Saudi Arabia wants to buy 600-800 Leopard tanks from Germany

[Ottoman-Turk]

tf-2000 will be 6000+ton so we can say light destroyer or even destroyer

 

[Mosamania]

I dont really know too much but i know LCS is new design and new technology introduced only few years ago i think



We are getting totally indigenous new ships , Milgem project , Tf-2000 classified as frigate/destroyer , LHD we will get very strong navy , we see some countries classify 1,500 ton ships as destroyers while we class 3,500 ton ships as frigate

Yeah those countries like to fool themselves by these things which is in fact quite funny to the extreme. 1500 tons is a corvette not even a frigate.

The classification of ships is a very touchy matter for example the Japanese classify their 11,000 ton navy ships as "Frigates" to not upset the balance of forces in the region. on the other hand we have people classifying a 1500 ton ship as "Destroyer" which always bring a good laugh in our meetings.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Malaysia did evaluate it, so did saudi, but no order followed lol....saudi instead went for the best, leaving the rest...

Malaysia also operates our anza series SAMs ,our Anti tank BaktarShikan missiles and other weaponary!

And stop making urself like an idiot... although u really are.

 

[Mosamania]

tf-2000 will be 6000+ton so we can say light destroyer or even destroyer

6000+ ton means that they are bordering on destroyers and its classification will depend upon its role it is going to take.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

So, in 2020s, Turkish Navy will look like this:
4+2 TF-2000 AAW-Destroyer/Frigates
16 TF-100/MEKO/OHPs Frigates
8 Milgem Corvettes
22 new Type-214T with Type-209 SSKs
27 FACs

Turkish navy will be a very modern and even stronger force by 2020


Up to 6 AAW Destroyers
Up to 6 ? TF-2000
6000 tons AAW destroyer. Indigenously design derived/enlarged from the TF-100 design. 4 planned (2 others in option, but maybe unlikely due to financial constraint ?, a program of 3 $ billion). Expected to be commissioned round 2018/2022, with probable +/- 30 year of life, to remain in service until 2050.

+/- 16 Destroyers/Frigates (toward fewer but bigger and indigenously ships&#8230
Up to 4 TF-100
Around 2500/3000 tons, Improved/enlarged Milgem corvette, with additional VLS missiles, maybe expected around 2016-2020.

4 Barbaros (Meko 200)
(Barbaros, Orucreis, Salihreis, Kemalreis). 3200 tons, 116 meters. Commissioned by 1995/2000, with probably +/- 30 year of life expected, to be retired around 2025/2030 and replaced by

4 Yavuz (Meko 200)
(Yavuz, Turgutreis, Fatih, Yildirim). 3000 tons, 110 meters. Commissioned by 1987/1989, with probable +/- 30 year of service expected, to be retired by 2017/2019 and directly ? replaced by the four TF-100 ships ?

8 “G” (US O.H.Perry)
(Gaziantep, Giresun, Gemlik, Gelibolu, Gokceada, Gediz, Gokova, Goksu). 4000 tons, 135 meters, Ex-US Frigates (built during 1980’s). Transferred by 1997/2003, upgraded (GENESIS program) by 2007/2001. Likely to remain in service until early 2020’s.

Considering that during this 2010’s decade the U.S. Navy will remove from service more than 25+ O.H. Perry frigates, it is possible ? that the Turkish navy receives additional Perry's FFG.
But now this is unlikely because:
- Turkey wishes to develop its naval shipbuilding industry and build its own warships.
- The Turkish now see Perry’s as old/ageing ships.

+/- 8 Corvette (toward a full renewal)
Up to 8 Ada
(Heybeliada, Buyukada, Burgazada, Kinaliada, Uzunada, others not yet named). 2000 tons, 99 meters.

6 “B”
(Bozcaada, Bodrum, Bandirma, Beykoz, Bartin, Bafra). 1300 tons, 80 meters (Ex-French coastal Avisos A-69). French commissioned by 1976/1979, transferred by 2000/2002 (designed for coastal ASW, very economical and seaworthy design). All must be removed from service during this decade (2010’s) and replaced by 8 Milgem

+/- 14 Submarines
Up to 6 Type 214
(2,9 $ billion (or 2,19 € billion) for 6 newer SSK. Likely to be commissioned by 2015/2019.

4 Gur (Type 209T2/1400)
(Gur, Canakkale, Burakreis, Birinci Inonu). 1500+ tons, 61 meters. Commissioned by 2003/2007, to remain in service until early 2030’s.

