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Saudi Arabia still offers lot of opportunities for Indians

See @KingMamba ! :disagree:

You're an Arab type thing too; though heaven knows how an Arab ended up looking like Machete's nephew but why don't you knock some sense into him ! :mad:

I lost all hope for any Muslim leader a long time ago. I simply hardly care anymore. I am too disillusioned when looking at the current events in large parts of the Arab and Muslim world. Sad but true.:(

When I get old I will return to Arabia and settle in some mountain village or resort near the ocean and live my remaining days engulfed in books about everything from Islam to science. Hopefully nobody will bother me either.

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faifa 2011
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Oman 09
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Or one of our almost 2000 tropical islands in KSA.

Such as this one;

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فرسان by jazan2013, on Flickr

The desert would not be bad either.

In short I need a break from politics.
 
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I lost all hope for any Muslim leader a long time ago. I simply hardly care anymore. I am too disillusioned when looking at the current events in large parts of the Arab and Muslim world. Sad but true.:(

When I get old I will return to Arabia and settle in some mountain village or resort near the ocean and live my remaining days engulfed in books about everything from Islam to science. Hopefully nobody will bother me either.

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faifa 2011
by al_gasemy, on Flickr


Oman 09
by Toni.P, on Flickr

Or one of our almost 2000 tropical islands in KSA.

Such as this one;

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فرسان by jazan2013, on Flickr

The desert would not be bad either.

In short I need a break from politics.

Thats a lot of greenery; I thought KSA was mostly desserts ! :unsure:
 
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Thats a lot of greenery; I thought KSA was mostly desserts ! :unsure:

Saudi Arabia in Pictures | Page 78

The Arabian Peninsula and Arab world in photos

We got plenty of diversity and almost every landscape possible. Snowy mountains and lowlands in the Winter too and even volcanos.

But sure we got plenty of beautiful deserts as well. Love those too.

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Volcano Madina Saudi Arabia
by Dr. A. Alturaigy د.عبدالله الطريقي, on Flickr

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Alkasser Lake Zulfi Saudi Arabia by Dr. A. Alturaigy د.عبدالله الطريقي, on Flickr

The desert is an incredibly peaceful place. One has to experience it to know about it.

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الوجه الاخر by A.Aziz Hajjaj عبدالعزيز بن حجاج, on Flickr



Nothing like sitting around a bonfire during the afternoon/night in a desert, drinking coffee and telling stories surrounded by people you like. With the chilly wind and temperature as your company. Nor the mornings in the desert were the warm sun is rising and you can feel that a new day has started full of possible new adventure and hopes.

No wonder that we Arabians in general love nature and that our poetry was closely tied to the nature that surrounds us. To this day most of us hate crowded places.

But yes, all the violence, political failures etc. have made me very disillusioned lately. Can't help it.
 
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Its ok because he could not get a Pakistani one because it is Mutually Banned

No such thing. About 5-10 % of all Saudi Arabian nationals (whether male or female) marry foreigners. Mostly fellow Arabs but many Pakistanis as well, Westerners etc. Regardless of the vast majority preferring to marry their own and regardless of some people looking down on marriages with foreigners or non-Arabs.

As I recall it each marriage with a foreigner must get the approval of the minister of interior. The laws were hardly ever liberal on this front.

Foreigners married over 13,000 Saudi women last year | Arab News
 
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No such thing. About 5-10 % of all Saudi Arabian nationals (whether male or female) marry foreigners. Mostly fellow Arabs but many Pakistanis as well, Westerners etc. Regardless of the vast majority preferring to marry their own and regardless of some people looking down on marriages with foreigners or non-Arabs.

As I recall it each marriage with a foreigner must get the approval of the minister of interior. The laws were hardly ever liberal on this front.

Foreigners married over 13,000 Saudi women last year | Arab News

Most of it is due to trial and extended family connections particularly with the Yemenis and with in GCC...the overall number of marriages without family or tribal connections are very small. Whatever be the case I should find myself a girl in Najd!
 
