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In KSA 1 mega/ hour = 48$ without taxes.

So this is a sign of goodwill and the increasing and cordial ties between the two brotherly and neighboring countries that began after King Salman came to power.

Let us see if this will be a wise move politically given that pro-Mullah entities in Iraq (unfortunately for Iraq and Iraqis) have more power than those corrupt monkeys should ever have. They belong in Hussainiyas and should not be decision makers.
 
That's a clever move by KSA.. let's see how it turns out.
 
That's a clever move by KSA.. let's see how it turns out.

That remains to be seen.

KSA's help has been abused by Muslims in the past. On too many occasions. Many locals are against spending millions outside of the country on countries that are unreliable and where one day they are your friend but the next acting hostile. Nationalism is on the rise. Pan-Islamic beliefs on the decrease. Many formerly pan-Islamists became disillusioned with the situation in the Muslim world and ungratefulness for help provided by KSA. I don't blame them.

Why should billions of dollars be shipped out of the country? Sure, to gain influence, but it does not benefit the locals who have no say in such decisions.

KSA protected tiny Qatar from being swallowed up prior to 1995, long before US presence there, and now that Al-Thani regime is posting anti-KSA propaganda on their Al-Jazeera terrorist outlet 24/7. Those antigovernment Bahraini Shia fanatics, should thank KSA as well otherwise they would have been an Iranian province under the Shah and lived miserable lives like the Ahwazi Arabs in Iran that are living in horrible conditions despite living in the richest region of Iran in terms of resources.

Those Yemenis who criticize KSA for saving Yemen from a 24 year old terrorist cult (Houthi terrorist cult) that has waged several wars against the Yemeni state since 1994, will in 10 years time (if KSA gets out and stops caring about Yemen - donating billions worth of aid, stops hosting the largest Yemeni diaspora, stops all kind of help) will be crying and cursing themselves why they allowed such a cult to control half of the country.

Same thing that nationalistic Lebanese do when they curse themselves for accepting the Hezbollah cult. Before that Lebanon was the little jewel in the region. Today they cannot even deal with their garbage. It's a joke of a country today. But they can bark about their imaginary "resistance axis" joke nonsense until another Israeli bombing raid gets them.

Let's not even talk about the pro-Mullah lot in Iraq. Lost cause. 15 years of miseries should have woken the few remaining zombies up. Better to preach Mullah obedience and collecting money.

WTF are Shia Mullah's doing in politics with their own militias (cults) that act outside of the state? What is this shit? It's a joke.

Combating Mullahism and promoting nationalism (preferably Arab) is the way forward.
 
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That remains to be seen.

KSA's help has been abused by Muslims in the past. On too many occasions. Many locals are against spending millions outside of the country on countries that are unreliable and where one day they are your friend but the next acting hostile. Nationalism is on the rise. Pan-Islamic beliefs on the decrease. Many formerly pan-Islamists became disillusioned with the situation in the Muslim world and ungratefulness for help provided by KSA. I don't blame them.

Why should billions of dollars be shipped out of the country? Sure, to gain influence, but it does not benefit the locals who have no say in such decisions.

KSA protected tiny Qatar from being swallowed up prior to 1995, long before US presence there, and now that Al-Thani regime is posting anti-KSA propaganda on their Al-Jazeera terrorist outlet 24/7. Those antigovernment Bahraini Shia fanatics, should thank KSA as well otherwise they would have been an Iranian province under the Shah and lived miserable lives like the Ahwazi Arabs in Iran.
Well that requires a healthy discussion. Because there has been a perception that help came with strings attached and caused problem for the nations receiving it. However it has not been all negative. KSA has got a lot respect and love in return as well but lately their policies have been seen with suspicion as being intrusive and not constructive in the region.
I believe KSA could have played a better role in fostering pan-Islamism and one way should have been to be more inclusive. However I personally think that KSA gets bad press than its fair share. A lot of help / aid KSA gives never reaches the public rather it is consumed by the elite and thus people are not aware of it. Furthermore, KSA should try to establish relations with the state and not individuals and I think MBS understands this and moving away from it. I hope with passage of time KSA's image will improve.
 