4 Preveze (Type 209T1/1400)
(Preveze, Sakarya, 18 Mart, Anafartalar). 1500+ tons, 61 meters. Commissioned by 1994/1999, to remain en service until late 2020’s.

6 Atilay (Type 209/1200)
(Atilay, Saldiray, Batiray, Yildiray, Doganay, Dolunay). 1200 tons, 55+ meters. Commissioned by 1976/1989. Mid-life refit (with AIP) cancelled. The four early Atilay’s SSK will be replaced by future Type 214 SSK by 2015 +. Th last 2 SSK of these class (Doganay, Dolunay) will receive a upgrading systems (new periscopes, ESM, Inertial Navigation Systems) and was expected to last until early 2020’s.

+/- 27 Fast Attack Missile Crafts
Up to 4 newer FAC ?
With the development of the Turkish Shipbuilding Industry (and the age of some FAC), a new generation of Turkish indigenously FAC is likely currently on study, for entry into service by late 2010's. Wait & See

6 Kilic II
(Tufan, Melten, Imbat, Zipkin, Atak, Bora). 550 tons, 62 meters, improved from Kilic I FAC. Commissioned by 2005/2010, to be retired by 2035+.

3 Kilic I
(Kilic, Kalkan, Mizrak). 550 tons, 62 meters (Designed by German shipyard, much enlarged/improved design from Yildiz FAC design). Commissioned by 1998/2000, to be retired around 2030.

2 Yildiz
(Yildiz, Karayel). 430+ tons, 57+ meters (FAC designed by German shipyard, nearly similar to Ruzgar/Dogan FAC class, but with improved sensors/radars). Commissioned by 1997, to be retired by late 2020’s.

4 Ruzgar
(Ruzgar, Poyraz, Girbet, Firtina). 410 tons, 57+ tons (FAC designed by German Shipyard). Commissioned by 1986/1988, progressively ageing FAC, likely to be retired by late 2010’s.

4 Dogan
(Dogan, Marti, Tayfun, Volkan). 430 tons, 58 meters (FAC designed by German Shipyard). Commissioned by 1977/1981. Now ageing FAC crafts, likely to be retired through 2010’s.

8 Kartal
(Denizkusu, Atmaca, Sahin, Kartal, Pelikan, Albatros, Simsek, Kasirga). 200+ tons, 42 meters (FAC derived from the German Zobel FAC design). Commissioned by 1977/1988, ageing/obsolete FAC (can be fitted for minelaying), likely to be retired soon and replaced by some Tuzla ASW crafts ?.

Up to 16 ? Tuzla
(Tuzla, Karaburun, Köyceğiz, Kumkale, Tarsus, Karabiga, Karşıyaka, Tekirdağ, Kaş, Kilimli, Türkeli, others not yet nammed). 400 tons, 55 meters. Indigenous (69%) Turkish ASW coastal/patrol craft. Commissioned by 2011+…

7 Patrol Boats
7 Turk class
(AB-27, 28, 29, 31, 33, 35, 36). 170 tons, 40 meters. Locally built. 12 very similar craft are operated by the Turkish Coast Guard.

+/- 20 Mine-Hunters
6 Aydin
(Alanya, Amasra, Ayvalik, Akcakoca, Anamur, Akcay). 650+ tons, 54+ meters (copy from the German Frankenthal MCM design). Commissioned by 2005/2008, likely to remain in service until late 2030’s.

5 Edincik
(Edincik, Edremit, Enez, Erdek, Erdemli). 500 tons, 50 meters (former French MCM of the Circé class, built by early 1970’s). Transferred by 1998, likely to remain in service until late 2010’s.

4 F class
(Foca, Fethiye, Fatsa, Finike). 235 tons, 34 meters (US Coastal MCM design). Acquired by 1967, likely to be retired during 2010's.

5 S class
(Samsun, Surmene, Silifke, Saros, Sigacik, Sapanca, Sariyer). 370 tons, 43 meters (Ex-US coastal MCM). Transferred during 1960’s-1970’s. Now obsolete MCM, likely to be retired through 2010’s.

3 K Class
(Karamursel, Kerempe, Kilimli). 370 tons, 47 meters (Ex-German coastal MCM). Transferred during 1970’s.

+/- 6 Large/Medium Amphibious
Up to 1 LPD
Approved by late 2006, First major step towards distant deployments.