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Most of it is due to trial and extended family connections particularly with the Yemenis and with in GCC...the overall number of marriages without family or tribal connections are very small. Whatever be the case I should find myself a girl in Najd!

In Hijaz it is pretty common to see marriages with foreigners. After all Hijaz is one of the most diverse regions in the Islamic world. You can even see in that link that 8.000 of those foreign marriages took place in the Makkah Region alone. That's only Saudi Arabian women and they mostly marry natives by far.

Well, you forgot neighboring Jordan, Iraq, Egypt and the Levant overall. Speaking about tribal and family ties. With the odd Maghrebi in between.

Good luck with that! You will need it! Najdi women tend to be good looking but I am hearing that the Riyadhi lot are a spoilt bunch nowadays. Go to Ha'il instead. The women there have a good reputation. Conservative or not.

The Najdis do have beautiful traditional dresses though.

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In Hijaz it is pretty common to see marriages with foreigners. After all Hijaz is one of the most diverse regions in the Islamic world. You can even see in that link that 8.000 of those foreign marriages took place in the Makkah Region alone. That's only Saudi Arabian women and they mostly marry natives by far.

Well, you forgot neighboring Jordan, Iraq, Egypt and the Levant overall. Speaking about tribal and family ties. With the odd Maghrebi in between.

Good luck with that! You will need it! Najdi women tend to be good looking but I am hearing that the Riyadhi lot are a spoilt bunch nowadays. Go to Ha'il instead. The women there have a good reputation. Conservative or not.

The Najdis do have beautiful traditional dresses though.

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I am afraid that your best option for a marriage is Muslima.com (LOL) if you do not know any locals that are willing to introduce you to female relatives, friends etc. Especially as a foreigner. Or social media (Facebook, Twitter). Saudi Arabian women are one of the biggest users of social media. I am surprised that at least 1 did not find her way to PDF yet.:lol: We had a Omani @Chai though. Missed but gone.

Speaking Arabic is also a big plus and knowing about the local culture. Be warned if you have the guts to have any real relationship with a local then expect her to want to marry you. Women in the ME are jealous and like old chivalry. Do not expect women like in the West. When they first have caught you then expect talk about marriage and what is connected to that (babies say hello).

If you go on a date then bring the male relative of the female with you (if you are friends he can just be nearby) this way there will be no problem. I am talking about areas where the Muttawa are roaming.:lol: The locals have refined ways to omit them. You know it already probably. They are rather harmless too when not in a bad mood. If "caught" then show visible remorse and appear religious. Promise them to memorize parts of the Qur'an etc. if caught in the "act".

In all seriousness I would advice you to go the traditional Muslim way. There is always UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman etc. next by for such things. Remember that it is KSA and not UAE despite many Saudi Arabians, women included, being liberal by heart in this era and age. Obviously 100 years ago most people in the world and obviously the ME included were conservative. The stereotype of Saudi Arabians being fiercely conservative is a false stereotype (like most stereotypes) which even PDF confirms. Look at Saudi Arabian students abroad for confirmation of that in real life. Not saying that they are "Danes or Swedes" at this front but I could mention many more conservative peoples.

Young people in KSA (which form almost 66% of the population) and the GCC overall have the biggest opportunities of all ME people to visit the world, buy the newest "Western" gadgets, they are the biggest users of social media BY FAR percentage wise, are surrounded by Western gods, fast food chains (lol) and they can afford it all as well. The vast majority are also very positive towards a country like USA (outside of their foreign policy in the Arab world if you ask a significant portion) but there is no hate involved. Let's not forget that Saudi Arabian students in the US and in the West are more numerous than any other foreigners other than Chinese, Indians etc.

This will continue to evolve for each year. So there is no returning. You yourself as a neutral and sometimes anti-Arab have touched upon this yourself so I don't have to add more.
 
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As much as people say Desert is awesome and wonderful I am more of a green world dweller , with trees and animals and life and mild weather

Desert life is not ideal for me good for adventure visit may be but not permenent living

I wonder how the falling Oil prices will effect our friend Saudi's
 
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In Hijaz it is pretty common to see marriages with foreigners. After all Hijaz is one of the most diverse regions in the Islamic world. You can even see in that link that 8.000 of those foreign marriages took place in the Makkah Region alone. That's only Saudi Arabian women and they mostly marry natives by far.