Well that requires a healthy discussion. Because there has been a perception that help came with strings attached and caused problem for the nations receiving it. However it has not been all negative. KSA has got a lot respect and love in return as well but lately their policies have been seen with suspicion as being intrusive and not constructive in the region.
I believe KSA could have played a better role in fostering pan-Islamism and one way should have been to be more inclusive. However I personally think that KSA gets bad press than its fair share. A lot of help / aid KSA gives never reaches the public rather it is consumed by the elite and thus people are not aware of it. Furthermore, KSA should try to establish relations with the state and not individuals and I think MBS understands this and moving away from it. I hope with passage of time KSA's image will improve.

Yes, I am sure when KSA donates 100.000's upon 100.000's of iftar meals and funds hospitals in countries like Somalis where many locals are illiterate or in some desert or mountain village in that country, there are "strings attached".

Sure, but what has this supposed love given the people (locals)? What benefit is gained from this? Would other countries do the same had they been in KSA's position? I am not so sure about that.

Look, KSA (foolishly if you ask me) was a Pan-Islamic bastion in the region alongside Pakistan and a few other during the Cold War and what did we get? Well, King Faisal (otherwise a good leader) imported Syrian and Egyptian MB members who radicalized (mixed MB teachings with Hanbalism) locals and gave rise to the Sahwa movement. At one point in time they dominated all Islamic faculties and their teachings became official. There were no such beliefs prior to this.

Later under (most likely pressure from the US/West) KSA became involved in Afghanistan (a country 1000's of km away) with grave consequences for KSA's society and the rest is history. Same problem in Pakistan btw.

If that is the case, locals should blame their governments. If KSA donates money to Pakistan for example or gives favorable loan rates, and the Pakistani elite does not use the money accordingly, how is that KSA's fault?

I agree with your last points. However I prefer that option rather than creating terrorist proxies like Iran has been doing for 40 years that work PARALLEL to the state.

Speaking about Somalia (just 1 tiny examples out of a huge list of countries):

Saudi Arabian National Campaign for the Relief of Somali People opened an advanced dialysis center in Mogadishu this summer

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Digging wells all over Somalia and distributing iftar meals during Ramadan last year to 45.000 families.

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Rebuilding a hospital in Bardera in the Gedo region, Southern Somalia.

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If that does not help people directly instead of elites, I do not know what does.

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Bahrain’s leading Shia cleric charged with corruption
#BahrainSchism
The charges come as the government controversially looks to take over collection of a Shia tax, known as the fifth

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Bahraini women hold up pictures of senior Bahraini Shia cleric, Sheikh Isa Qassim (AFP)

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MANAMA – The Bahraini government on Saturday charged the country’s leading Shia cleric with misappropriating religious funds gathered from the country’s Shia community.

Sheikh Isa Qassim stands accused of illegal fund-raising and money-laundering and faces up to seven years in jail and a one million Bahraini dinar ($2.6 million) fine if found guilty. The trial is expected to take place next month, government sources said.

The charges, sources told Middle East Eye, are likely to accelerate plans to strip the country’s Shia imams of the right to collect a religious contribution from the faithful, known as the fifth or khums, which could happen as soon as the end of the year.

Authorities claim the money has been going to Iran and have been particularly upset about the funds being used to support Bahraini prisoners arrested on terrorism charges.

Shia clerics strongly deny any wrongdoing, and even before the official charge was made they had called on the faithful to resist any attempts to reform the khums, with opposition social media accounts erupting with allegations of state abuse and treachery.

“Investigations have confirmed that Qassim harnessed the money of poor Shias to finance terror activities in Bahrain and that he sent some of those fundings to Iran,” said a senior government source, who spoke to MEE on condition of anonymity.

“We [the authorities] will be collecting the khums in a transparent way although [I admit that] the process will take time.”

Sheikh Mohsin al-Asfoor, the chairman of the board at the Jafari Endowments - a government-appointed body - confirmed to MEE that he has been approached to personally supervise the collection.

The tax amounts to 20 percent of all excess wealth that has accumulated in the accounts of the faithful for more than a year and is different from the 2.5 percent zakat paid by Sunni Muslims.

Traditionally the khums has been collected by imams. Authorities have not probed the religious contribution, despite widespread crackdowns on the opposition that followed after the 2011 uprising against the royal family.

The controversy first erupted last month, when the Public Prosecution’s chief prosecutor in Manama province, Mohammed al-Maliki, accused Qassim of corruption and said that he had misappropriated funds in the excess of $10 million.