Up to 2 newer LST
Approved by late 2006, contract signed by may 2011, to be delivered by 2015.

1 Osman Gazi
(Osman Gazi). 3700 tons, 105 meters LST design (can be fitted for minelaying). Commissioned by 1994, to remain in service at least until mid 2020’s.

2 Sarucabey
(Sarucabey, Karamurselbey). 2600 tons, 92 meters LST (can be fitted for minelaying). Commissioned by 1984/1987.

2 Ertugrul
(Ertugrul, Serdar). 5800 tons, 117 meters (Ex-US LST of County class, built during 1950’s). Transferred by 1973/1975, likely to be retired during 2010's and replaced by 2 newer LST currently planned.

+/- 3 dozens of Small Amphibious
Up to 12 newer LCT
Approved by late 2006.

25 C-117 class (LCT)
(C-120, 123, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 132, 133, 134, 135, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150). 600 tons, 57 meters. All built locally.

16 C-302 class (LCM)
(C-305, 308, 312, 313, 314, 316, 319, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 329, 330, 331). 113 tons, 22+ meters LCM design.

up to 3 Replenishment Ships
1 newer Fleet Tanker
Approved
Transports Training Ships

2 Akar
(Akar, Yarbay Kudret Gungor). Up to 19 000 tons, 145 meters. Commissioned by 1987/1997.

Logistic/Transports Ships
2 Meseha (transport)
(Meseha-1, Meseha-2). 38 tons, 16 meters. Commissioned by 1994

2 Albay (oil/water transport)
(Albay Hakki Burak, Yubasi Ihsan Tulunay). 3200 tons, 81 meters. Commissioned by 1999/2000

1 Iskenderun
(Iskenderun). 10 000+ tons, 127 meters. Commissioned by 2002.

+/- 10 Training Ships
2 Rheim
(Sokullu Mehmet Pasa, Cezayirli Gazi Hasan Pasa). 2900 tons, 98 meters (Ex-German logistic ships built during 1960’s, can be fitted for minelaying). Transferred by 1993/1995.

8 Small training crafts
(E-1/8). 97 tons, 28+ meters. Commissioned by 2000.

2 Submarine Rescue Ships
Up to 1 newer Submarine Rescue Ship
Approved, design now completed, Submarine Rescue Mother Ship (MOSHIP)

1 Kurtaran
(Kurtaran). 1700+ tons, 62 meters (converted tug). Commissioned by 1950, likely to be replaced by a newer ship (MOSHIP) during 2010's.

1 Akin
(Akin). 2300 tons, 76 meters. Commissioned by 1970.

Others Auxiliary Ships
1 Isin (salvage ships)
(Isin). 1900+ tons, 65 meters (ex-US salvage ships built during 1940/1950’s). Leased by 1979, transferred by 1987

1 Darica (torpedoes recovery/Firefighting vessel)
(Darica). 750 tons, 41 meters. Commissioned by 1991

+/- 2 Fleet Tugs
Up to 2 newer Rescue/Towing Ships
Approved, design currently under study.

1 Tenace
(Degirmendere). 1500+ tons, 51 meters (ex-French ocean Tug built during 1970’s). Transferred by 1999.

1 Cherokee
(Gazal). 1600+ tons, 62 meters (ex-US ocean tug/submarine salvage ship). Near sister-ship of Kurtaran. Transferred by 1973

3 Survey Ships
2 Cesme class
(Cesme, Candarli). 2500 tons, 87 meters (Ex-US ships built during 1960’s). Transferred by 1999/2001.

1 Cubuklu
(Cubuklu). 640 tons, 40 meters. Commissioned by 1986.


TURKISH COAST GUARDS (+/- 2200)
4 Off-Shore Patrol Vessels
4 Dost
(Dost, Umut, Yasam, Guven). 1700 tons, 88+ meters (derived from the Italian Sirio OPV design, 480 $ millions (380 € million) for 4 ships). Commissioned by 2011/2012.

+/- 64 Mid Shore Patrol Boats
10 SAR 33
(SG-61/70). 180 tons, 34+ meters. Prototype built by Abeking & Rasmussen, rest in Turkey.

4 SAR 35
(SG-71/74). 210 tons, 36+ meters. Enlarged design from SAR 33, built in Turkey.

9 KAAN 29
(SG-101/109). 95 tons, 29 meters. Indigenous Turkey design, first craft commissioned by 2000.

13 KAAN 33
(SG-301/313). 120 tons, 35+ meters (enlarged design from KAAN 29). Indigenous Turkey design. First 4 crafts delivered by 2005/2006, others follow. Few others maybe planned ?