Well, you forgot neighboring Jordan, Iraq, Egypt and the Levant overall. Speaking about tribal and family ties. With the odd Maghrebi in between.

Good luck with that! You will need it! Najdi women tend to be good looking but I am hearing that the Riyadhi lot are a spoilt bunch nowadays. Go to Ha'il instead. The women there have a good reputation. Conservative or not.

The Najdis do have beautiful traditional dresses though.

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I will disagree with you as there are spoiled brats to be found everywhere.
Riyadh, Najd and the Central S.Arabia is not a wild jungle of bearded animals running amock - as it is stereotyped to be. I am afraid I will have to go back and chew some of my posts on PDF about Najdis and Saudis.

Areas like Qassim, Najd, Sudeir, Dowasir, Jenadriyah tend to be very lively with well cultured people and strong traditions. Tribalism has weakened to a degree among the merchant class families and if there is something to be really highlighted that is I find the highest concentration of rational and logical people in Riyadh.

I would actually rate the Hijaz the lowest in terms of education, values, discipline, culture and social fabric when comparing them with Central and Eastern regions. It has a lot of catching up to do particularly in infrastructure, education and discipline.

Another point is conservatism but because the Saudi culture is so monolithic on its outlook, it is difficult to segregate and understand for an outsider.

For example the girls at my office are a bit too over friendly despite the fact that we work in two separate office and they still wear the abaya and face veil. I wouldn't expect an abaya wearing face covering woman so be that friendly in Jeddah. This is the difference between religious conservatism vs cultural one. But it is difficult to detect for an outside because the outlook appears the same for all.
 
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Saudi Arabia continues to be a land of opportunity for Indians. Indians have benefited the most from the amnesty scheme as 1.4 million people got their residency and work status legalised," says Faiz Ahmad Kidwai, Consul-General of India, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

In every adversity, there is an opportunity. Saudi Arabia’s Nitaqat labour and migration reform has led to the deportation of lakhs of illegal migrant workers, but for a sizeable majority this scheme came as a blessing as they used the grace period of six months get their work status legalised.

The amnesty scheme provided a window of opportunity for around 1.4 million Indian migrants who earlier did not have a legal status to work in Saudi Arabia, but now have got their residency and work status legalised during the amnesty period.

Lakhs of expatriates on illegal visas had to be deported as a part of implementing this law. Indians, who form the largest expatriate population in Saudi were amongst the worst hit.

The Nitaqat law introduced by the Saudi Labour Ministry in 2011, makes it mandatory for all private firms to recruit a minimum of 10 per cent Saudi nationals in the private sector companies.

However, the Saudi government has targeted only illegal workers and people on valid visas are welcome to the country. Officials admit that tracking down illegal recruiting agencies and human resource agents remains a huge challenge.

“The middlemen and agents dupe a lot of workers. Strict measures must be taken to weed out such agents,’’ says Faiz Ahmad Kidwai.

The good news is that among all expats, Indians are much preferred for jobs in Saudi Arabia. This move will curb illegal agents who make a quick buck by duping thousands of migrants looking for better opportunities abroad.

India’s Consul General in Jeddah, Faiz Ahmad Kidwai shares his views on Saudi's controversial Nitaqat law and the state of illegal workers in Saudi Arabia.

How is the situation in Saudi Arabia now for Indian workers?

The situation is normal now. The deadline for the amnesty scheme for workers ended November 3. The process of evicting illegal immigrants is still going on but there are hardly any Indians with invalid visas. There are people of other nationalities on illegal visas still in the country.

So the process is on to deport illegal migrants. Indians benefited the most from the amnesty scheme that ended on 3 November as 1.4 million people got their residency and work status legalised.

While 4 lakh people managed to get their job statuses changed, 3 lakh workers managed to get residency permit during the amnesty period and 2.5 lakh workers got the liberty to change their job category.

Why was the nitaqat law mooted in Saudi Arabia?