According to the source, the accusations against Qassim link back to three suspicious bank accounts with Bahrain’s Future Bank which authorities moved to close earlier this year over alleged links with Iran.

Particular attention is being paid to large sums that Qassim allegedly paid out to Shia prisoners locked up on terrorism charges, the source said.

On 20 June, five days after the corruption claims were made, Qassim was stripped of his citizenship on national security grounds, prompting tens of thousands of his supporters to take to the streets. The next day, Qassim’s office, known as al-Bayan, was raided by police.

A week later, the government officially said that it was looking into taking over the khums collection. The move came on the back of a string of crackdowns that appear to have taken aim at the island’s Shia majority. In late June, a temporary ban was placed on the country’s main party, al-Wefaq, for allegedly supporting terrorism, and on Sunday the party was officially dissolved by a court in the capital Manama.

Recent weeks have also brought the closure of several prominent Shia-linked charity organisations that have been shut down for breaching the law.

The Shia community, however, vowed to resist.

Sheikh Hassan al-Shatri, one of the most prominent Shia religious clerics in Bahrain, stressed that the government calls to reform the khums were a clear provocation and that citizens would refuse to obey the government.

“It is not acceptable that we have to obtain an approval to perform a religious obligation such as prayers,” Satri’s office told MEE by email. “This violates sectarian privacy.”

Social media users have also widely criticised the move.

Dr Ebrahim al-Alaradi, an exiled Bahraini doctor and activist, tweeted: “That the corrupt person, Mohsin al-Asfoor, wants to take the fifth money, what a joke? There is not a single high Shia scholar who recognises you – you worshiper of sultans #Bahrain

https://twitter.com/EBRAHIM_ALARADI...eligious-leader-charged-corruption-1212082735

Another user, describing themselves as a pro-uprising activist said: “To the thug, and whoever in the regime gave you your position … the people will not grant you their trust over one dinar so how will they do so with their legitimate money (of the fifth).”

https://twitter.com/NAlhadi?ref_src...eligious-leader-charged-corruption-1212082735

Despite the opposition, the government source said that authorities were determined to go ahead with the move and that parliament will now debate whether to permit the Jafari Endowments Directorate to collect the khums.

Asfoor, the directorate’s head, told MEE: “The moneys will be distributed among charities to be given for those in need.

“We do not accept that those sources go to a foreign country,” he added.

But many ordinary Bahrainis say that reforming the khums and accusing Qassim of corruption is the last straw.

Jaffar Mohammed, a baker in al-Duraz Shia village east of the capital Manama, said that his cousin was “accused of participating in terror activities and he has a poor family”.

“We are going to be deprived from such money and starve if the government starts to collect the fifth,” he said.

Om Fatima, a housewife from Sitra, a poor district southeast of Manama, also said she fears that thousands of Shia youths, who have been locked up for protesting, will be stripped of the payments, which would hit their families hard and force elderly relatives to beg on the street.

For now, authorities appear to be standing firm against the criticism and says they are acting in the name of national security.

“No one is above the law,” the senior government source said. “We will ask him to come to court and he will be arrested if he does not show up.”

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...eligious-leader-charged-corruption-1212082735

You think it is different in Pakistan? I believe that the Shia lot there are heavily involved in political disputes in the Middle East, at least judging from online activity and the number of Pakistani Shia mercenaries going to Syria, Iraq etc. "Interestingly" enough the Iranian Mullah's are paying for the party.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...tes-for-combat-in-syria-idUSKBN0TT22S20151210

https://gulfnews.com/news/asia/paki...ns-and-pakistanis-to-fight-in-syria-1.2091140

There is an entire concept called Khums in Arabic that Shias follow (at least many) where 1/5 of their income is given to mostly Shia Mullah clerics and their "organizations".
 
Yes, I am sure when KSA donates 100.000's upon 100.000's of iftar meals and funds hospitals in countries like Somalis where many locals are illiterate or in some desert or mountain village in that country, there are "strings attached".
Illiteracy plays a big role. Furthermore media. You know that there is big class of liberals who loves to make fun of anything related to Islam. They also spread the half truths about Arab/non-Arab hate.
Sure, but what has this supposed love given the people (locals)? What benefit is gained from this? Would other countries do the same had they been in KSA's position? I am not so sure about that.