14 SG-80
(SG-80/93). 195 tons, 40+ meters. Indigenous Turkey design, delivered by late 1990’s/early 2000’s.

14 SG-21
(SG-21/34). 180 tons, 40+ meters. Very similar to the Turk class patrol craft operated by the Navy. All built in Turkey.

+/- 41 In Shore Patrol Boats
18 KAAN 15
(SG-1/18). 19 tons, 15+ meters. Indigenous Turkey design, first commissioned by 1998.

3 KAAN 20
(SG-19/21). 21 tons, 22+ meters. Indigenous Turkey design , First craft commissioned by 2006.

12 SG-50
(SG-50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 102, 103). 29 tons, 14+ meters. All built in Turkey.

8 KW 15
(SG-12/19). 70 tons, 28+ meters (ex-German Inshore Patrol Vessels).

Turkish Marines +/- 3000 troops

Naval Aviation
Aicrafts
- Up to 10 ATR-72-500 (ASW).
- 6 CN-235/100M (delivered by 2002) + 3 others (for Turkish Coast Guard, by 2002/2003), (Maritime Patrol Aircrafts).
- 7 TB-20 Trinidad (for training, delivered by 1995).

Helicopters
- 14 S-70B2 Seahawk (First seven delivered by 2002/2003, last seven delivered by 2011). A last groupe of 11 was expected to be delivered soon (for a grand total of 25 helico).
- 14 AB-212 (progressively delivered by 1977/2005, ASW).
- 13 AB-412 EP (delivered by 2002/2009).

meko 200 these look powerfull frigates

 

[Mosamania]

Turkish navy is by far the strongest in the region. I believe the only country in the Middle East that can actually put the bulk of an invasion's work on its navy.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

yes i always , always thought of same doctrine , very strong air force and navy , when your airforce and navy destroys air and navy and keeps control and skies is under your countrol then you can do anything you want to land , destroy their sams , bombard their tanks , but im hoping we get an AC along with helicopter carriers

 

[Mosamania]

yes i always , always thought of same doctrine , very strong air force and navy , when your airforce and navy destroys air and navy and keeps control and skies is under your countrol then you can do anything you want to land , destroy their sams , bombard their tanks , but im hoping we get an AC along with helicopter carriers

Depending on Turkey's interests. ACs are an extension of the country's economy sort to speak. You need ACs if your economy is so big it needs to be protected world wide. Thailand got an AC for prestige and it just sits there doing nothing in the docks and only rarely does it even load AirCrafts in it.

Armies are a means to an end not an end. If Turkey needs to protect its interests in far away lands to safeguard its economy then yes it will need an AC then which is an investment for interest which in return helps Turkey's economy. If not and it only needs to protect its interests and economy in its immediate zone and region then the current military prowess of Turkey will suffice to do that job.

 

[ashok321]

Malaysia also operates our anza series SAMs ,our Anti tank BaktarShikan missiles and other weaponary!

And stop making urself like an idiot... although u really are.

Its all about tanks....
Dont mix apples and oranges to get a face lift.

 

[Axa-]

good to see our allies getting stronger.

 

[opz]

good to see our allies getting stronger.

we too also , when i see how the turkish going strong and building many weapons , this really make us feel gladness for yours , keep going what yours do it now bro​

 

[Mosamania]

we too also , when i see how the turkish going strong and building many weapons , this really make us feel gladness for yours , keep going what yours do it now bro​

We as well. When I see how Turkey is becoming stronger and is building different kinds of weapons, this really make us very proud of you guys. Keep going the way you are going now "bro".


Translation for above text in case you need it

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its all about tanks....
Dont mix apples and oranges to get a face lift.

And india has exported how many? lol

 

[opz]

We as well. When I see how Turkey is becoming stronger and is building different kinds of weapons, this really make us very proud of you guys. Keep going the way you are going now "bro".


Translation for above text in case you need it

hehehe , thanx for ur help

, sorry but some times i write my post in quickly without review and fix anything

 

[ashok321]

And india has exported how many? lol

Its not about india.
Its saudi.
Many among u think saudi should have helped pakistan by buying al-khalid.
But they went for kafir maal anyway, because kafir tech is better - the land of mecca thinks.