals or directly were Arab. 2/3 of all citizens were Arab. In Arabia "Ottoman" (fellow Arabs in this case) was limited to a few military barracks and installations. The Ottoman dynasty was Arabized to a huge degree and would not have existed if not for the Arabs. In fact Arab-Ottoman wars can be counted on 1 hand or 2 fingers at most as Arabs WELCOMED the Ottomans (mostly fellow Arabs) due to centuries of fighting with savage Mongols, Turkic steppe nomads, Crusaders, attacks of Portuguese etc. In fact the Sharif of Makkah invited the Ottoman Sultan to protect him against the Portuguese who were raiding/attacking Arabia.
The local rulers remained the same, case in point the Sharif of Makkah that was only second to the Sultan in Istanbul.

For instance there is a reason why nobody can name a single Ottoman-Hijazi war. The only time Arabs (not even all but a few prominent tribes of Hijaz but not only) rose up, the Ottoman Empire collapsed within 2 years. That says a lot.

Arabia or modern-day KSA was never ruled (not even 20%) by a foreign entity. The only entity that controlled non-irrelevant landmass (in the wider picture) was the British Empire but that was always marginal by large.

I mean parts of Hijaz were part of the Roman Empire as well over 2000 years ago. Greeks also had a presence, hence why Greek served as the third or second language in Arabia at one point in time after Arabic and Aramaic.

The same Roman Empire and Greeks tried to conquer Arabia (in particular Western and Southern Arabia, Arabia Felix, Happy Arabia in Latin) but to no avail.

Anyway the reason for Arabia's success of not being swallowed up by foreigners is a combination of geography, size, the many entities in Arabia and warlike nature of the people. For instance Arabs played a crucial role in the infantry and military of the Byzantine and Persian Empire and allied Arab entities and kingdoms (Lakhmids and Ghassanids) were guarantors of a status quo and prevented raids from Arabia into both entities.

This is thoroughly described in this informative video below:

It is disgusting of you to attack the National Day of an allied country like that, in fact any country. Are you Moulana Diesel 2.0? Whether or not their decision to go to war in Yemen is correct, save it for a dofferent thread, the National Day is not celebrating war, it's celebrating Saudi Arabia.

Go open a different thread and let a celebratory thread remain celebratory.

It's hard to take that guy seriously as he is completely clueless about Yemen and the civil war there.

Famine (this propaganda attempt has been disproven ages ago, for 3.5 years I have heard about millions of people being at the brink of dying in Yemen and nothing has occurred, UN and other independent organizations claim 10.000 civilian casualties in 3.5 years of war in total) is not an issue in the liberated areas of Yemen (90%). We all know why that is.

I am not interested in discussing that civil war in this thread but all I can say is that the Houthi terrorist cult and allies are the main reason for that topic (famine) even being raised by news. It does not help that the terrorist cult is blowing up aid to the remaining Houthi-controlled areas that derives from KSA either.

How many prophets did Allah send to guide you to the right path?

May Allah have mercy on you for what you have just said
(which typifies what's happening in Yemen):-

"Photos of some illegal Ethiopian/Horner migrants do not have any impact on me"

No, I don't like illegal migrants that are flooding an already struggling and war-torn country. It's not my job to feel sad for them or help them. Arabs have donated billions to the world and what have we got in return from those people? It's time to become more selfish and think about our interests before anything else.

Not only that 1000's of youth went abroad to fight wars of other peoples and what did they and their families get in return other than a stamp that says "terrorist"? Or messing our society up due to a few retarded Mullah's that facilitated/encouraged this? The less we are involved in such endeavors in the future, the better.

I have full trust in MbS in this regard as he has been echoing much of what I have been saying. I should become one of his advisors in fact. Not sure if they need a chemical engineer though.