Look, KSA (foolishly if you ask me) was a Pan-Islamic bastion in the region alongside Pakistan and a few other during the Cold War and what did we get? Well, King Faisal (otherwise a good leader) imported Syrian and Egyptian MB members who radicalized (mixed MB teachings with Hanbalism) locals and gave rise to the Sahwa movement. At one point in time they dominated all Islamic faculties and their teachings became official. There were no such beliefs prior to this.
A few things are very difficult to quantify but goodness does not go in vain.
King Faisal was a good person and that was a time when pan-Islamism was taking a shape as charismatic leaders like Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Moamar Gaddafi, Hafiz-ul-Assad, Suharto, strived to establish stronger and more dynamic relationship. However you know that, all of them were killed one by one...the last being Moammar Gaddafi ..After them, midgets and puppets were imposed who ruined everything.

Later under (most likely pressure from the US/West) KSA became involved in Afghanistan (a country 1000's of km away) with grave consequences for KSA's society and the rest is history. Same problem in Pakistan btw.
Mate, we were taken for a ride by the west and we were told a lot of blatant lies and they exploited the religion as well. USSR had good relations with Pakistan under ZAB and it provided Pakistan many heavy industries which our ally USA or the west never provided. So it was necessary to remove ZAB otherwise they could not use Pakistan against USSR. Similarly, then used KSA for funding and also providing the radicalised people and literature that would pave the way for the so called Jihad against USSR. Later they killed Gen Zia as well so that Pakistan could not prevail and take control of the situation in the region. As soon as Pakistan recuperated and mounted a solution to suppress the civil war in Afghanistan through Taliban who on the whole provided the region stability and a unified govt over 95% of the territory within a short span of time and that did not go well with USA so they staged 9/11 with the help of some idiots from KSA. Again a general brought into power in Pakistan just before US attack on Afghanistan and the dictator was made to bend his knee and the rat complied and as result Pakistan suffered too many losses in terms of human lives and finances and it still continues though we have controlled it to larger extent thanks to Raheel Shareef's able command and forward thinking.

If that is the case, locals should blame their governments. If KSA donates money to Pakistan for example or gives favorable loan rates, and the Pakistani elite does not use the money accordingly, how is that KSA's fault?
The perception in Pakistan is that KSA has radicalised Pakistani society by providing funding to madrassah of certain sects that fuelled extremism and if you read the situation from our point of view, you will find that it is not wrong. Ahle-Hadees / Salaf / Deobandi form the vast majority of the sectarian and extremist organisations and they openly claim being supported by KSA.
I hope MBS can control this and de-radicalise not only his own society but also stop any such funding flowing into Pakistan.

BTW, I'm hopeful that MBS and IK can work together for the betterment of their respective countries resulting in improvement of relations between the two brotherly (this word will cause some problem for me) nations. In fact I see some better leadership in a few leaders like Mahathir, Erdogan, Imran Khan and MBS to take difficult decisions and strengthen their own countries and mutual relations and that is why I'm scared for their lives given the history.
 
Illiteracy plays a big role. Furthermore media. You know that there is big class of liberals who loves to make fun of anything related to Islam. They also spread the half truths about Arab/non-Arab hate.

A few things are very difficult to quantify but goodness does not go in vain.
King Faisal was a good person and that was a time when pan-Islamism was taking a shape as charismatic leaders like Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Moamar Gaddafi, Hafiz-ul-Assad, Suharto, strived to establish stronger and more dynamic relationship. However you know that, all of them were killed one by one...the last being Moammar Gaddafi ..After them, midgets and puppets were imposed who ruined everything.


Mate, we were taken for a ride by the west and we were told a lot of blatant lies and they exploited the religion as well. USSR had good relations with Pakistan under ZAB and it provided Pakistan many heavy industries which our ally USA or the west never provided. So it was necessary to remove ZAB otherwise they could not use Pakistan against USSR. Similarly, then used KSA for funding and also providing the radicalised people and literature that would pave the way for the so called Jihad against USSR. Later they killed Gen Zia as well so that Pakistan could not prevail and take control of the situation in the region. As soon as Pakistan recuperated and mounted a solution to suppress the civil war in Afghanistan through Taliban who on the whole provided the region stability and a unified govt over 95% of the territory within a short span of time and that did not go well with USA so they staged 9/11 with the help of some idiots from KSA. Again a general brought into power in Pakistan just before US attack on Afghanistan and the dictator was made to bend his knee and the rat complied and as result Pakistan suffered too many losses in terms of human lives and finances and it still continues though we have controlled it to larger extent thanks to Raheel Shareef's able command and forward thinking.