The basic problem in the Gulf region is unemployment. With a large population of youth unemployed, the government had to take measures to get these young youth employed. There are about 90% expatriates in the private sector.

The government aims to increase this number to 20-25% to solve the unemployment crisis.

The government has graded companies on the basis of local recruitment into blue, green, yellow and red groups. The companies which comply with recruiting most Saudi locals will receive more advantages compared to others.

How did the government crack down in illegal migrants? Will the Saudi/Indian government crack down on these agents instead of just targeting poor immigrants?

After the amnesty was over, officials from the labour, passport departments and police checked documents of people at offices, residences and even public places. They checked visas and residency permit. Those who violated were arrested and if they had no crime record and they were sent to the deportation centres.

The government has not taken any measure to crack down on agents. However, by giving an amnesty period, many workers could get a correction of procedures, like change the sponsor, get the jobs certified or if a worker who is actually an accountant was documented as a driver, he could have it changed.

The middlemen and agents dupe a lot of workers. Strict measures must be taken to weed out such agents. People must take care not to fall in their traps.

What will be the future labour policy of Saudi Arabia. How are the working conditions of people in Saudi Arabia?

Despite the deportation of workers, Saudi Arabia still offers a good opportunity for workers. Indian workers are preferred in Saudi as they work hard and are law abiding citizens.
The working conditions at some places are good while it is bad at some places. We do get complaints but that is from just 3-4% of the workers who live here.

How many Indians work in Saudi Arabia? How many Indians have been deported?

Indians account for the highest expatriate population in Saudi Arabia. The country has 2.75 millions Indians. Around 1.7 lakh Indian workers got deported. However, they can go back to Saudi Arabia on legal visas.

What kind of measures are the Indian government officials taking for the proper rehabilitation of these workers?

The state governments of Kerala and Andhra Pradesh have been very proactive in rehabilitating the workers. The Kerala government has registered the workers who have returned from Saudi Arabia. They are offered jobs or given loans for self employment.

Did illegal migrants put up resistance or feign ignorance of the law? Were there instances of violence against the Nitaqat law?

Many workers volunteered to show their documents. People do understand the laws and the benefits of abiding by rules. So it was much easier for Indians. There were some minor instances but they were not related to illegal visas.

Were there illegal women immigrants like domestic helps who were also deported?

There were families who were staying illegally. People who come to Umrah/Haj visas have overstayed here illegally for years. Over a period, they also had children without any legal documents they faced uncertain times. So all of them were forced to return to India. But there weren’t many women workers from India.

What would be your advice to migrants who is looking for work in Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia still has many opportunities for workers. The deportation too has created many job vacancies so Indians are welcome here. The drive is only against illegal workers.
Workers should make sure they go through the right channel. Many believe that there is a free visa. The free visa is a misnomer. The workers must ensure that the visa they get is from a correct employer for a specific job.

What is the current economic scenario and job prospects in Saudi Arabia?

The economic situation is good. They are many job prospects for locals and expats. With many illegal workers gone, there are many opportunities open up especially in the construction and infrastructure sectors. However, the big challenge for people is to come with proper visas.

What are the measures that the Saudi government is initiating to stem this discontent amongst locals, in terms bringing providing locals more jobs across spectrum?

The Saudi government welcomes expats. Their concern is lack of jobs of their own local people. Their concern is genuine. The local population belongs to this place, they needs jobs too. They are not demanding a huge reservation of jobs for locals. The government seeks to reserve jobs for about 20-25 per cent of locals.
'Saudi Arabia still offers lot of opportunities for Indians' - Rediff.com Business

We value our relation ship with KSA a lot & the future is bright for both of our great nations

The regime should prioritize offering job opportunities for locals

That should be the priority of every regime
On topic both our nations can cooperate on many things,for instance KSA has massive cash reserves & India offers a lot of Investment opportunity from Infrastructure to Manufacturing to Services.Not to forget as India grows so will our energy needs of which a significant part will be met by Saudi Oil & Gas

@al-Hasani 'KSA still offers lot of opportunities for Indians' - Colluding with our Enemies ! :mad:
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