The perception in Pakistan is that KSA has radicalised Pakistani society by providing funding to madrassah of certain sects that fuelled extremism and if you read the situation from our point of view, you will find that it is not wrong. Ahle-Hadees / Salaf / Deobandi form the vast majority of the sectarian and extremist organisations and they openly claim being supported by KSA.
I hope MBS can control this and de-radicalise not only his own society but also stop any such funding flowing into Pakistan.

BTW, I'm hopeful that MBS and IK can work together for the betterment of their respective countries resulting in improvement of relations between the two brotherly (this word will cause some problem for me) nations. In fact I see some better leadership in a few leaders like Mahathir, Erdogan, Imran Khan and MBS to take difficult decisions and strengthen their own countries and mutual relations and that is why I'm scared for their lives given the history.

Most Muslims can be easily brainwashed especially in the more poor Muslim countries (majority) where even literacy rates are shockingly bad. Where you have 100's of millions of actual illiterates whose knowledge about the world comes from some Mullah in a local mosque.

Those same Mullah's, when parroting that MbS is a secret Zionist illuminati freemason and other such nonsense, they will believe it blindly. Creating a large group of zombies that do nothing but spread propaganda against KSA and who act hostile while the people (civilians of KSA) are caught in between. At one point having little influence in what their leaders are deciding and doing and on the other hand not wanting to create hostility with fellow Muslims from across the world in a already chaotic and divided Muslim world.

Houari Boumediene as well in Algeria etc.

I am sorry but Hafiz al-Assad (for me at least) was a traitor (supported Iran against a fellow Arab neighbor in Iraq while supposedly a fellow Ba'athi too), betrayed Arab armies in wars against Israel, committed untold massacres and crimes in Syria etc. Gaddafi, while a controversial figure, was better in comparison.

Anyway none of those leaders were perfect either.

My point is that Pan-Islamic goodwill by KSA was taken advantage off by radicals (MB members from Egypt and Syria) that infiltrated and changed our society for the worse and gave rise to the Sahwa period at a time (1960's and early 1970's) when KSA was moving in the right direction and King Faisal was making educational etc. reforms.

That was King Faisal's greatest fault. If we had stayed neutral (the USA/West would probably not have allowed this) we would not have been party of this. A bit like Oman did for instance.

The whole "US created Jihad" in Afghanistan, while legitimate for Afghans, had wide-ranging repercussions in KSA and even more in Pakistan. In KSA it created a "Jihadi culture" where 1000's of volunteers went to Bosnia, Chechnya etc. afterwards and state foundations becoming involved as well. I don't want to see such a repeat again. If wanting to help a Muslim or non-Muslim country it should be done military or economically not by sending young men abroad to become further radicalized later to turn against the state like it happened.

I disagree with this. It's not the fault of KSA if local Mullah's in Pakistan interpreted peaceful teachings in a wrong manner later to create zombies in Pakistan or elsewhere. KSA has supported mosques and Islamic schools across the world and only a few select countries have problems. Why is that? KSA funded the mosque in Gibraltar. Why is there no terrorism there?

Blaming KSA is similar to what Afghans blame Pakistan for which most Pakistanis rightfully object to as it is a simplistic view.

DW English is a German media.

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Darul Uloom Haqqania – Pakistan's oldest and best-known Islamic religious seminary, or madrassa. It's been preaching a hard-line interpretation of Islam since 1947.


The prevailing conservative Islamic movement in Pakistan/South Asia is Deobandism which has nothing to do with KSA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi

KSA society is not radicalized at all. This is common mistake that foreigners belief. KSA is home to all Islamic sects indigenously (almost all originate from KSA) such as Hanbalis, Shafi's, Malikis, Hanafis, Sufis (Sunnis), Shias such as Twelvers, Zaydis and Ismailis and sectarianism in KSA is non-existent. Terrorism too.

Conservatism (Hanbali madhhab which is the dominating one due to a Najdi dominating clergy) does not equal terrorism or extremism.

Yes, let us hope that. Mutually beneficial relations. No piggy bank or people for rent etc. Does not suit either party let alone the people which are the most important thing ALWAYS.
 
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